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Last reply Mar 27, 2007 · posted in The HD DVD / Blu-ray WAR ZONE!

Why HD DVD has the edge in the format war

As an HD DVD owner, I have found myself at times questioning the long-term viability of this platform. After all, Blue Ray has more studios on board, has all of those PS3s, and appears to have stronger retail support. So, how can HD DVD survive and perhaps even win this format war?

It is interesting to see the debates in this and other A/V type forums because everyone is emphasizing what is important to them as videophiles. But videophiles will not determine the winner of the format war -- Joe and Jane consumer will. And here is a list of things that are not that important to Joe and Jane:

1. The HD DVD and Blue Ray release schedule - The important thing to remember here is that HD DVD and Blue Ray are backwards compatible. So, you can watch any dvd you want with either format. An HD DVD buyer can watch an SD version of Casino Royale and a Blue Ray buyer can watch an SD version of the Departed. This matters to us videophiles but is not nearly as important to Joe and Jane. My wife is a good example. She can't tell much of a difference between HD DVD and SD DVD -- both look really good to her. So, as long as both formats have a decent number of high def releases, both are pretty much comparable to the typical consumer.
2. PS3 versus Xbox 360s - Certainly this is important early on in the format war but in the long-run what is important is the mass market for high def DVD players. And once there is a mass market for stand alone high def players, the PS3s and XBox360s will not be needed for playing high def DVDs.
3. Studio and retail supoort - This certainly matters to the typical consumer but studios and retailers will quickly jump on the bandwagon of whatever is selling. Their support can be rather fickle.

So, what matters to the typical consumer? Two things: (1) value and (2) ease of use. Basically, the typical consumer wants a high def player that is under $200 and works like their current dvd player. My wife can't stand the HD-A1 because it is so quirky especially when it comes to playing rented HD DVDs. But the HD-A2 is much more user-friendly.

The point is that what is vital in the format war in the long-term is the ability to provide a value-priced high def player that is easy to use. And this is what gives HD DVD the advantage -- its cost and price advantage is vital. Within 1 to 2 years (and perhaps sooner), there will be HD DVD players that are at or around $200 and that work about as well as current DVD players. At that point, the mass market will start diving in and the studios and retailers will follow. This, IMHO, gives HD DVD a clear edge in the format war.

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navychop

Mar 27, 2007

I have watched the "root kit" company come to the party late, and with an inferior product. I watched them push single layer BDs with less than pristine PQ, using an inferior codec. I watched the first Blu-ray player deliver "soft" images due to poor decisions made in design, and a lack of product review before release. I watched as HD-DVD incorporated interactivity from the beginning, and Blu-ray isn't there yet. I watched them put products on the market with no ethernet connection to simplify firmware updates and allow extra features. I watched as their most cost effective player was a game console. I watched as they announced that new features would be mandatory as of 10/31/07, with no assurance current players could be retrofitted with the new features and full compatibility. Indeed, some authors doubt that these new features can be done in software alone with no additional hardware.

And yet Blu-ray still outsells HD-DVD by over two (some say three) to one.

Why? Greater capacity? Maybe that's part of it. Better marketing? That's probably part of it- but think how much more logical to the casual buyer the term "HD-DVD" is, compared to "Blu-ray." Blue what? What's that? But an HD version of a DVD is pretty self explanatory.

People don't buy players for the sake of the player. Well, most of us don't. They buy a tool to watch a movie. And at these prices, it's not a casual buy, so the potential buyer is likely to do at least a little research. And that's when they discover that 5 out of the major 8 studios are Blu-ray exclusive, and only one, probably the one with the weakest catalog, is HD-DVD exclusive. Frankly, that buyer-to-be probably looks no further than to see that Disney, and all their subsidiaries, are available exclusively on Blu-ray. Joe Six Pack is not interested in hearing that he can maybe buy an imported Disney movie on HD-DVD from Europe, or online, or from some guy on the corner. He sees a rack of movies in the store, where he's most likely to buy or rent.

So why aren't the studios supporting both?
1. Economically, it makes more sense for there to be only one format to produce, stock, etc.
2. Blu-ray has greater capacity and room for future growth. There's already a 2 movies on one disc release.
3. Blu-ray has more security- watermarking and the upcoming BD+. We'll see if this works out.
4. Blu-ray has regional encoding, to further help protect studio profits. Ask Disney about this.
5. Costs are comparable to the consumer. Yes, they are. Never mind theory/wishes.

Studios will act in their own self interest. And it seems that, for better or worse, most of them have chosen Blu-ray.

Stating that it's "not fair" that the studios don't produce in both formats is pointless. And I've seen the same folks that crow about Toshiba subsidizing their player, complain about Sony subsidizing disc production. Consistency?

I keep seeing that old argument that "HD-DVD is cheaper" keep rising it's ugly head. Guess what- it isn't. The fact that it costs more to build or retrofit a plant to produce Blu-ray than HD-DVD means little. Over the millions of discs to be produced over several years, the amortization comes out to less than a dollar at the consumer level. And there are arguments that the actual production of a BD is cheaper than an HD-DVD, under some circumstances. Whether that's true or not is uncertain- but the costs are so close as to be a minor factor. Certainly, amortizing the cost of the plant will make the BD more costly, but again, it seems to be less than a dollar at the retail level.

Note that with the Amazon sale, Blu-ray is (temporarily) much cheaper than HD-DVD ($29.80 to $40.40 as of 13:16 Central time today). So it is possible.

And as has been stated- cheap HD-DVD players will be joined very quickly by cheap Blu-ray players.

Bottom line- look around. In stores and online, you can find the prices of the two discs is about the same. And you can find comparably priced players in the two formats. Look at eproductwars and see the rankings.

I don't like seeing Sony come out ahead. I simply don't trust them and likely never will. I will never forget their "root kit" and "stick the consumer" attitude. And some poor hardware they sold me. But it appears that Blu-ray is ahead, and has every likelihood of "winning" - at least insofar as there may be a winner. And the only consolation is that the higher current and future capacity may bring benefits.

mrsdrgn

Mar 27, 2007

I have a PS3 and Toshiba HD-A2. While everyone is arquing over which will survive, I am enjoying both of them. GO NETFLIX!!!!!!!!
The price did drop. I just bought my HD-A2 from amazon for $350-$30 for visa app=320. Not a bad price. PS3 for $540 from Target with the 10% credid card discount. The PS3 is worth more than the stand alone BD player. Not only I can watch the movies, but I can upload my photos, music, videos on the 60gb drive. Why would anyone by the stand alone player?
My point is that for the same price of a $900 BD player you can have it both ways.
I have to say that the BD picture is fantastic. I am watching them on my 52" Sharp LCD Aquas 1080p.

JoeSp

Mar 27, 2007

Interesting conversation with my UPS driver today. He meantioned that he just got a HDTV and that he was looking at "High Definition BluRay" but that his DVDs looked pretty good. After a few questions I found out that he is comparing HD to what he has seen from his cable and dish networks. He has not yet seen OTA HD and did not know that there was a significant differance in OTA and cable and dish.

But, to him high def DVD was BluRay and he was comparing BluRay and regular DVDs. He has been watching DVD on a SD tv and now those same DVDs are looking pretty good on his new HDTV. We all know why so on to the chase.

My take on this is that the average consumer is seeing BluRay as the next generation in movies because the name is differant. Vhs to DVD to BluRay. Seems that the HD-DVD name is backfiring on that camp. In addition, he was talking about his kids and said that when certain movies come out he just might buy a BluRay player. Now anyone here who does not believe that Disney is not swinging this thought pattern for parents please hold up your hands? Don't see any so I will move on.

I have said this at least 25 times on this forum. People buy players to play the movies they want to watch. And when they decided to buy that high def player it is BluRay advertising movies on almost every channel. New releases same date BluRay is very common. And 95% of all family movies are only on BluRay. In addition because of the Combo discs even movies that are on the same format are now cheaper on BD. Add to this no regional coding and no other security level in the mix and HD-DVD is not only behind the Eight Ball but they are starting to push up a very big hill.

Is this 'war' over -- no. Heck, we are probably just entering the first turn. But I have never seen a horse jump out to a 4 length lead at the start to lose it by the first turn without falling down. It seems that Janurary thru March this is just what the HD-DVD camp has done they had a tremendous lead and not only lost the lead but lost momentum. Whether they can get back up on their feet and compete we will see. Cheaper players are not going to help if the movies the consumers want are on BD only. The consumer is smart enough to smell a sellout when they see one. And the studios know that two formats is only hurting the new 'high def video format' and the the end of one is the only way either can survive. I think by Spring of 08 it will pretty much be over.

navychop

Mar 27, 2007

mrsdrgn said:
Why would anyone buy the stand alone player?
My point is that for the same price of a $900 BD player you can have it both ways.

1. Some don't like that ugly 4 letter "S" word on the PS3.
2. Currently no way to control it with a universal remote such as Harmony- and no reason to expect to ever be able to.
3. PS3s might not be upgradeable to the 10/31/07 specs- BD-java, PIP etc.
4. Some don't like the idea/appearance of a video game machine in their living room.

JoeSp said:
My take on this is that the average consumer is seeing BluRay as the next generation in movies because the name is different. VHS to DVD to BluRay. Seems that the HD-DVD name is backfiring on that camp.

I hadn't thought to see it that way. But this could well be true.

And yes, if cheapo HD-DVD players suddenly appear, it might be seen as a close out of the format. Divx players got real cheap right at the end.

JoeSp

Mar 27, 2007

The PS3 is fully upgradable to whatever Sony would like that can run thru HDMI 1.3 and that includes BD-Java. However, that said, I will still buy a standalone to play my BD movies when one comes out that will do a better job then my PS3.

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Last reply 53 minutes ago · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Yespage

Yesterday at 4:57 PM

24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
- Independent of record too! Bonus.
MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
- Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
Going to start resting players?
- The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
- Resting players could make games dumb.
- Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

AZ.

Yesterday at 5:30 PM

Yespage said:
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff

Independent of record too! Bonus.

MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.

I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games

Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff

Going to start resting players?

The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!

Resting players could make games dumb.

Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.

How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 5:47 PM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

AZ.

Yesterday at 9:12 PM

Jimbo said:
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:24 PM

AZ. said:
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

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AZ.

Yesterday at 9:27 PM

Jimbo said:
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 10:07 PM

AZ. said:
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 10:54 PM

IF they go to 24 teams, and it looks like they will soon ....
Do we Really want Teams with 3 and 4 losses in the Playoffs ?
Is a 3-4 Loss team one thats able to win 4-5 more games against Top teams ?

Yespage

53 minutes ago

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

A 12 team playoff net should catch any undefeated team. The 12 team playoff also exposed that rankings suck. I mean, we kind of knew already that the rankings weren't particularly reproducible, but we now have the empirical evidence that the rankings suck because judging who is the best among a mickey mouse scheduled football season isn't a rational endeavor. So the 12 team playoff ensures most teams that should make it, do, including the mid-major undefeated team. 8 teams should be able to work as well, but puts greater risk at OSU and Alabama missing the playoff... can't have that.

Which is the run up to my main problem with the 24 team set up is that it is designed to keep the OSU's and Alabama's from missing the playoff. The cartels are ensuring widespread participation for their own cartels to increase the monetary reward to themselves. It is fixing the system while not fixing the outcomes, merely making the regular season game outcomes virtually irrelevant. Sure, a bye for winning the conference would be nice, but we've already seen that byes aren't that influential.

AZ. said:
We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

That is college football in a nutshell. Again, college football isn't about competition, it is about revenue. The entire setup is about making money, from regular season squash games against local jobbers like the WWF days to tax exempt bowl games.

And to add to the first world woes, the college football cartels have made being a College Football fan even more expensive... so they can get paid more.

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Last reply Today at 9:31 AM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Hughesnet cancelling email addresses

Wasn't exactly sure where to post this. Just had a customer come in inquiring about internet. He has HughesNet and had heard good things about mine. He asked if we provided email addresses and it kinda caught me off guard. I said he should be able to keep whatever email he had been using....my sister in law is still using a BellSouth email addy and they haven't been around here for many years. He said he had gotten a letter from HughesNet stating that they had until Nov 16th to save, move, forward, whatever, their Hughesnet emails because they would lose them after that date.

I have never heard of a company simply mass-deleting email accounts (the customer still has his HughesNet service). From what I understand, in the past, the company who was ditching their email service simply sold the customer base to a company like Google.

Anyone else getting this letter. He said he would show it to me tomorrow when I go out there and set up his internet.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 2:37 PM

Doing a Google of the HughesNet Email notice, it seems that HughesNet has been trying to eliminate hosting emails since 2019. And with HughesNet filing Chapter 11 back in August, it would be a smart move to switch to a more stable Email provider. Even AT&T farmed out their Email to Yahoo! years ago.

SpaceX's Starlink and the Cellular 5G Home Internet solutions have pretty much relegated HughesNet and its high latency, low bandwidth Internet service to History. If Earth had shorter days, maybe a Geostationary Internet Solution might have stood a fighting chance…

klang

Yesterday at 4:21 PM

Foxbat said:
Even AT&T farmed out their Email to Yahoo! years ago.

I still have one of those although I've been trying to wean myself off it.

JSheridan

Yesterday at 4:51 PM

Among my many email accounts I still have a .netscape.net which AOL assimilated a while back.

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EarDemon

Yesterday at 8:25 PM

Yep, I got the notification a few days ago. I'm not totally surprised.

Never used the address for anything, so no big loss to me.

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ncted

Today at 9:09 AM

JSheridan said:
Among my many email accounts I still have a .netscape.net which AOL assimilated a while back.

AOL killed mine years ago without any notice. I actually lost contact with some old friends as that was the only address I ever used to communicate with them.

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Today at 9:31 AM

ncted said:
I actually lost contact with some old friends as that was the only address I ever used to communicate with them.

I had the same thing happen with my first ISP....never again did I use an ISPs email...got a Yahoo and Gmail.

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DIRECTV Transponder Map ~ Data 10/14/2026

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Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)

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Sep 18, 2026

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PISTONS and THUNDER are finally testing on the stream server. PISTONS is showing the Ion/Scripps Sports promo loop filler that their NHL and WNBA feeds have, THUNDER has a "You are watching Thunder+" slate

The Clippers still haven't officially announced their TV plans beyond 10 simulcasts on KTLA, but the NBA's FAQ for ClipperVision is now live. The CLIPPERS feed is currently showing a loop of their Hawaii preseason game.

The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.

So far nothing testing for the Bucks, Magic, Hawks or Hornets.

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Some more reshuffles

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KyL416 said:
The Clippers still haven't officially announced their TV plans beyond 10 simulcasts on KTLA, but the NBA's FAQ for ClipperVision is now live. The CLIPPERS feed is currently showing a loop of their Hawaii preseason game.

They finally announced ClipperVision, it will be on DIRECTV, but they didn't provide a channel number yet.

EDIT: It's going to be on channel 693

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KyL416 said:
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KyL416

Yesterday at 7:30 PM

KyL416 said:
The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.

West Palm Beach is getting it on WTCN-CD/43 MNT. Still nothing for Fort Myers

Also, the Thunder's deal for KSBI/52 OKC and KQCW/19 Tulsa will be via a special cable and DIRECTV only feed of those stations. OTA viewers and Dish customers will be limited to 10 games.

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Bruce

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Last reply Today at 9:08 AM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Paramount +

For the naysayers who did not think this service would make it, just added another 4.9M subscribers and that was after the removal of 1.2M Russia subscribers.

This is even better, Paramount+ revenue grew 120% and Subscription revenue grew 74% year-over-year ( 2nd quarter 2021/ 2nd quarter 2022) to $830M, principally reflecting paid subscriber growth on Paramount+.

Now compare that to Peacock with only 13 million paid, 13 million free.

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Bruce

Oct 4, 2026

Just noticed, CBS shows on Paramount+ are now same day premieres vs next day, which is how they used to be.

Also in 4K/HDR/DV.

I wonder how providers feel about this, they pay an expensive per sub fee for CBS, who is giving another positive reason to drop Paid Live TV and subscribe to P+.

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Jimbo

Oct 6, 2026

Bruce said:
Just noticed, CBS shows on Paramount+ are now same day premieres vs next day, which is how they used to be.

Also in 4K/HDR/DV.

I wonder how providers feel about this, they pay an expensive per sub fee for CBS, who is giving another positive reason to drop Paid Live TV and subscribe to P+.

So, this means that those of us with Commercial Free subs, won't be Commercial Free, unless we wait till after the show is over ?
Which would make same day, not that big of a deal.

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b4pjoe

Oct 6, 2026

Jimbo said:
So, this means that those of us with Commercial Free subs, won't be Commercial Free, unless we wait till after the show is over ?
Which would make same day, not that big of a deal.

Paramount+ has always had the CBS shows on the CBS local channel and yes with commercials. What they are doing now is releasing the OnDemand versions of the show which I believe they don't release until after the shows air on the west coast. And they will be commercial free if you subscribe to the ad free version of Paramount+.

Jimbo

Oct 6, 2026

b4pjoe said:
Paramount+ has always had the CBS shows on the CBS local channel and yes with commercials. What they are doing now is releasing the OnDemand versions of the show which I believe they don't release until after the shows air on the west coast. And they will be commercial free if you subscribe to the ad free version of Paramount+.

So, the New season won't be on the same day commercial free ???

Looks like the On Demand will Still be the Next Day ...

If you have the Top tier, you could get the LIVE Network feed same as any Cable or OTA would.
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Key facts

Premiere date: Tuesday, Oct. 6, 2026
Release schedule: Weekly on Tuesdays
Network: CBS
Streaming: Paramount+*
Series created by: Donald P. Bellisario and Don McGill

*New episodes of NCIS stream live on Paramount+ as they air on CBS for subscribers of the Paramount+ Premium plan. Episodes stream on demand on Paramount+ on the day after they air on CBS for all subscribers.

b4pjoe

Oct 6, 2026

Jimbo said:
So, the New season won't be on the same day commercial free ???

Looks like the On Demand will Still be the Next Day ...

If you have the Top tier, you could get the LIVE Network feed same as any Cable or OTA would.
===============================================================================

Key facts

Premiere date: Tuesday, Oct. 6, 2026

Release schedule: Weekly on Tuesdays

Network: CBS

Streaming: Paramount+*

Series created by: Donald P. Bellisario and Don McGill

*New episodes of NCIS stream live on Paramount+ as they air on CBS for subscribers of the Paramount+ Premium plan. Episodes stream on demand on Paramount+ on the day after they air on CBS for all subscribers.

Watching it on the CBS local on Paramount+ is the exact same as watching it on your CBS local on your current cable/satellite/mvpd/vMVPD service. The OnDemand versions of it can be released on the same day that it airs but usually it is after the show airs on the west coast so if you have a show at 7:00 pm in your time zone and it airs 3 hours later on the west coast at 10:00 pm your time then they could release it at 11:00 pm your time if it was a one hour show. I really have not checked to see what time I can see the ad free OnDemand shows on Paramount+. I know today that last nights FBI and CIA show did not pop into the Up Next row on my Apple TV until this afternoon. I guess it may have been in Paramount+ since last night but I never checked it.

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Jimbo

Today at 8:19 AM

b4pjoe said:
Watching it on the CBS local on Paramount+ is the exact same as watching it on your CBS local on your current cable/satellite/mvpd/vMVPD service. The OnDemand versions of it can be released on the same day that it airs but usually it is after the show airs on the west coast so if you have a show at 7:00 pm in your time zone and it airs 3 hours later on the west coast at 10:00 pm your time then they could release it at 11:00 pm your time if it was a one hour show. I really have not checked to see what time I can see the ad free OnDemand shows on Paramount+. I know today that last nights FBI and CIA show did not pop into the Up Next row on my Apple TV until this afternoon. I guess it may have been in Paramount+ since last night but I never checked it.

I think I read 3am est the next day, somewhere.

b4pjoe

Today at 9:08 AM

Jimbo said:
I think I read 3am est the next day, somewhere.

I wasn't up at 3:00 am to check but they are there at 8:00 am today.

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Last reply Today at 9:04 AM · posted in DIRECTV Programming Forum

Directv curated multi view now live

The new curated multiview is now live.
While on many of the sports channels and non sports channels there is a multi view option button. It will pull up a side bar with many different multi view options.

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KyL416

Tuesday at 7:29 PM

It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.

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b4pjoe

Tuesday at 7:30 PM

KyL416 said:
It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.

But not on the only device they ship out right now which is the Gemini Air.

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TheRatPatrol

Yesterday at 11:37 PM

KyL416 said:
It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.

How soon will it be available on Apple TV? Thanks

I WANT MORE

Today at 7:36 AM

b4pjoe said:
But not on the only device they ship out right now which is the Gemini Air.

It's on my Air's.

b4pjoe

Today at 9:04 AM

I WANT MORE said:
It's on my Air's.

The post read: "currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen". It didn't mention the Air. I suppose when it said Geminis it meant both but I had no way of knowing that.

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Last reply Today at 9:00 AM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

New Apple TV 4K released, plus other Apple Home devices.

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…

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Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.

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Ronnie-

Tuesday at 9:19 PM

Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.

Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.

It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

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navychop

Tuesday at 9:31 PM

Ronnie- said:
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

navychop

Yesterday at 12:55 PM

Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

KAB

Yesterday at 7:46 PM

navychop said:
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:08 AM

navychop said:
Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what

. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

ncted

Today at 8:58 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade

No. Makes me wonder if that is Apple or the carrier. I am on pre-paid, so I never get "an upgrade." I still have my old iPhone 11 Pro as a second line, and it runs iOS 27 just fine. My iPhone Air, which is still a current model, doesn't really seem that much faster in regular use. It is better in other ways, and worse in some ways than the 11 Pro (size), but performance really isn't a big differentiator, especially since I replaced the battery in the 11 Pro. If I had gotten enough storage when I originally bought the 11 Pro, it could still be my primary device with no issues.

ncted

Today at 9:00 AM

KAB said:
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!

Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.

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