thanks smitywhity,,,you are full of info and that is great,,,wow that is a steep price,they are on flea bay for about 60.00 - ??.?? also i heard some people using them without the inserter,,how can that happen,,voltage from the ird??also would a regular rg6 coax work without the extended stingers,,i dont own a crimping/compression tool and really dont want to own one for a 1 time thing,,,let me know your thoughts and thanks Chris