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The Three-Year Window: A PPV Model for Hi-Def?

By Shirley Brady

Three years.

That's how long the executives at In Demand who are overseeing the programming, distribution and marketing strategy for start-up high-definition service INHD estimate they have to make it a success.

With the challenges facing them, they'll be lucky if they last that long, but they're willing to give it their best shot.

During that three-year timeframe, the architects behind INHD's September launch hope to establish a brand and compete with a growing roster of HD networks that includes some of their existing content partners.

That gives In Demand--which faces a shrinking lineup of network content partners, such as TNT, which launches its own HD service next month--a relatively short window to acquire and televise unique-to-HD content from a still-limited pool of production houses and mobile trucks with hi-def capability.

And because upconverting content doesn't cut it with hi-def fans, In Demand also has to pony up to produce original shot-in-HD programming--as they're now starting to do--but with a fraction of Discovery's (or even Mark Cuban's) budget.

Good luck.

INHD and sister net INHD2 see an opportunity in local sports events shot in partnership with regional sports networks. But the nature of those events, which preempt prime time on INHD2, presents tremendous scheduling and marketing challenges.

And let's not forget Cuban, the feisty owner of the Dallas Mavericks and a born marketer, who uses his visibility as an NBA team owner and his personal wealth to champion his rival HD networks.

By the end of INHD's three-year time-frame, more HD converters will be in the field with cable customers and more HDTV sets will be sold, which should lift all early entrants in the hi-def programming space. But the bandwidth needed to increase INHD's distribution and local awareness still will be at a premium for the foreseeable future.

"The challenge is that we have a three-year window, and until that point bandwidth is going to be extremely tight--as tight as it's been in a long time," says In Demand COO Rob Jacobson. "Between now and that time we have to work really hard to establish an identity and a brand and to create an awareness so we have an audience. So at the same time as USA and TNT and E! and other networks are in a position to go HD, hopefully by then we will have developed support and an audience for who we are and what we have."

One problem: Operators aren't ready for hi-def prime time--about 1 million of INHD's 60 million available homes actually have the service today--even though INHD and other hi-def networks are ready.

Another problem: Consumers are still in an early adopter/Best Buy-strolling/AVSForum.com phase, which will continue until CE manufacturer prices plummet sufficiently to drive set sales. Meanwhile, INHD is helping Only Cable Can and other industry initiatives to push hi-def awareness and adoption.

That's why it's critical that INHD complete deals with non-owner MSOs, as it's done with Cablevision and Adelphia. It's a matter of survival.


An Edge in Distribution

In Demand's cable operator owners at Comcast, Cox, Time Warner Cable and Advance Newhouse gave INHD a head start in distribution over its competitors, most notably, Cuban's HDNet.

"Job one for any new network is to get yourself out in front of as many eyeballs as you can, and we're the most widely distributed HD network," says In Demand EVP of marketing Sergei Kuharsky. "

The idea behind launching the channels was to get cable into the high-definition game more quickly.

"We wanted to demonstrate the advantage that cable has in terms of its ability to deliver more in the way of high definition quickly," Jacobson said. "That's why we launched two channels on Sept. 15 and are now contemplating launching a third. The idea is to say, `Only on cable can you get high-definition sports, movies and entertainment,' and that hopefully will go a long way to creating a platform for a sustained differentiation of cable versus satellite."

Although he's eager to license unique HD content for the channels, Jacobson admits it's difficult to find high-quality and affordable programming shot in HD. There won't be much content that's of use to him until HD cameras and editing costs come down and the production community steps up its commitment to the format.

"That's going to change a lot over the next 12 to 18 months," Jacobson adds. "The real challenge that we found is that while we produce a lot of our stuff--we roll a truck to these events and have them produced in hi-def--there's still a very limited number of HD mobile facilities."

The problem, so far, is timing. INHD plans its hi-def shoots 60 days out to get production trucks to where they need to be.

"But when you're trying to shoot hi-def events around a basketball tournament, for instance, the few hi-def trucks are already out on the road, so it's very difficult to book one," he said. "We're still out there beating the bushes to try and find what's available."

As in the early days of cable networks, less content at launch means more repeats. "We try to manage that as best we can," says Jacobson.

He's starting to see more quality hi-def programming coming out of Europe, which launched the Euro 1080 satellite-based HD network in January. "We're trying to get rights that we can trade with them, particularly when there's not much in the way of narration," he says. "When you have picturesque programming with music playing in the background you can certainly play that in Europe and, likewise, they can do stuff and provide that to us."


Playing the Local Sports Card

Because In Demand can't afford to commission original productions shot in HD that even approach the scale of Discovery's $5 million-plus Atlas HD series, it must rely on traditional licensing deals to convert from 35mm film (the best HD transfer procedure) compelling visual content such as IMAX features and archival Olympics footage, in addition to more traditional movie licensing deals with Paramount, Fox and Warner Bros. Its long-standing studio relationships in the pay-per-view arena are being leveraged for INHD, along with titles from Hallmark Entertainment to expand its family-friendly content.

INHD2's most attractive (yet tricky) programming in prime time is with sports from regional sports networks such as NESN or Comcast SportsNet. Fox Sports Net, by comparison, also has deals for local-into-local HD games with Time Warner Cable and Adelphia but doesn't have INHD owners Cox or Comcast on board--yet.

"The local sports card is very attractive to viewers and part of the philosophy of how we set these channels up," says Jacobson. "We programmed the second channel to accommodate those kinds of drop-ins because we recognized the bandwidth strain."

Because those games start in different locations a half-hour apart, INHD2 won't run hourlong programs or two-hour movies from 7 p.m. through 11 p.m. ET because they'd have to be pulled apart locally at one point or another. Instead, the network aims to schedule half-hour starts throughout that block (so viewers can join a program already in progress) and run a longer program at 11 p.m.

To make up for the lack of good HD half-hour programs, this month INHD starts shooting a series of original half-hours with rotating hosts on sports, lifestyle, outdoor and other genres to shore up its prime time and increase the flexibility for local sports. Down the road, Jacobson says operators may want to use INHD2's flexible prime time for some of their own local programming.

As the primary network, INHD is more focused on a "best of cable" approach that puts signature programming from TNT, USA, E!, the Tennis Channel, the Anime Network and College Sports Television, among others, in prime time. INHD will carry three Major League Baseball games a week this season and basketball from NBA TV.

"We'll continue to take that tent-pole programming and establish blocks--and partnerships to promote those blocks--in set times and set dates," says Kuharsky. "We really want to focus on how those marquee events help get us on the map and defined."

That means a potential IMAX-themed night and a family film block--two ideas they are pursuing.

"Because there isn't that much out there, we've had to come up with creative ways to try and develop partnerships to create more programming," says In Demand president Steve Brenner. "That's why we're working with networks and sports leagues and doing more stuff with pay-per-view."

As part of that strategy, last year's Bon Jovi concert was shown in standard def on PPV and 30 days later in hi-def on INHD.


The HD Programming Squeeze

Those sharing arrangements can create co-branding challenges for bigger programmers such as TNT or USA during HD simulcasts. Longer term, INHD's network partners seem likely to take away their hi-def marbles. In addition to the launch of TNT HD next month, Hallmark Channel now is weighing up an HD service, while USA--with which INHD simulcast the Masters golf tournament last week--will be a hi-def cornerstone of NBC's sports and Olympics strategy after the NBC-Universal deal closes next month. In Demand hopes to convince more networks, such as A&E, to present their hi-def programming on INHD before launching rival linear HD services.

"We have our space in the owners' systems, so the trick is to get as omnipresent as we possibly can now, to get our stake in the ground and to continue to improve the programming," Brenner says. "We're not dependent on any one particular network for the bulk of our programming."

Brenner points to a partnership with Comcast's Outdoor Life Network (creator of INHD's hi-def doc, Farther Than the Eye Can See) that will bring a hi-def feed of The Lance Chronicles--showing Lance Armstrong training for this summer's Tour de France--on INHD as a blueprint for other networks.

"[We] are trying to do more together in this space because a lot of the stuff [OLN] wants to license looks great in high definition," he says. "We're trying to come up with ways where we can do some creative partnerships, so they can take it for a period of time and we'll take it for a period of time and we can share in some of the production costs."

The success of the next three years will determine whether In Demand will launch another INHD network, says Jacobson. "At this point I don't see us going beyond a third channel, because for us that hits the basic food groups: entertainment, sports and movies," he says. "The challenge is remaining relevant once more programming services are available in high definition."

The INHD execs also say they aren't concerned about their tight production budget.

"If our programming at some point may not be as compelling because we don't have the budget of, say, a USA or a TNT, I still think there's a lot of relevance that we're going to be able to deliver to cable operators over and above just programming," he continues. "We're a terrific marketing and programming proposition for them today, and three years from now I think the programming will be better."

Those hi-def-defying feats aside, In Demand has no intention of losing focus on its original purpose.

"Our primary business is still pay-per-view and video on demand," says Brenner. "Movie rentals are still over $10 billion a year, and cable has a better way for people to watch that's more convenient, no late fees, you save four trips back and forth to the video store and it's the same viewing experience. So that's the biggest upside for our company and our primary concentration.

"We haven't had any situation where the two would be in conflict," Brenner adds. "The fact that we're able to offer all this stuff on a pay-per-view basis gives us the opportunity to access some programming for INHD which we might not otherwise get. We're trying to take the two pieces of our business and use them together to create something of an even greater strength."
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<<He's starting to see more quality hi-def programming coming out of Europe, which launched the Euro 1080 satellite-based HD network in January. "We're trying to get rights that we can trade with them, particularly when there's not much in the way of narration," he says. "When you have picturesque programming with music playing in the background you can certainly play that in Europe and, likewise, they can do stuff and provide that to us.">>

Looks like Moov has a future. At least short term anyway.

-Chris (Hey Moov, Do you have any jobs available?):)
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They didn't mention Voom at all? I hope the talks are still going well to port these channels to Voom as I really enjoy the programming on InHD1/2. I only keep Comcast around for those two channels and HGTV.
Bruce
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Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
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Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
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similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
"Business Intelligence" is more of an oxymoron than Military Intelligence.
TRG
TRG
Meanwhile, my neighbor 300' away has gigabit fiber, and I'm stuck with copper solutions.
I have gigabit fiber in an underground box on my property. But it's not lit up yet so I'm stuck with copper too. For now anyway.
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similar situation. almost every neighborhood around me has fiber, but our 3 block area. I called AT&T and was like, how hard is it to bring fiber over about 200 feet (I am closest to the folks with fiber and can see it on the poles from my front door); crickets and very frustrating.
Chances are, they told you about how hard and long it would take for them to place that fiber to your area ... Poles needed to be placed and what not ...
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Didn't see a thread like this so I figured why not start one. This is about natural supplements. If you aren't into supplements, fine, but please let those of us who do want to discuss this discuss it.

The first one I wanted to mention has been a real life changer. I'm 62 and still do all of my own install work at my business....also do all the yard work at the house. A few years ago I started noticing that I was losing my range of movement, it was even getting hard to bend over and lace up my boots. Almost got stuck in an attic because I couldn't get turned around once the work was done. Didn't think much of it and figured with age comes stiffness that was only going to get worse as time went on.
It was then that I stumbled across a video which was discussing rotator cuff tears and why they were to prevalent these days. Turns out, the culprit is a simple deficiency in MANGANESE which is key in keeping your tendons flexible. Most anti-biotics strip your body of any manganese it might have had which is why certain anti-biotics, especially those in the Cipro family. I actually knew a man who had two tendons tear while on that stuff.
Went to Amazon and ordered some manganese. Now it took a while, it wasn't instant, but gradually I have regained all of my flexibility. I can bend over and touch my toes while standing with no pain and putting on my boots is no longer a chore.
Pretty cheap too. The bottle I ordered was a 200 ct for under $13. They said to take double the normal dose for the first month because most people are severely lacking, then go to one a day.
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Didn't see a thread like this so I figured why not start one. This is about natural supplements. If you aren't into supplements, fine, but please let those of us who do want to discuss this discuss it.

The first one I wanted to mention has been a real life changer. I'm 62 and still do all of my own install work at my business....also do all the yard work at the house. A few years ago I started noticing that I was losing my range of movement, it was even getting hard to bend over and lace up my boots. Almost got stuck in an attic because I couldn't get turned around once the work was done. Didn't think much of it and figured with age comes stiffness that was only going to get worse as time went on.
It was then that I stumbled across a video which was discussing rotator cuff tears and why they were to prevalent these days. Turns out, the culprit is a simple deficiency in MANGANESE which is key in keeping your tendons flexible. Most anti-biotics strip your body of any manganese it might have had which is why certain anti-biotics, especially those in the Cipro family. I actually knew a man who had two tendons tear while on that stuff.
Went to Amazon and ordered some manganese. Now it took a while, it wasn't instant, but gradually I have regained all of my flexibility. I can bend over and touch my toes while standing with no pain and putting on my boots is no longer a chore.
Pretty cheap too. The bottle I ordered was a 200 ct for under $13. They said to take double the normal dose for the first month because most people are severely lacking, then go to one a day.
Chia Seeds
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Chia Seeds
Kinda the whole idea is to mention something and explain WHY it is something we might want to add to our daily routine.
This is what I got from google. Looks like I'm going to be adding them, thanks

Key Health Benefits
    • Digestive Health: One ounce (28 grams) of chia seeds provides nearly 10 grams of fiber, which promotes regular bowel movements, feeds beneficial gut bacteria, and helps prevent constipation. [1, 2]
    • Heart and Cardiovascular Support: Rich in alpha-linolenic acid (ALA)—an essential plant-based omega-3 fatty acid—chia seeds can help lower blood pressure, reduce triglycerides, and improve cholesterol profiles. [1, 2, 3]
    • Blood Sugar Regulation: The combination of soluble fiber and protein slows down carbohydrate digestion, preventing sharp blood sugar spikes after meals. [1, 2]
    • Weight Management: When soaked in liquid, chia seeds absorb up to 10 to 12 times their weight in water. The resulting gel expands in the stomach, increasing feelings of fullness and curbing appetite. [1, 2, 3]
    • Bone Strength: They contain high levels of calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus, which are vital for maintaining bone density. [1, 2, 3]
    • Antioxidant Protection: Compounds like chlorogenic acid and caffeic acid help fight cellular damage from free radicals and reduce chronic inflammation. [1, 2, 3]
(((Garyd)))
Kinda the whole idea is to mention something and explain WHY it is something we might want to add to our daily routine.
This is what I got from google. Looks like I'm going to be adding them, thanks

Key Health Benefits
    • Digestive Health: One ounce (28 grams) of chia seeds provides nearly 10 grams of fiber, which promotes regular bowel movements, feeds beneficial gut bacteria, and helps prevent constipation. [1, 2]
    • Heart and Cardiovascular Support: Rich in alpha-linolenic acid (ALA)—an essential plant-based omega-3 fatty acid—chia seeds can help lower blood pressure, reduce triglycerides, and improve cholesterol profiles. [1, 2, 3]
    • Blood Sugar Regulation: The combination of soluble fiber and protein slows down carbohydrate digestion, preventing sharp blood sugar spikes after meals. [1, 2]
    • Weight Management: When soaked in liquid, chia seeds absorb up to 10 to 12 times their weight in water. The resulting gel expands in the stomach, increasing feelings of fullness and curbing appetite. [1, 2, 3]
    • Bone Strength: They contain high levels of calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus, which are vital for maintaining bone density. [1, 2, 3]
    • Antioxidant Protection: Compounds like chlorogenic acid and caffeic acid help fight cellular damage from free radicals and reduce chronic inflammation. [1, 2, 3]
Andy it builds your bones if I had used it in my food all my life I would not have the joint issues I have there is 3 types of calcium only the one from real foods build better bones


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if I had used it in my food all my life I would not have the joint issues
I have taken this stuff for years to help my joints. Over 20 yrs ago my shoulder sounded like it had gravel in it when I rotated it. Started taking this and after a few months I had my range of motion back. I mentioned this product to a doctor and told him the results I had and he totally blew it off....said it was just a coincidence. This has no shellfish like most joint supplements.

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I have taken this stuff for years to help my joints. Over 20 yrs ago my shoulder sounded like it had gravel in it when I rotated it. Started taking this and after a few months I had my range of motion back. I mentioned this product to a doctor and told him the results I had and he totally blew it off....said it was just a coincidence. This has no shellfish like most joint supplements.


This would be good for me being I am allergic to shellfish. I have arthritis bad in my right sholder.
dishstaller
This would be good for me being I am allergic to shellfish. I have arthritis bad in my right sholder.
I have tried the pill form and this liquid form and found the liquid to be far superior. It wasn't immediate, my joints slowly improved over time.
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Another supplement I wanted to mention was Luteolin. This has two major benefits
1) it helps improve your memory
2) it has a unique anti-greying affect. Saw a Daily Mail news story about a year ago I guess and they were testing different antioxidants on black mice and found that the ones they gave luteolin to barely greyed at all where the control group greyed normally. Has something to do with this stuff preventing the hair roots from becoming damaged which is one of the causes of going grey.

Now I've been taking this supplement for a long time and at 62 I barely have any grey hairs at all.
If it would only help improve my ability to remember NAMES!!
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Another supplement I wanted to mention was Luteolin. This has two major benefits
1) it helps improve your memory
2) it has a unique anti-greying affect. Saw a Daily Mail news story about a year ago I guess and they were testing different antioxidants on black mice and found that the ones they gave luteolin to barely greyed at all where the control group greyed normally. Has something to do with this stuff preventing the hair roots from becoming damaged which is one of the causes of going grey.

Now I've been taking this supplement for a long time and at 62 I barely have any grey hairs at all.
If it would only help improve my ability to remember NAMES!!
It's too late for me. My hair is all gray.
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Anyone recommend any of the "Brain" supplements to help with memory?
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Night By Night - Steely Dan
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Day By Day - Godspell
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Derk Day - Steve Walsh
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Waiting On A Sunny DAY-Bruce Springsteen
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Day After Day - Badfinger
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ewindowman
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Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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Bruce
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For your viewing pleasure...
comfortably_numb
For your viewing pleasure...

That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
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That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
That's ALL Verizon needs.....more congested towers :mad:
comfortably_numb
That's ALL Verizon needs.....more congested towers :mad:

They don't care... they're milkin' the cow. Buddying up with Elon to provide him an MVNO network will make their investors and shareholders salivate. All of their recent marketing efforts have failed, so this move makes a lot of sense.
fmj77
Mr. Morris is no journalist. That article reads like a political hit job.
NYDutch
That's ok, I'm sure Verizon will be happy to take them.
Yep, they could stick it in with thier other dozen or so MVNO's, including the five they own.
b4pjoe
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harshness
Given that Tubi is one of the hottest FAST services out there, I don't expect it to go anywhere. Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
dishstaller
Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?
That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
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Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
osu1991
Hmmm. Not watching much Prime, but it would be on our Apple TV STB.

You know of any drawbacks using Ultra and Prime?
Prime seems to have a problem passing the DV/HDR metadata to Roku and Apple devices, but no problem with their Fire devices.
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That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm
The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue
HipKat
Shouldn't this thread be in the IPTV forum?
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The ads are boring and repetitive...same ad over and over...bring back 1970s ads..might not be as big an issue
Had a customer come in a couple weeks ago to pay her internet bill. She let me know in no uncertain terms that she did NOT appreciate me running the same ads over and over. I looked at her and waited for her to laugh and say she was just joking.......still waiting for that laugh.
osu1991
Shouldn't this thread be in the IPTV forum?
There is one there too. I would think either is justifiable as they make both the device and provide a streaming program service.

Ramy
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
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Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
rvvaquero
Parity is growing in College Football. Making it even harder to tell who is better than each other.
I agree to a point. The transfer policy is creating parity, but only for the top 20-25 teams. The other 110+ teams in the FBS are just breeding grounds for the bigger schools which have more money and more recruiting appeal.

If a smaller school recruits, trains, and matures a quality player, they can't keep them past their sophomore year because the bigger schools snatch them up. Example: LSU didn't cultivate Sam Leavitt, they just harvested him from other schools. LSU is a top contender, in large part because of Leavitt. Michigan State and Arizona State.................are not. If either of those schools had been able to retain his services, who knows where they would be now.
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
Coach says afternoon game result of SEC "conspiracy". The rivalry game vs. Ala. will kick off in the afternoon at Baton Rouge rather than at night, which head coach Lane Kiffin says is intentional in order to neutralize fan craziness and noise, which is believed to help lead to wins for squads playing at home. "Obviously the SEC wanted to change this year from how it had been to give LSU less advantage, (considering) how well LSU plays at night and how intimidating it is to play here. So I guess when I look at it that way, I'm not surprised."

But he's come up with an ingenious solution. "Go to bed earlier Fri. night, then start your day earlier. Have breakfast earlier. Start drinking earlier. Whatever your routine is, just move it up."

Meantime ads have been running for a "Protect College Sports Act" moving through Congress.
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After a strange reboot last night in the middle of viewing, this morning several more reboots and about a half an hour download.
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Almighty1
Just did the update check manually about an hour ago with Hopper 3 on H713 and Hopper Plus on P15403.
Noticed something new when I clicked on the Update Software, it presented a pop-up as follows:
"Update software 1573
Update later Update now Cancel" with those three buttons which did not exist before.

After updating the H715 - I guess there must be major bugs as both H709 and H714 were skipped.

So here are the issue(s):

Issue #1
It did fix the problem with H713 which was:
"One of the problems I am seeing is that the Available Joey Software section no longer is showing the Android TV versions even after a manual software reset twice and the nightly reboot. Until it does, nether Technician Android TV download and Hopper Plus is able to check, download and update the Android TV software."

This was a major problem with H703.

H710 removed that dependency so H711 and H712 were working without that dependency but H713 brought it back which is fixed in H715 as no P versions or Android TV versions are shown in the Available Joey Software on the main Diagnostics screen.
However, with that said, the TECHNICIAN SETTINGS, Download ATV (Android TV) Files is not working correctly as the Download ATV Files shows:
"Download ATV Files 3000
Download in progress. This operation will be
complete when the files are downloaded

Joey 4 : P554- Failed
Joey 4 : P55403- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P654- Failed
Wireless Joey 4 : P65403- Complete
HopperPlus : P154- Complete
HopperPlus : P15403- Failed

OK"
From what I can tell, each of them goes through the Downloading followed by the Processing stages first before it goes into the Failed or Complete stage. It seemed to be going in a loop earlier as it will start downloading from the first item being the Joey 4 each time before it eventually stopped. This is the first time ever since 2023 that I had ever seen it Failed.

With that said, the dependency appears to still be required for the Hopper Plus to check, download and update the Android TV software as it says Failed, No Target when going to "Device Preferences", About, "Software Update"

Issue #2
Still cannot cast to Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus(Software P15317) with the Hopper Plus "Google Chromecast Built-In" feature" as it shows up as a casting device when the Hopper Plus is online and disappears when the Hopper 3 and Hopper Plus does it's nightly reboots but times out when one tries to cast to it and always shows up as Not available in the Google Home app on Android phone. No one else anywhere on the internet had confirmed whether it is working for them or not. Per brittanygarden in DM on October 16, 2026:
"We've been working with Google on this. We have a fix on the Google side projected for Q4. I know we're in Q4 now, but I will try to get a narrowed down timeline for you."

brittanygarden and Rick Durham

jsmit86 and naptime - If you are able to use H715, does the issue mentioned below still exist?
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