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GAP (Gamers Advisory Panel) is an invitation only section on playstation.com. These people are the hardcore of the hardcore PS fans. We beta test a lot of the online parts of PS games, do surveys on what should be included in games being developed, ect. So this blog and the responses completely floored me.
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I'm sorry to say it, but I won't be getting a PS3 this November. I won't be getting one next November, either. The reason I'm not, which is the same reason that every one of my friends is also not, is the $600.
There's a lot of issues that makes the PS3 price a problem for gamers. First, almost all game players from ages 6 to 16 rely on their parents (or Santa) to provide them with a console. I didn't have $300 when the PS2 came out, but it was inexpensive enough for my parents to break down and drive all over town for one. I don't know if I speak for all of middle class gamers and their families, but I can guarantee you that neither my parents nor the parents of any of my friends would invest over half a grand in something they generally see as a waste of their progeny's time. $600 is pushing it even when you're asking for a computer these days, with passable Dell and HP models retailing for around $500 or less. Mom and Dad aren't getting you a game machine that costs more than something that you probably NEED.
Let's step to the next demographic: high school and college students. I'm a member. Here's how my money worries stack up: paying rent, paying tuition, paying for food, paying for my car, paying for books, and paying for gas. You can subtract the college and housing related stuff for high school kids and add dating, music, and drugs (you can probably add these to most college kids, too). Money becomes a real issue when you start to make it yourself, but before you can make enough to support yourself or even pay all of your bills. I definitely don't have an extra $600 lying around. I can bearly scrounge up enough money to pick up a few of the outstanding PS2 titles that have come out this year. It's reasonable to believe that the average college student who is also a gamer is looking at the PS3's price tag and shaking his or her head dejectedly. The kids who can afford it probably have their parents' money to thank, and then we're back to the first argument.
So who will be buying a PS3? Well, gamers in the 21 to 45 group that have steady jobs and can afford such an extravagance. But wait, don't a lot of these people have families or siginificant occupational and social lives? Even when this type of person is a gamer, they're usually beset by little time to play games, a spouse or partner who doesn't approve of gaming, or simply a dwindling interest. When you look at someone who already struggles to fit games into his/her life, something like $600 might make them think about how much time they're actually going to get out of the machine. Is the price going to justify playing for only a few hours a week? None of these people had the time that was so prevalent in their earlier years. I'm willing to bet that a lot (not all, but a lot) of the people who CAN afford a PS3 might not think the investment is worth the time they're going to get out of it.
The $600 has befuddled the money/time balance that characterizes most gamers. As income goes up, free time inevitably goes down. And when you have less time to play, you might not want to spend a ton of money doing so. I'm worried that some of the demographics that Sony is counting on to snap up their console on launch day might actually be more unwilling than the marketing department suspects.
When you compare the functionality of the PS3 with a computer, you might be getting more powerful processing, but you're sure as heck sacrificing the infinite functionality and progarmmibility of a personal computer. I believe the average parent won't spend $600 on a game machine, and let's be honest, that's what the PS3 is. You can tout its Blu-Ray drive, its internet capabilities, its media interactivity, but it is a GAME MACHINE. You won't be paying $660 to watch Spiderman 3 in ridiculously high definition. You'll be paying it to play Metal Gear Solid 4. Or Final Fantasy XIII. And you know what? I can pay $400 and get Nintendo's intriguingly innovative new console with 3 of the launch titles.
The bottom line is, and this is my belief and certainly not a statement of fact, we're not ready for the technology. Blu-Ray isn't needed yet. If Sony had chosen to tone down it's console specs and not tried to have double the power of an Xbox 360, maybe we could have had the high-end model end up around $400. And I most certainly would have bought one then. Honestly Sony, you could have has LESS power than the 360, and I would have stuck with you. I love your huge library of titles, I love your third party support, I love you because of your games. I didn't abandon you when there were fewer jagged polygons popping up on an Xbox. But you've lost me as a PS3 customer this winter, and probably all of next year as well. I really do hope you can stay at the top long enough to drop your console price AND keep your third party support. Good luck this coming year Sony, because you're probably going to need it. The saddest thing is, you never did before.
Even more amazing is about 3/4 of the comments completely agree with him.
Sony is in real trouble with their price point, even with their hardcore fans.
post by dragoon13
I'm sorry to say it, but I won't be getting a PS3 this November. I won't be getting one next November, either. The reason I'm not, which is the same reason that every one of my friends is also not, is the $600.
There's a lot of issues that makes the PS3 price a problem for gamers. First, almost all game players from ages 6 to 16 rely on their parents (or Santa) to provide them with a console. I didn't have $300 when the PS2 came out, but it was inexpensive enough for my parents to break down and drive all over town for one. I don't know if I speak for all of middle class gamers and their families, but I can guarantee you that neither my parents nor the parents of any of my friends would invest over half a grand in something they generally see as a waste of their progeny's time. $600 is pushing it even when you're asking for a computer these days, with passable Dell and HP models retailing for around $500 or less. Mom and Dad aren't getting you a game machine that costs more than something that you probably NEED.
Let's step to the next demographic: high school and college students. I'm a member. Here's how my money worries stack up: paying rent, paying tuition, paying for food, paying for my car, paying for books, and paying for gas. You can subtract the college and housing related stuff for high school kids and add dating, music, and drugs (you can probably add these to most college kids, too). Money becomes a real issue when you start to make it yourself, but before you can make enough to support yourself or even pay all of your bills. I definitely don't have an extra $600 lying around. I can bearly scrounge up enough money to pick up a few of the outstanding PS2 titles that have come out this year. It's reasonable to believe that the average college student who is also a gamer is looking at the PS3's price tag and shaking his or her head dejectedly. The kids who can afford it probably have their parents' money to thank, and then we're back to the first argument.
So who will be buying a PS3? Well, gamers in the 21 to 45 group that have steady jobs and can afford such an extravagance. But wait, don't a lot of these people have families or siginificant occupational and social lives? Even when this type of person is a gamer, they're usually beset by little time to play games, a spouse or partner who doesn't approve of gaming, or simply a dwindling interest. When you look at someone who already struggles to fit games into his/her life, something like $600 might make them think about how much time they're actually going to get out of the machine. Is the price going to justify playing for only a few hours a week? None of these people had the time that was so prevalent in their earlier years. I'm willing to bet that a lot (not all, but a lot) of the people who CAN afford a PS3 might not think the investment is worth the time they're going to get out of it.
The $600 has befuddled the money/time balance that characterizes most gamers. As income goes up, free time inevitably goes down. And when you have less time to play, you might not want to spend a ton of money doing so. I'm worried that some of the demographics that Sony is counting on to snap up their console on launch day might actually be more unwilling than the marketing department suspects.
When you compare the functionality of the PS3 with a computer, you might be getting more powerful processing, but you're sure as heck sacrificing the infinite functionality and progarmmibility of a personal computer. I believe the average parent won't spend $600 on a game machine, and let's be honest, that's what the PS3 is. You can tout its Blu-Ray drive, its internet capabilities, its media interactivity, but it is a GAME MACHINE. You won't be paying $660 to watch Spiderman 3 in ridiculously high definition. You'll be paying it to play Metal Gear Solid 4. Or Final Fantasy XIII. And you know what? I can pay $400 and get Nintendo's intriguingly innovative new console with 3 of the launch titles.
The bottom line is, and this is my belief and certainly not a statement of fact, we're not ready for the technology. Blu-Ray isn't needed yet. If Sony had chosen to tone down it's console specs and not tried to have double the power of an Xbox 360, maybe we could have had the high-end model end up around $400. And I most certainly would have bought one then. Honestly Sony, you could have has LESS power than the 360, and I would have stuck with you. I love your huge library of titles, I love your third party support, I love you because of your games. I didn't abandon you when there were fewer jagged polygons popping up on an Xbox. But you've lost me as a PS3 customer this winter, and probably all of next year as well. I really do hope you can stay at the top long enough to drop your console price AND keep your third party support. Good luck this coming year Sony, because you're probably going to need it. The saddest thing is, you never did before.
Even more amazing is about 3/4 of the comments completely agree with him.
Sony is in real trouble with their price point, even with their hardcore fans.
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one
Was thinking same thing. It should be a good week for sec shorts and roll callThey ought to have fun with this…
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Please post your remote make/model here and any details of your issue. We are looking to collect as many examples as possible. I may reach out to you for your receiver number, but please do not post it here.
If you've already reported this to me, please repost it here so I can track all instances in one thread.
Thanks!
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If you've already reported this to me, please repost it here so I can track all instances in one thread.
Thanks!
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I was having similar issues last night while watching and recording the NLCS game on 148. When I tried resuming the game at one point the screen went blank and I couldn't get my H3 to respond to any remote commands. Eventually the Hopper went to a HD channel but still no remote response. After a while the Hopper went into a re-boot cycle. This happened at least 3 times. I was using an IR universal remote only.
A little frustrating to have the game broken up like that but at least the Brewers won
Yea, I've only been a CIO for the last 30 years!
Trust me, when something important breaks, they get to own it!
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Time for another AWESOME video from Ham Radio 2.0!
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5qI_-JKD8
Direct YouTube Link - The Truth About Cheap CB Radios for Off-Grid Travel
Ham Radio 2.0 Website
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This started a couple months ago. I have 2 H3s on one network, both with 2 EHD identical 3 TB seperately powered so all recordings are accessible by all 4k & J4s (8 of them).
On one H3 (not the main one that controls the MOCA network), after it reboots, it doesn't recognize it has two EHDs plugged into it. Rebooting the EHD by their power source doesn't fix it. Resetting the network doesn't. Software h3 reset doesn't fix it. Rebooting MOCA h3 doesn't fix it but so far, after 3+ cold boots (unplug pwr to H3 with unrecognized EHDs), it finally it figures out they are plugged into it. BUT.... Then when you open a program it only partially shows series and episodes, but instead of showing recordings, it only shows upcoming airings. HELP!!!!
On one H3 (not the main one that controls the MOCA network), after it reboots, it doesn't recognize it has two EHDs plugged into it. Rebooting the EHD by their power source doesn't fix it. Resetting the network doesn't. Software h3 reset doesn't fix it. Rebooting MOCA h3 doesn't fix it but so far, after 3+ cold boots (unplug pwr to H3 with unrecognized EHDs), it finally it figures out they are plugged into it. BUT.... Then when you open a program it only partially shows series and episodes, but instead of showing recordings, it only shows upcoming airings. HELP!!!!
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Thanks JohnGalt1234 - That's interesting. I wonder are the Boot Strap versions different between a Hopper 3 only and a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup as I have the later. I guess when charlesrshell is able to since he has both setups, he can do the test. Unless the bootstrap version is tied to when the specific Hopper 3 is manufactured, in my case, mines is from February 2016 when it was installed.
At least Google Search AI is saying the bootstrap version will never change and unique to each Hopper 3.
This is probably why different people seem to either have the issue or they don't because the bootstrap code could also be tied to the hardware revision and
components other than the internal HD.
At least Google Search AI is saying the bootstrap version will never change and unique to each Hopper 3.
This is probably why different people seem to either have the issue or they don't because the bootstrap code could also be tied to the hardware revision and
components other than the internal HD.
JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?
This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?
This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.
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A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.
Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.
View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k
We've literally got a movie already about this
View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.
View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k
We've literally got a movie already about this
View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
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Oops.
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AI Agent Blamed for Deleting Entire Upcoming Season of TV Show
An AI agent reportedly deleted the entire final cut of the upcoming season of a Swedish reality competition show.
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I was watching some of this guy's stuff and realized some of you may not be familiar. Basically his show is Candid Camera meets a magician. This is a comp of a few of his exploits. I first learned of him when I was out at a meeting in Denver about 10yrs ago. The men I was sitting at the table with started talking about this show and said it was one of the funniest things they had seen. When I got home I started watching it....yes, it is funny.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIU09F8jdwc
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The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
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Additional tabs provide:
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
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Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8
Understanding the TPN Map
Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.
I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Tony as the director.
Would you rather have LaRoche ???Tony as the director.
No. Bring in someone new.
Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...No. Bring in someone new.
Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)
Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.
Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.
It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
