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NYRDiehardfan

Last reply Jun 8, 2006 · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

Advice on upgrading DTV equipment

Hey guys,

I want some of your input on my upgrading to High Def programming.

I currently am a Directv and Patriot Media subscriber in Branchburg, NJ. I have just the basic cable ( No stb) for cable and I have Directv w/ Tivo as well. I am am an avid sports viewer and subscribe to NFL, MLB, and NHL packages. Now my dilema is what to do to upgrade cause I have an interest in high def. Should I upgrade to the h20, cause I am eligible for the HD locals out of NY, or should I get one of the h10's instead? I have heard and read the NUMEROUS complaints about the locals on the h20 as far as the sound delay and picture going out. Is this was others mostly find?

Also, I have some large trees in the backyard and am worried that even thouh I get signal strenght of mostly 90's on my dish, that the 5lnb has to be able to get other signals from other directions as well. This might be a problem as my current dish is pointed at the southern sky, but right right between two large trees where there is an opening. I also am concerned about the future launching of the Directv Sat's and if all of their future HD programming will be on the MPEG4 Sat's. Please note that I also have an OTA antenna mounted on the roof of my house from previous owners that I havent taken down yet. It is disconnected, but it still is up there. And from what I remember of it, it pulled in the local Ny stations very well. ( Im about 42 miles from NYC). It also has a clear view of the Northern Direction where the NY channels are at. (No trees in front of my house and clear view with a slightly down angle of the Horizon.)

I also have not purchased the TV, yet. Im leaning towards the Sony 50a10.

So, I am just looking for input from you experts as far as what direction I should go in. (One more question, If I decide to hook up the antennea, can it be hooked up to the h20 receiver for the OTA Ny locals? I read somewhere that this cause the h20 receivers to reboot all the time.)

Thanks in advance.

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Jimbo

Jun 8, 2006

NYRDiehardfan said:
Hey guys,

I want some of your input on my upgrading to High Def programming.

I currently am a Directv and Patriot Media subscriber in Branchburg, NJ. I have just the basic cable ( No stb) for cable and I have Directv w/ Tivo as well. I am am an avid sports viewer and subscribe to NFL, MLB, and NHL packages. Now my dilema is what to do to upgrade cause I have an interest in high def. Should I upgrade to the h20, cause I am eligible for the HD locals out of NY, or should I get one of the h10's instead? I have heard and read the NUMEROUS complaints about the locals on the h20 as far as the sound delay and picture going out. Is this was others mostly find?

Also, I have some large trees in the backyard and am worried that even thouh I get signal strenght of mostly 90's on my dish, that the 5lnb has to be able to get other signals from other directions as well. This might be a problem as my current dish is pointed at the southern sky, but right right between two large trees where there is an opening. I also am concerned about the future launching of the Directv Sat's and if all of their future HD programming will be on the MPEG4 Sat's. Please note that I also have an OTA antenna mounted on the roof of my house from previous owners that I havent taken down yet. It is disconnected, but it still is up there. And from what I remember of it, it pulled in the local Ny stations very well. ( Im about 42 miles from NYC). It also has a clear view of the Northern Direction where the NY channels are at. (No trees in front of my house and clear view with a slightly down angle of the Horizon.)

I also have not purchased the TV, yet. Im leaning towards the Sony 50a10.

So, I am just looking for input from you experts as far as what direction I should go in. (One more question, If I decide to hook up the antennea, can it be hooked up to the h20 receiver for the OTA Ny locals? I read somewhere that this cause the h20 receivers to reboot all the time.)

Thanks in advance.

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NYRDiehardfan,

Ok, I would definatly go with the H-20, of the receivers you mentioned, (I have the H-10 and like it very well, except for the occasional "Service temperarly unavailable" message I get from time to time, not as often anymore).

The H-20 has a better OTA tuner than the H-10 and is MPEG4 compatable, H-10 only MPEG2.....

I would not worry about getting the locals thru D*, save your money, use your antenna , already up there, UHF/VHF works good, keep it...
D* only covers the big 4 channels, nothing else, PBS, UPN, WB whatever you have available, also no sub channels from D*, you should get all this for free with your antenna.

As for your signal, if you aye in the 90's now, with a 3 LNB set up and you want to go to the 5 LNB, not sure how much of a benifit it will be at this time, in the future it will be, but they will have other dishes out by then, they seem to change them every couple years.

If you do not need the LNB for locals, (you don't), no need for 5 LNB at this time.
If you do decide to go with the 5 LNB they should be able to get a signal regardless, the other 2 sats are only 2* from the ones you are already pointed at.

As for TV's, you budget has a lot to do with it, Personally I stick with SONY, I have a Sony 60" HD LCD (60XBR950) I love it.

See if you can get one with a HD tuner built into the TV.
Advantage, My TV tuner is better than my D* tuner, of course OTA only.

Many people will try to persuade you away from Sony, saying you pay too much...
Too each his own, everyonee has thier own opinions.

In my bedroom I still use my old Sony 27" XBR, that is 16 years old and looks just as good as it did the day I got it.

That is one reason I stick with Sony.

That said, there are a lot of very nice TV's out there and prices are dropping.

As for TV's go with what you like, your eyes are the ones looking at it, make sure it fits you budget and does what you want.

Jimbo

NYRDiehardfan

Jun 8, 2006

Wow. Thank u very much for the well thought out response. Thats what I was hoping for. My only concern is that I have a single LNB now. Will I have a problem going with the 3 LNB or 5 LNB as far a smy sight lines? And is the only difference bewteen the 3lnb and 5 lnb the ablitity to get the locals in High Def? The 3 LNB gets all of the other High Def programming?

And also, what about the issue I read where some h20's have a reboot problem when an OTA antenna is also hooked up to them?

Again, thanks.

Jimbo

Jun 8, 2006

NYRDiehardfan said:
Wow. Thank u very much for the well thought out response. Thats what I was hoping for. My only concern is that I have a single LNB now. Will I have a problem going with the 3 LNB or 5 LNB as far a smy sight lines? And is the only difference bewteen the 3lnb and 5 lnb the ablitity to get the locals in High Def? The 3 LNB gets all of the other High Def programming?

And also, what about the issue I read where some h20's have a reboot problem when an OTA antenna is also hooked up to them?

Again, thanks.

Eventually, it will have to be a 5LNB set up, but not till they actually start broadcasting MPEG4 programming, you can get by with a 3 LNB and pick up all you channels now.
You can get your locals in HD OTA and use the D* receivers and the channel guide will show up with your OTA locals.
Like I mentioned before, If you can go with OTA to get your locals, over the long haul you will be better off, you don't pay anyone, cause they are free .... and you get better picture quality, there is no compression to speak of, compared to D* or DISH.

You guess is as good as mine as to when the MPEG4 broadcasting will start, keep in mind, I doubt that they are going to just throw a switch and say , there, we now work on MPEG4, it will be a slow process to change all channels over ....
It will be quite a while .....

As for going to a 3 LNB set up, I doubt you would have trouble.
Q. Would you be setting it up or is D* seting it up ?
If it's D*, make sure you are there to see how everything is done, make sure it's to your satisfaction.

I have set up 3 LNB's with out any major trouble, it's a case of being patient mostly.
The slightest movement of the dish is a BIG movement out there ...23,000 miles away.

Find your signal then peak, then adjust for your tilt and the other 2 should come in.

Sound quite easy ..... It's not quite that easy, but if everything is level your mast is level, you are on your way.

Paitence is the biggest thing, move the dish in small incriments.

The setting you get from the receiver should be used as a guide, they won't be perfect.

Jimbo

NYRDiehardfan

Jun 8, 2006

Man, again, thanks so much. I am probably goping to use Directv to set it all up cause Im scared of heights and my roof is pretty high. Ha. Id love to do it myself, i just dont feel confident enough.

Getting back to this, if I were to purchase a Sony 50a10 or 42a10, I would assume that they also have an internal tuner already. I wouldnt have to hook it up through the h20, right? In your opinion, whats the main differences bewteen the h20 and the h10 receivers as far as quality HD reception? Ill still be able to get all other HD programmig with the h10? And which h10 reciever is the best, in your opinion?

Jimbo

Jun 8, 2006

NYRDiehardfan said:
Man, again, thanks so much. I am probably goping to use Directv to set it all up cause Im scared of heights and my roof is pretty high. Ha. Id love to do it myself, i just dont feel confident enough.

Getting back to this, if I were to purchase a Sony 50a10 or 42a10, I would assume that they also have an internal tuner already. I wouldnt have to hook it up through the h20, right? In your opinion, whats the main differences bewteen the h20 and the h10 receivers as far as quality HD reception? Ill still be able to get all other HD programmig with the h10? And which h10 reciever is the best, in your opinion?

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Internal tuners analog for sure, I do not see the TV's you listed. Do you know the actual model #'s your refering to ?

I can't imagine it not having a HD tuner built in, but would not want to tell you without making sure. It kinda looked like an older set IF the models I tried to find are correct.

If it has an internal HF tuner, then you would not need to run it into the receiver.
If you are talking about OTA signals (and have a HD tuner in it) then I would bring the antenna into both the TV and the D* receiver, using a splitter. This would give you the most options for your money. My Sony XBR tuner gets more channels than the H-10 picks up.

Remember, NO splitters on the Sat signal feed.
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differences bewteen the h20 and the h10 receivers as far as quality HD reception?

HD quality, None MPEG2 wise.
H-10 is MPEG 2 only, H-20 does MPEG4 also, so in the future, the H-20 will eventually pick up the MPEG4 signal, the H-10 won't.
H-20 is suppose to have a superior OTA tuner in it, there have been a bunch of post quoting that being the case.

As for available programming, they both get the same programming, until MPEG 4 is used.

I have the 10, the 20 wasn't out at the time, both can be used with the 3 LNB dish as well as the 5 LNB dish .... I still use the 3, theres nothing that D* offers yet that I would need the 5 for.

Overall I like my H-10 would also like the H-20, but don't want to start a new 2 yr commitment, at least till the NEW HD DVR comes out, then I will have to consider leasing it, this way if it's not as good as I have hoped, I can give it back, supposivly, a good reason to try the lease program.

Jimbo

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Last reply Today at 12:04 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

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Strega

Yesterday at 2:34 PM

That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 7:02 PM

Strega said:
That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.

Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".

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Almighty1 said:
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".

someone is showing their age

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AZ. said:
someone is showing their age

LOL. It depends if the person saw it during the years when they were actually still available which is 1968 to 1983 meaning the person could be 43-58 years old or they can even be a few years old if they learned to read and write at a young age and actually saw a telephone with that label somewhere recently just like even here in San Francisco, payphone still exist physically in public places but whether they can be used or not is a different issue. It still looks like this even today:

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That was an interesting time in history. I would have older customers come in and ask about phones.....they were terrified that they were going to get into trouble hooking up a second phone without the phone company knowing about it. One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone. I guess younger folks can't conceive of a time when you were limited to the number of phones you could have in your house....and limited to the length of the cord

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AZ. said:
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OTA no working after Update

My OTA is not working anymore. This started after the latest update. I have the OTA dongle with a OTA antenna that I've been using for years. My hopper does not recognize the dongle anymore and when I go to the OTA setting, it has a screen that says to plug a dongle into the USB. I tried unplugging and plugging back, in the same usb port and other ports. The Hopper does not recognize it. Anyone have same issue?

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Did you people having this issue contact Brittany yet? Shes trying to keep track of things and it would be good for you to contact her as maybe she can get this somewhere and get fixed.

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DISH does not hate you guys nor do they want you to buy new USB dongles. I am rather sure they didn't even know this was an issue until they saw it posted.

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bookworm370

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Scott Greczkowski said:
Did you people having this issue contact Brittany yet? Shes trying to keep track of things and it would be good for you to contact her as maybe she can get this somewhere and get fixed.

Now while unofficial, I am hearing this issue wasn't caused by DISH's software team, but was caused by a chipset driver update that seemes to have hosed some older USB devices. If this is indeed the case I can see why DISH didn't know and why they are slow in fixing it as they need the chipset company to fix its drivers and release them to DISH so they can be pushed out to all.

DISH does not hate you guys nor do they want you to buy new USB dongles. I am rather sure they didn't even know this was an issue until they saw it posted.

Again contact Brittany if you are having this issue, so she has your info and hopefully she can do something for you to keep you happy.

Thanks, but until they do, can't Dish just revert to the old driver that worked? Then test the new driver when delivered,d before pushing it again.

But then what does an old CIO know! I've only reamed quite a few buttholes from my people that didn't do that!

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Sep 27, 2026

bookworm370 said:
Thanks, but until they do, can't Dish just revert to the old driver that worked? Then test the new driver when delivered,d before pushing it again.

But then what does an old CIO know! I've only reamed quite a few buttholes from my people that didn't do that!

dish can't revert back to older drivers or updates. although just one reason not to buy the ota dongle!!!

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ppappas

Sep 30, 2026

slow_poke_pete said:
dish can't revert back to older drivers or updates. although just one reason not to buy the ota dongle!!!

They can absolutely put the old driver back if they wanted. This is an embedded software environment in which they have total control. All they have to do if build a new version of firmware with the old OTA driver and test it of course. They just don't want to spend the resources doing so. If they are not going to continue supporting the single tuner adapter, then they have to say so.

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Almighty1

Oct 1, 2026

ppappas said:
They can absolutely put the old driver back if they wanted. This is an embedded software environment in which they have total control. All they have to do if build a new version of firmware with the old OTA driver and test it of course. They just don't want to spend the resources doing so. If they are not going to continue supporting the single tuner adapter, then they have to say so.

Unless of course they didn't keep a copy of the old drivers and can no longer get it. Then there is always the their support for the product is EOL after a x amount of time so it will make the consumer have to buy the current product offering.

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Yesterday at 9:19 PM

Anyone heard any updates on this, I'm still having the issue so thought I'd check in.

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Yesterday at 9:48 PM

Briant73 said:
Anyone heard any updates on this, I'm still having the issue so thought I'd check in.

No updates but if you can get DISH Technical Operations to roll you back to H710 or earlier even though H708 would be best because it also eliminates another problem like in this comment, you will also no longer have the problem as long as you don't update manually or forced to any new version until the problem is fixed as the problem started in H711 and still exist in H712 and H713.

https://www.satelliteguys.us/xen/th...ftware-version-713-is-out.423921/post-5108817

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Yesterday at 9:57 PM

Installed an off-air antenna a couple days ago for a customer who had just cancelled his Dish service. He had a dual off-air adapter and gave it to me. Cool. I'll keep it on the truck....might come in handy. Got to admit I don't watch anything as far as live tv goes anymore. Even if we have severe weather, our local channels will have a live feed on Youtube.

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Yesterday at 11:21 PM

In other news, it was announced that the software fix for the two tin cans and a string will not be forthcoming. A hardware fix is required. However, that fix will let you receive stations from a gazillion miles away.

Truck roll charges may apply. Two year commitment required.

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Last reply Yesterday at 10:37 PM · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info

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Tuesday at 12:03 PM

DEATH TO NEXGEN!

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Tuesday at 12:12 PM

17 years ago the US turned off analog OTA signals in favor of digital broadcasting. Now the push is ATSC 3 "Nextgen TV". But nobody seems to be able to agree on DRM implementation protocols. People don't want to hook their TV up to the internet in order to watch over the air TV. At least I don't. With all the data they collect about your viewing habits the box should be given away at no cost.

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Tuesday at 12:27 PM

Comb your hair.

primestar31

Yesterday at 7:29 PM

navychop said:
DEATH TO NEXGEN!

It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.

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Yesterday at 10:37 PM

I truly hope you are right.

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