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Tom Bombadil
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
EchoStar Communications Corp., operator of the Dish satellite television network, said the National Association of Broadcasters "bullies" customers, as the two entities traded pointed comments in a long-running dispute over EchoStar's offering of local broadcast stations out of market.

The latest round of jabs was sparked Wednesday when EchoStar announced it would provide satellite capacity to programming-services provider National Programming Service LLC.

The NAB said that deal violated a court-ordered injunction that prevents EchoStar from broadcasting what are known as distant networks. The injunction was issued in October as part of a ruling in a nine-year-old legal battle. The law allows satellite customers in underserved, usually rural, markets to get broadcast networks from far away, but prevents, for example, a satellite operator from broadcasting the New York NBC affiliate in Baltimore.

The court ruling also voided a settlement among EchoStar and seven networks and their affiliates -- excluding News Corp.'s Fox.

In response to EchoStar's announcement Wednesday, the association filed a cease and desist order with the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida in Fort Lauderdale, saying, "EchoStar is engaging in the transparent sham of arranging for a third party to do, with enormous technical and other assistance from EchoStar, precisely what the permanent injunction prohibits."

On Friday, EchoStar said the NAB "continues to bully consumers and the courts." The company said the association is led by Fox, Rupert Murdoch's media conglomerate that also controls DirecTV, which operates as a duopoly against EchoStar.

EchoStar said the NAB's "real intention is to deny customers their freedom of choice and leave Fox-owned DirecTV as a monopoly for distant networks."

In October, EchoStar said the court's ruling would affect about 800,000 of its 12.5 million subscribers and that it would provide free over-the-air antennas and "other alternatives" to those left without network programming by the decision.
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Tom Bombadil
Motion seeks to block EchoStar

Broadcasters act in copyright case. They want to squelch a deal the satellite-TV firm has struck to provide distant-network signals.

By Kimberly S. Johnson
Denver Post Staff Writer
DenverPost.com
Article Last Updated:11/30/2006 09:35:06 PM MST

Local broadcasters are trying to block EchoStar Communications' last-ditch efforts to offer relief for 900,000 customers who have lost or will lose distant-network signals on the Dish Network.

The broadcasters have filed a motion to block a deal EchoStar recently struck with National Programming Services LLC, an Indianapolis-based provider of C-band or big-dish satellite services, to deliver local TV signals to its out-of-market customers.

Today is the deadline for EchoStar, a Douglas County-based satellite provider, to shut off distant-network signals to its customers, after a U.S. district court in October ordered the shutoff.

The ruling was the culmination of a seven-year court battle with affiliate ABC, NBC and CBS stations and 25 stations owned by Fox.

"EchoStar demonstrates again its arrogant and flagrant contempt for the rule of law," said Dennis Wharton, a a National Association of Broadcasters spokesman. "We're hopeful the courts recognize this latest stunt for what it is: a serial copyright abuser's refusal to comply with numerous court verdicts and federal statutes that preserve the enduring value of local broadcasting."

EchoStar general counsel David Moskowitz said Thursday that National Programming Services will lease a transponder, or a portion of a satellite, from EchoStar to provide distant-network stations. Customers must order the service directly from NPS and are billed separately.

"We asked the court to confirm that the arrangement with NPS is entirely appropriate," he said. "We're confident it's permitted by law."

NPS approached the nation's second-largest satellite-TV provider a few months ago, but EchoStar wasn't interested because it was focused on a $100 million settlement with broadcasters and lobbying for legislation that would save distant-network signals, Moskowitz said.

The court didn't approve the settlement, however, and Congress isn't immediately expected to consider two bills regarding distant networks. EchoStar said it will meet today's deadline to turn off all distant-network signals.

"Our other legal avenues are pretty much exhausted," said Moskowitz. "At this point, we are getting out of the distant-networks business."

He said EchoStar faced an uphill battle because News Corp., the owner of Fox, and EchoStar's larger competitor, DirecTV, are working to scuttle any congressional action.

EchoStar's distant-network service brought in about $3 million a month in revenue. The company's stock dropped 7 cents Thursday to $36.01.
Tom Bombadil
EchoStar Communications said Friday that it would terminate the delivery of distant ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox signals to 900,000 customers by day's end.

But the broadcasters, angered by the direct-broadcast satellite service's actions, have gone to court accusing EchoStar of crafting a business deal designed to circumvent the court-ordered shutoff.

"Everyone will be turned off today if they haven't been already. We are meeting the deadline," EchoStar director of corporate communications Kathie Gonzalez said Friday.

But two days earlier, EchoStar announced it would lease a satellite transponder to National Programming Service, an Indianapolis-based provider of satellite programming to eight- and 10-foot C-band dish owners for more than 20 years.

NPS said it would begin marketing a package that includes ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox signals to EchoStar customers.

NPS CEO Michael Mountford -- in separate letters to member of Congress and broadcast law offices -- announced his plan to use the satellite capacity to offer distant network signals to EchoStar customers who would be legally eligible to subscribe if they had not been covered by injunction.

"These subscribers will become our customers and be able to regain their network stations in a hassle-free manner," Mountford said in the undated letter to members of Congress.

NPS -- with call-center and back-office staff in place -- is ready to sign up customers immediately, said Chuck Hewitt, an NPS consultant and former president of the Satellite Broadcasting & Communications Association.

One day after the NPS deal was disclosed, TV stations aligned with the Big Four broadcast networks returned to the U.S. judge in Florida who issued the permanent injunction with the Dec. 1 effective date. The stations claimed that the EchoStar-NPS deal was "a transparent sham" to evade the injunction and "an act of contempt."

In a reply, EchoStar explained that NPS was an independent company that agreed in an arms'-length transaction to pay $150,000 per month for the opportunity to provide distant network signals to EchoStar subscribers who got cut off.

NPS' distant signal package, called All American Direct, would not require subscribers to buy any programming from EchoStar, and EchoStar customers would not be automatically converted to the NPS service, EchoStar said.

"It is not a handoff," Hewitt said, adding that NPS would compete in the free market with DirecTV to acquire EchoStar's former distant network subscribers.

Satellite subscribers may buy distant network signals -- programming that originates on stations in other markets, usually New York and Los Angeles -- if they can't use an antenna to receive local stations. The courts slapped EchoStar with an injunction after finding that the company cheated by selling signals to hundreds of thousands of illegal customers.

The central question before U.S. Judge William Dimitrouleas is whether the EchoStar-NPS deal is consistent with the terms of his injunction issued Oct. 20, which applies to "those persons in active concert or participation" with EchoStar.

"EchoStar's scheme with NPS is flatly barred by the permanent injunction," the broadcasters told the court.

EchoStar, in response, argued that the terms of the transponder-lease agreement gave NPS total control over the programming delivered and that NPS wasn't required to provide distant signals.

"A court cannot enjoin the world at large," EchoStar said. "NPS ... is not, and cannot be, bound by the permanent injunction."
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Little Miss Dangerous - Ted Nugent
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Little Miss Can't Be Wrong - Spin Doctors
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Jump Down, Spin Around - Harry Belafonte
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Stop Draggin' My Heart Around - Tom Petty and Stevie Nicks
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This Old HEART Of Mine(Is Weak For You)-The Isley Brothers
iJustine
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It's not even where it folds!
SuperDish_Fan23
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
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Almighty1
That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
AZ.
AZ.
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
someone is showing their age
Almighty1
someone is showing their age
LOL. It depends if the person saw it during the years when they were actually still available which is 1968 to 1983 meaning the person could be 43-58 years old or they can even be a few years old if they learned to read and write at a young age and actually saw a telephone with that label somewhere recently just like even here in San Francisco, payphone still exist physically in public places but whether they can be used or not is a different issue. It still looks like this even today:
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dishstaller
I opened my Radio Shack in Sept 1984 and right about that time they did the whole deregulation thing with the phone companies. I bought TONS of those phones that had been refurbished with a new outer shell. You could throw one of those out of a 3 story high window and it would still work.
That was an interesting time in history. I would have older customers come in and ask about phones.....they were terrified that they were going to get into trouble hooking up a second phone without the phone company knowing about it. One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone. I guess younger folks can't conceive of a time when you were limited to the number of phones you could have in your house....and limited to the length of the cord 🤣
navychop
someone is showing their age

You should hear his stories about when rocks were soft and pterodactyls were the new kid on the block!
dishstaller
One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA0yZ1nrm6M&pp=ygUPd2tycCBwaG9uZSBjb3Bz
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
He was 71 yrs old. One of my favorite songs is Seminole Wind....the violin is killer.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8sh9P3X33w
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FTA4PA
Rest In Peace
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I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song. Rest in peace Mr Anderson.
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Bobby
Rest in peace.
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comfortably_numb
Hope you're out there Swingin', John.
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dishstaller
I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song.
That's one of those songs that hits a little too close to home for me. I like the song but just can't listen to it. It's kinda like that song "Daddy never was the Cadillac kind".....reminds me too much of my Grandfather who died Feb 18, 1995.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
My OTA is not working anymore. This started after the latest update. I have the OTA dongle with a OTA antenna that I've been using for years. My hopper does not recognize the dongle anymore and when I go to the OTA setting, it has a screen that says to plug a dongle into the USB. I tried unplugging and plugging back, in the same usb port and other ports. The Hopper does not recognize it. Anyone have same issue?
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Scott Greczkowski
Did you people having this issue contact Brittany yet? Shes trying to keep track of things and it would be good for you to contact her as maybe she can get this somewhere and get fixed.

Now while unofficial, I am hearing this issue wasn't caused by DISH's software team, but was caused by a chipset driver update that seemes to have hosed some older USB devices. If this is indeed the case I can see why DISH didn't know and why they are slow in fixing it as they need the chipset company to fix its drivers and release them to DISH so they can be pushed out to all.

DISH does not hate you guys nor do they want you to buy new USB dongles. I am rather sure they didn't even know this was an issue until they saw it posted.

Again contact Brittany if you are having this issue, so she has your info and hopefully she can do something for you to keep you happy. :)
bookworm370
Did you people having this issue contact Brittany yet? Shes trying to keep track of things and it would be good for you to contact her as maybe she can get this somewhere and get fixed.

Now while unofficial, I am hearing this issue wasn't caused by DISH's software team, but was caused by a chipset driver update that seemes to have hosed some older USB devices. If this is indeed the case I can see why DISH didn't know and why they are slow in fixing it as they need the chipset company to fix its drivers and release them to DISH so they can be pushed out to all.

DISH does not hate you guys nor do they want you to buy new USB dongles. I am rather sure they didn't even know this was an issue until they saw it posted.

Again contact Brittany if you are having this issue, so she has your info and hopefully she can do something for you to keep you happy. :)
Thanks, but until they do, can't Dish just revert to the old driver that worked? Then test the new driver when delivered,d before pushing it again.

But then what does an old CIO know! I've only reamed quite a few buttholes from my people that didn't do that! ;)
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Thanks, but until they do, can't Dish just revert to the old driver that worked? Then test the new driver when delivered,d before pushing it again.

But then what does an old CIO know! I've only reamed quite a few buttholes from my people that didn't do that! ;)
dish can't revert back to older drivers or updates. although just one reason not to buy the ota dongle!!!
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dish can't revert back to older drivers or updates. although just one reason not to buy the ota dongle!!!
They can absolutely put the old driver back if they wanted. This is an embedded software environment in which they have total control. All they have to do if build a new version of firmware with the old OTA driver and test it of course. They just don't want to spend the resources doing so. If they are not going to continue supporting the single tuner adapter, then they have to say so.
Almighty1
They can absolutely put the old driver back if they wanted. This is an embedded software environment in which they have total control. All they have to do if build a new version of firmware with the old OTA driver and test it of course. They just don't want to spend the resources doing so. If they are not going to continue supporting the single tuner adapter, then they have to say so.
Unless of course they didn't keep a copy of the old drivers and can no longer get it. Then there is always the their support for the product is EOL after a x amount of time so it will make the consumer have to buy the current product offering.
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Anyone heard any updates on this, I'm still having the issue so thought I'd check in.
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Almighty1
Anyone heard any updates on this, I'm still having the issue so thought I'd check in.
No updates but if you can get DISH Technical Operations to roll you back to H710 or earlier even though H708 would be best because it also eliminates another problem like in this comment, you will also no longer have the problem as long as you don't update manually or forced to any new version until the problem is fixed as the problem started in H711 and still exist in H712 and H713.
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dishstaller
Installed an off-air antenna a couple days ago for a customer who had just cancelled his Dish service. He had a dual off-air adapter and gave it to me. Cool. I'll keep it on the truck....might come in handy. Got to admit I don't watch anything as far as live tv goes anymore. Even if we have severe weather, our local channels will have a live feed on Youtube.
navychop
In other news, it was announced that the software fix for the two tin cans and a string will not be forthcoming. A hardware fix is required. However, that fix will let you receive stations from a gazillion miles away.

Truck roll charges may apply. Two year commitment required.
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Last reply · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info
Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.
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navychop
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
TRG
TRG
17 years ago the US turned off analog OTA signals in favor of digital broadcasting. Now the push is ATSC 3 "Nextgen TV". But nobody seems to be able to agree on DRM implementation protocols. People don't want to hook their TV up to the internet in order to watch over the air TV. At least I don't. With all the data they collect about your viewing habits the box should be given away at no cost.
navychop
Comb your hair.
primestar31
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
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I truly hope you are right.
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