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Let me get this straight. A man (Bushnell) who owns a pizza franchise ( a company that has not done well lately) and got out of the video gaming business because he saw no future in it is someone you want to listen to?
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He started chuck e cheese up as kinda part of atari but it was spun off. he no longer owns it. His startup is Uwink...I think it's mostly those games you might see in bars...
He used to own/live in the Folder house in California...you know Foldgers coffee ? it was that guys house.
Anyway much of the gaming industry works in the razor blade theory. You sell the product at cost or below cost to make up in the other part (games). You do NOT make money selling systems...you make it making the games. Moreover there has to be an established ratio that sony knows of how many of ITS games (not a 3rd party...although they get a fee from it) to sell before it's profitable.
personally I think sony really made ps 3 way too powerful and it's distracting itself from other things. The battery problem with laptops makes me think twice about this...now I'm not saying these things will explode but anyone remember the Texas Instruments 99/4a back in the day? They forgot to have UL look at the wires and the AC adaptor was improperly shielded...yielding potentially LETHAL electrical shocks!!
The only killer app I see on the PS 3 is GTA 4 and that comes out....next year...AND it comes out also on the xbox 360 which is already cheaper now and will most likely be cheaper next year and have more games.
Also to remember is that these newer systems (360, ps 3, wii) are also trying to step up to HDTV...this can be tricky as I don't think everyone will fully be upgraded for a few more years. Hasbro tried something like this with the NEMO back in the mid 80's...it was a VCR based system but when they added up the fact that format wars with beta was still going on and they were about $300 that the market wasn't there...
Let me get this straight. A man (Bushnell) who owns a pizza franchise ( a company that has not done well lately) and got out of the video gaming business because he saw no future in it is someone you want to listen to?
He started chuck e cheese up as kinda part of atari but it was spun off. he no longer owns it. His startup is Uwink...I think it's mostly those games you might see in bars...
He used to own/live in the Folder house in California...you know Foldgers coffee ? it was that guys house.
Anyway much of the gaming industry works in the razor blade theory. You sell the product at cost or below cost to make up in the other part (games). You do NOT make money selling systems...you make it making the games. Moreover there has to be an established ratio that sony knows of how many of ITS games (not a 3rd party...although they get a fee from it) to sell before it's profitable.
personally I think sony really made ps 3 way too powerful and it's distracting itself from other things. The battery problem with laptops makes me think twice about this...now I'm not saying these things will explode but anyone remember the Texas Instruments 99/4a back in the day? They forgot to have UL look at the wires and the AC adaptor was improperly shielded...yielding potentially LETHAL electrical shocks!!
The only killer app I see on the PS 3 is GTA 4 and that comes out....next year...AND it comes out also on the xbox 360 which is already cheaper now and will most likely be cheaper next year and have more games.
Also to remember is that these newer systems (360, ps 3, wii) are also trying to step up to HDTV...this can be tricky as I don't think everyone will fully be upgraded for a few more years. Hasbro tried something like this with the NEMO back in the mid 80's...it was a VCR based system but when they added up the fact that format wars with beta was still going on and they were about $300 that the market wasn't there...
In the seventies Bushnell might of been visonary but not now. Everyone has their opions and that is all it is. Nothing Bushnell says anymore has any affect in the video gaming industry. He is old news.
Thank-you BrianMis for your honesty. If I had the same experiance as you I might feel the same way towards Sony. However, as a boy my first transistor radio was a Sony and I fondly remember listening to the World Series many years on that radio. I owned a Sony tv that lasted over 10 years before I stepped up. The PS1 that I purchased is still working (my son-in-law has it). My PS2 has never given me any problems.
The only bad purchase from Sony is a HDTV I purchased in 2001. Sony tried using their own CRTs and the phosphorus would not stay put. The service shop wanted to change the CRTs over to Panasonic -- and they did -- but I had purchased the Sony from a Specialty Retailier who allowed exchanges for upgrades. I upgraded to a Pioneer 58" Elite DVI HDTV. I have been very happy with that exchange.
Mdovell, your analogy with Texas Instruments does bring up the Sony Battery problems. Sony should of recalled that product as soon as they found out they had a problem and not doing so is costing them plenty of business. However, it does not apply to the PS3. Many reports on the PS3 coming out now say it is quiet, it does what it is supposed to do and it does not melt down. So I think a PS3 purchase does not mean your house is going to burn down or blow up.
Thank-you BrianMis for your honesty. If I had the same experiance as you I might feel the same way towards Sony. However, as a boy my first transistor radio was a Sony and I fondly remember listening to the World Series many years on that radio. I owned a Sony tv that lasted over 10 years before I stepped up. The PS1 that I purchased is still working (my son-in-law has it). My PS2 has never given me any problems.
The only bad purchase from Sony is a HDTV I purchased in 2001. Sony tried using their own CRTs and the phosphorus would not stay put. The service shop wanted to change the CRTs over to Panasonic -- and they did -- but I had purchased the Sony from a Specialty Retailier who allowed exchanges for upgrades. I upgraded to a Pioneer 58" Elite DVI HDTV. I have been very happy with that exchange.
Mdovell, your analogy with Texas Instruments does bring up the Sony Battery problems. Sony should of recalled that product as soon as they found out they had a problem and not doing so is costing them plenty of business. However, it does not apply to the PS3. Many reports on the PS3 coming out now say it is quiet, it does what it is supposed to do and it does not melt down. So I think a PS3 purchase does not mean your house is going to burn down or blow up.
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The only killer app for the 360 is Gears of War and that came out 1 year after launch
He started chuck e cheese up as kinda part of atari but it was spun off. he no longer owns it. His startup is Uwink...I think it's mostly those games you might see in bars...
He used to own/live in the Folder house in California...you know Foldgers coffee ? it was that guys house.
Anyway much of the gaming industry works in the razor blade theory. You sell the product at cost or below cost to make up in the other part (games). You do NOT make money selling systems...you make it making the games. Moreover there has to be an established ratio that sony knows of how many of ITS games (not a 3rd party...although they get a fee from it) to sell before it's profitable.
personally I think sony really made ps 3 way too powerful and it's distracting itself from other things. The battery problem with laptops makes me think twice about this...now I'm not saying these things will explode but anyone remember the Texas Instruments 99/4a back in the day? They forgot to have UL look at the wires and the AC adaptor was improperly shielded...yielding potentially LETHAL electrical shocks!!
The only killer app I see on the PS 3 is GTA 4 and that comes out....next year...AND it comes out also on the xbox 360 which is already cheaper now and will most likely be cheaper next year and have more games.
Also to remember is that these newer systems (360, ps 3, wii) are also trying to step up to HDTV...this can be tricky as I don't think everyone will fully be upgraded for a few more years. Hasbro tried something like this with the NEMO back in the mid 80's...it was a VCR based system but when they added up the fact that format wars with beta was still going on and they were about $300 that the market wasn't there...
The only killer app for the 360 is Gears of War and that came out 1 year after launch
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Take the $499 PS3, add a headset and official PS3 component cables for the people who don't have HDMI inputs on their TVs but want to play games in 1080i. now you are looking at about close to $600 before tax. Nice job in minimizing the point in the lower prices once you challenged everyone who had a 360 and ended up still being lower than the PS3. Apparantly, if you add the headset and component AV cable it will be way more than $57 and more like $117 ($20 for the BT headset IF its compatible and $40 for the component cables.) Again nice job...
I also have had the same experiEnce with Sony products as BrianMIS. From Laptops with many dead pixels, My PS2 which the DVD drive (not to mention the millions of others with dead dvd drives) died and they wanted $100 to fix when you can get a new slim one for $129, my AVR which crackled when you put the volume up more than 25% which they refused to fix because it was 2 days out of warranty. Currently, the only Sony product in my house is my 46" tv which is on its way out to make way for a Samsung 56" 1080p DLP. Apparantly, you have the same experience with your Sony TV as I am having now. Having to mess with the convergence every freakin' day isn't cool!!
So you could also say I don't like Sony and that would be true. I don't like the way they treat the consumers with their arrogance in every market they enter.
In the seventies Bushnell might of been visonary but not now. Everyone has their opions and that is all it is. Nothing Bushnell says anymore has any affect in the video gaming industry. He is old news.
Thank-you BrianMis for your honesty. If I had the same experiance as you I might feel the same way towards Sony. However, as a boy my first transistor radio was a Sony and I fondly remember listening to the World Series many years on that radio. I owned a Sony tv that lasted over 10 years before I stepped up. The PS1 that I purchased is still working (my son-in-law has it). My PS2 has never given me any problems.
The only bad purchase from Sony is a HDTV I purchased in 2001. Sony tried using their own CRTs and the phosphorus would not stay put. The service shop wanted to change the CRTs over to Panasonic -- and they did -- but I had purchased the Sony from a Specialty Retailier who allowed exchanges for upgrades. I upgraded to a Pioneer 58" Elite DVI HDTV. I have been very happy with that exchange.
Mdovell, your analogy with Texas Instruments does bring up the Sony Battery problems. Sony should of recalled that product as soon as they found out they had a problem and not doing so is costing them plenty of business. However, it does not apply to the PS3. Many reports on the PS3 coming out now say it is quiet, it does what it is supposed to do and it does not melt down. So I think a PS3 purchase does not mean your house is going to burn down or blow up.
Take the $499 PS3, add a headset and official PS3 component cables for the people who don't have HDMI inputs on their TVs but want to play games in 1080i. now you are looking at about close to $600 before tax. Nice job in minimizing the point in the lower prices once you challenged everyone who had a 360 and ended up still being lower than the PS3. Apparantly, if you add the headset and component AV cable it will be way more than $57 and more like $117 ($20 for the BT headset IF its compatible and $40 for the component cables.) Again nice job...
I also have had the same experiEnce with Sony products as BrianMIS. From Laptops with many dead pixels, My PS2 which the DVD drive (not to mention the millions of others with dead dvd drives) died and they wanted $100 to fix when you can get a new slim one for $129, my AVR which crackled when you put the volume up more than 25% which they refused to fix because it was 2 days out of warranty. Currently, the only Sony product in my house is my 46" tv which is on its way out to make way for a Samsung 56" 1080p DLP. Apparantly, you have the same experience with your Sony TV as I am having now. Having to mess with the convergence every freakin' day isn't cool!!
So you could also say I don't like Sony and that would be true. I don't like the way they treat the consumers with their arrogance in every market they enter.
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Are you high?
Two sentences above you appeared to be able to READ and seemed like youdid catch the point he *founded* Atari and *designed* games, even if you came back with an even more retarded answer than your average low-briainers...
and now you are brainwashed or what?
Let me get this straight. A man (Bushnell) who owns a pizza franchise ( a company that has not done well lately) and got out of the video gaming business because he saw no future in it is someone you want to listen to?
Are you high?
Two sentences above you appeared to be able to READ and seemed like youdid catch the point he *founded* Atari and *designed* games, even if you came back with an even more retarded answer than your average low-briainers...
and now you are brainwashed or what?
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Forget that and listen to this: I just bought a Samsung 52" LCD 1080p - Fall 2006 lienup - for our main conference room and it's freakin' gorgeous! Best part: it's $4k shipped. Lilfe is good, isn't it?
Forget that and listen to this: I just bought a Samsung 52" LCD 1080p - Fall 2006 lienup - for our main conference room and it's freakin' gorgeous! Best part: it's $4k shipped. Lilfe is good, isn't it?
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Sweet!!! I cant afford that though
I am saving for the Samsung DLP... hell I can't even afford the PS3...lol 
Forget that and listen to this: I just bought a Samsung 52" LCD 1080p - Fall 2006 lienup - for our main conference room and it's freakin' gorgeous! Best part: it's $4k shipped. Lilfe is good, isn't it?
Sweet!!! I cant afford that though
I am saving for the Samsung DLP... hell I can't even afford the PS3...lol
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3 words for him...
Dee Dee Dee.
Are you high?
Two sentences above you appeared to be able to READ and seemed like youdid catch the point he *founded* Atari and *designed* games, even if you came back with an even more retarded answer than your average low-briainers...
and now you are brainwashed or what?
3 words for him...
Dee Dee Dee.
It's like the former chairman of Enron saying Sony doesn't know how to do business 
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Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.
At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade..
. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
The new curated multiview is now live.
While on many of the sports channels and non sports channels there is a multi view option button. It will pull up a side bar with many different multi view options.
While on many of the sports channels and non sports channels there is a multi view option button. It will pull up a side bar with many different multi view options.
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.
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Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.
I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.
edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
As I recall you have the Flex package. Do you sub to multisport? -02 is FS1 and -03 is ESPN. -01 is Fox so you would get that if you sub to locals.Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.
I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.
edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
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Direct YouTube Link - 8 U.S. States Sue OpenAI Over Safety Concerns With Younger Users
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On Tuesday, I recorded the first episodes of the new season's NCIS shows on CBS (Dish provided, not OTA). The new New York series and Origins will both do Auto Skip, but the original, now season 24 does not. What's stranger, when I do a search for NCIS, Origins and New York show the current recording and the next episode it will record, but the original show only shows the current recording and some other channel showing the very first episode of season one. It makes no sense. When I set up the timers, I was able to use search for Origins and New York, but for the original, I had to scroll ahead in the guide until last Tuesday when the show was airing. Then set the timer from there. You can see its timer type is DVR where the other two are Seek. What am I missing?
Thanks!
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I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.
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To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.
For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.
I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.
As I said above, and, FWIW, I run Win11 Pro and Arch on separate 250 GB NVME drives, using F8 to select which I boot to, with a 1TB SSD for storage, accessible to both OSs and a third formatted Nvme I want to use to learn Kali. It was much faster to setup Arch than it was to strip down Windows. Windows still takes much longer to boot.
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Hard getting used to the new younger Gibbs, Mark Harmons son had the right look but I understand he didn't want the role.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
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