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tonyp56
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First of all, because this is related to broadband, I've placed it in this forum, even though this forum doesn't get much traffic. Secondly, this is from someone that is very disgusted and tired of excuses from telco company about the lack of decent and affordable broadband for me.

To begin, I recently signed up for DSL for the very first time, and only after receiving equipment, found out that I am unable to get DSL. Kudos to the people over at dslreports.com for helping me along, and for giving me ideas, etc... Anyways, I live about a mile too far from DSL service, and I am left with my only other option for broadband, satellite. Which for the most part, I do not like. Well over priced, FAP, bad weather affects it, etc...

More or less, I've been wanting DSL and I've been very vocal about it--calling, e-mailing, using AT&T Direct over at DSLreports.com, etc.--AT&T must have thought, "well maybe he can get from where he is" and so added my number to their database. The reason I can't get it isn't because I'm too far away, field tech said that there was a splice/split in line about 400 feet away from me, that caused DSL signal not to get to me (line quality issue, though I am right on the edge of being too far away, though without above issue, I could have been on DSL). Field tech said only way to fix is to either run new line from me to hwy (about 1/4 of a mile) or run fiber up to hwy (install RT in other words). Neither of these two things will likely happen any time soon. (no work being done, at this moment)

I know that this is the way of things, but I was hoping for DSL, especially after AT&T said I could have it. So in researching around the net, I found the following:

1. By December 31, 2007, AT&T/BellSouth will offer broadband Internet access service (i.e., Internet access service at speeds in excess of 200 kbps in at least one direction) to 100 percent of the residential living units in the AT&TBellSouth in-region territory. 2 To meet this commitment, AT&T/BellSouth will offer broadband Internet access services to at least 85 percent of such living units using wireline technologies (the "Wireline Buildout Area"). AT&T/BellSouth will make available broadband Internet access service to the remaining living units using alternative technologies and operating arrangements, including but not limited to satellite and Wi-Max fixed wireless technologies . AT&TBellSouth further commits that at least 30 percent of the incremental deployment after the Merger Closing Date necessary to achieve the Wireline Buildout Area commitment wi11 be to rural areas or low income living units. 3
1 AT&TBellSouth refers to AT&T Inc., BellSouth Corporation, and their affiliates that provide domestic wireline or Wi-Max fixed wireless services .

2 As used herein, the "AT&TBellSouth in-region territory" means the areas in which an AT&T or BellSouth operating company is the incumbent local exchange carrier, as defined in 47 U.S.C. § 251(h)(1)(A) and (B)(i) . "AT&T in-region territory" means the area in which an AT&T operating
company is the incumbent local exchange carrier, as defined in 47 U.S.C. § 251(h)(1)(A) and (B)(i), and "BellSouth in-region territory" means the area in which a BellSouth operating company is the incumbent local exchange carrier, as defined in 47 U.S.C. § 251(h)(1)(A) and (B)(i) .

3 For purposes of this commitment, a low income living unit shall mean a living unit in AT&T/BellSouth's in-region territory with an average annual income of less than $35,000, determined consistent with Census Bureau data, see California Public Utilities Code section 58900)(2) (as added by AB 2987) (defining low income households as those with annual incomes below $35,000), and a rural area shall consist of the zones in AT&T/Bell South's in-region territory with the highest deaveraged UNE loop rates as established by the state commission consistent with the procedures set forth in section 51 .507 of the Commission's rules. 47 C.F.R. § 51 .507.[/QUOTE] http://www.fcc.gov/ATT_FINALMergerCommitments12-28.pdf (Pg. 2) ​


This document is in regards to AT&T's merger with BellSouth, in it, they've committed as a condition of their merger, they'll have broadband available to 100% of their footprint by this years end (including BellSouth's footprint). In that 100%, "at least" 85% will be served by wireline, the remaining will be served by "alternative technologies and operating arrangements," including wireless and satellite. Additionally, 30% of the wireline (DSL) buildout will include rural areas (that's me). ​


Wireless would be OK, if they offered at least 1Mbps down and 200Kbps up for around $39 a month. (though in their statement they define broadband as at least 200Kbps in at least one direction--i.e. up or down--so they wouldn't have to offer that). DSL of course would be great and ideal. Satellite, I've already got satellite, and I don't want it. Unless, they'll lower the price down to DSL prices and do away with FAP. NOTE: Before anyone says "why did you say $39 for WiFi?" I am realistic, I know WiFi will cost more, not to mention, WiFi lacks some of cons of broadband via satellite, especially latency. ​

For starters, DSL Basic, offers speeds of 768Kbps down and 128Kbps up for $14.99 a month, or Direcway's Home 700Kbps down and 128Kbps up for $59.99. That is a 4X difference in price for same speed. Not to mention, satellite has latency and a FAP, which chokes it down to nothing but fast dial-up. Before anyone says DSL has a FAP, with my DSL modem came a coupon for a free month with Vongo. If AT&T sends a free month with a movie download site, I think they want you to use your download capabilities (one movie is 2-3GB just for SD movies). Not to mention, modem was going to cost me $0 after mail-in rebate. I just got done paying $40 a month extra for 15 months to pay for my Hughesnet equipment (or I could have fronted the $600). ​

OK, so what can be done to insure AT&T (and other telcos, even cable companies) keep rural America in mind, and start including us in DSL service areas--or at least better alternatives than satellite via fast WiFi or perhaps cable. Before someone says it, according to posters at dslreports, RT's (remote terminals) can cost upwards of 1 million dollars each (consensus there that I saw was about $750,000 each) So I know it is very expensive for telco's to build out a DSL area to include areas were they will likely only pick up a few subscribers. That aside, if AT&T wants U-Verse to succeed, then they'll have to get it into 100% of their customers homes. Think, until cheap DVD players were everywhere, DVD's sat on the shelves with VHS tapes. ​

Broadband today to me is the same as electric was a 100 years ago. Only the most populated areas have it. Some of you folks here are talking about your 20Mbps and higher broadband, and I don't even have 1Mbps broadband. The kicker is, you are likely paying the same or less than what I pay. How is that fair? Would I not benefit from this 21st century luxury too? I would be happy with 1.5Mbps down and 386Kbps up for about $20 a month. Oh, wait, that is AT&T's Express package, lol, that would be perfect. But, I can't get it, because I've been deemed not important enough to be included in their DSL area. ​

If one reads that statement from AT&T about the merger, things sound like they might be getting better (at least for us in the AT&T and BellSouth footprint). But nothing there says they have to give DSL, or even provide a WiFi alternative. It says operational agreements, that could be simply them teaming up with Hughesnet, and offering satellite internet on their (AT&T's) web-page through Hughesnet. Like they do with Dish Network.​

Finally, what do others think can be done? I've heard others say, no amount of writing, protesting, etc. will ever make a difference. But somehow, AT&T and other telco's need to serve all of their customers with affordable and viable broadband internet. Because WiFi and satellite are either not offering good speeds (1Mbps down and 200Kbps up at least), not offering service in an area, or not offering cheap service for anyone.​

Thanks,​

I'd like to hear what others think​
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tonyp56
Stargazer,

Back when I was installing for WISP here, (about 5 years ago) it cost $999 for the equipment and install. Additionally, it was $90 a month for 1Mbps down and 256Kbps up. For a good year we were signing up at least 1 if not 2 customers a week, then COX (then it just changed from PEAK, now it is Suddenlink) started offering digital cable and cable internet, and those numbers dropped off. Customers started cancelling, etc...

My point is, when there is nothing else around, customers are willing to pay, heck I paid $600 for my crappy satellite (paid it off over 15 months, but still). I'd setup a tier, if it is a business customer, charge them a little extra for equipment, to subsidize those that can't afford it, or need to pay it over several months. That way it isn't you that is subsidizing, and cutting into your eventual profits. I wouldn't setup a general page for installs. Business customers pay more for DSL, pay more for other internet services (dial-up is $30 here while residential is $19.99), why would it be wrong to charge more for service through your WISP? Maybe offering a better package or better customer service (offering no more than 24 hours downtime or something) to your business customers, so they don't feel cheated or something.

Also, you could offer cheaper packages, with subsidized equipment, and then if the customer wanted faster net, they would have to pay for better equipment.
tonyp56
Local cable company here (www.communitycablevision.com) has been running fiber between my town and another town that they serve cable in. It is about 14 miles away, and the fiber run runs about 1/4 of a mile from me. Both towns are getting fiber ran throughout, and it looks like digital cable is on its way.

The only question I have, will they run cable down my road so that I can sign up or not. When I first saw them upgrading i asked, and was told it was for cable internet, however, don't know what their real plans are for me. (I live about 1 mile past their current cable offering, though now, becasue of fiber run, I'm about 1/4 of a mile from the new cable.)

I guess in another month or two I'll know if I'll have another internet service provider or not. Until then my e-mails have gone un-answered, and though I could call them too, I doubt I'd get any answers there either. So I guess I'll have to wait. LOL
Stargazer
If you are really close to a cable/DSL area and they will not run it to your house then find someone that is in the cable/DSL area and buy a few radios to transmit the high speed internet to your house. You would have to have someone set it up for you if you are not knowledgable with networking and wisp radio's.

The previous owner charged the same monthly fee and install fee to businesses as they did to residentual customers but I am going to charge 50% more to the businesses because we are their only source and it helps subsidize residentual subscribers. Businesses are also more demanding on getting service back up so we sometimes have to go out of our way to help them get service restored faster. Our residentual service has cheaper monthly and upfront costs than WildBlue and has better speeds for the price. Since satellite internet charges more for business then our rates and speeds would be better to the business as well. Only where cable/DSL is would we have problems competing but I find that there are some businesses that still take our service in those markets. We do have excellent upload speeds and this is with our T-1 line. Once we get the 10 MB pipeline this should improve a bit more. I hope to someday be able to go into the cable/DSL market for residentual customers and charge the same or less once hardware comes down in price and offer some sort of bundling deal with phone and internet for those that want to keep their satellite tv service. It goes hand in hand.
tonyp56
Stargazer,

Yeah, I am hopefull cable will be brought down my road (no reason for it not too, but I'm not 100% sure of what they will or won't do, LOL). I've know some people and if need be, I'll get them to sign up for DSL, and broadcast to my house via wireless (me paying the monthly premiums of course). If the cable company don't come down my road.

That sounds fair to me, if business customers demand better service, then it stands to reason they should pay more. Same as any other service out there.
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Hello... I am new to the forum and need help in deciding which system to purchase to use for a small home based business. You appear to have the knowledge I am looking for. We are moving from the Big City (San Diego- Cox Cable Land) to the 'burbs, no actually the "sticks" in Alabama- green trees, chirping birds, less traffic, but alas, no DSL or cable-- I have checked them all, even spoke with Bell South to get a T-1 and actually seriously considered it.

I will be running a small business from my home, actually a satellite office(pun intended) from my main office in California so I can work from my new home. I was hoping to use VPN, but it appears this is not supported or recommended by the sat companies.

My main question is: which company should I use? Hughesnet or Blue Sky ? I have read many of the threads about both, and really need some imput from techies who know and have used both systems. Both seem to offer residential and small business/medium business, etc. - different speeds, different dish size and different pricing.

What should I really expect to receive? Can we really believe their ads and claims?-

I will only be transmitting a small amounts of data to my server in California, just text into my client database, email and such. No downloading of music or large files. I will most likely be running two computers and create a mini network from home. I will be working on line about 8 hours per day and need the system open and available.

Any Ideas, suggestions or warnings before I sign on the dotted line?

Janet and Win in Alabama
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
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I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
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Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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Weekly Analysis for 10/28/2026:
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ElectionHQ mixes testing with BBC News, CNBC, CNN, FBN, FNC, MSNOW, NewsMax and NewsNation

Some more reshuffles

Updating the TMSIDs for KSBI and KQCW to use the cable feeds with Thunder games instead of the OTA feeds

An additional commercial PPV channel is now on 9530
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Monday 11/2 is a full slate for NBA League Pass as all 30 teams are playing and 14 out of 15 total games are on NBALP. Only one national TV game on Peacock/NBCSN (Thunder @ Cavs).

DirecTV is even having to use several MLB EI channels (from 745-748) and a NHL CI (770) channel to fit all of them in the guide close together. 5 games at 7:30 ET, 3 games at 8 ET, 2 games at 8:30 ET, 1 game at 9 ET, 3 games at 10 ET. Luckily NHL CI is light on Monday (3 games on CI).

DirecTV is providing both broadcast feeds for all League Pass games except Hornets, Magic, Bucks & Raptors that night. These are all teams that have local broadcasts via a OTA channel which is on spotbeams and have streaming deals (DTC) that are not exclusive DAZN teams which DirecTV just signed a deal with (à la Spurs, Grizzlies, Cavs, Pacers & T'Wolves). Its also very common that we don't get Raptors broadcast very often from TSN or Sportsnet Ontario on League Pass.

11/2/26 (MON) EASTERN7:00 PM7:30 PM8:00 PM8:30 PM9:00 PM10:00 PM
Peacock/NBCSNThunder @ Cavaliers
NBA League PassNonePistons (745) @ HornetsKings (755) @ Mavericks (756)Celtics (760) @ Rockets (761)Trail Blazers (764) @ Nuggets (765)Suns (769) @ Warriors (770)
Hawks (746) @ Pacers (747)Pelicans (757) @ Grizzlies (758)Jazz (762) @ Spurs (763)Raptors @ Clippers (766)
Nets (748) @ Knicks (751)Bucks @ T'Wolves (759)Heat (767) @ Lakers (768)
Wizards (752) @ Magic
Bulls (753) @ 76ers (754)
*No Hornets, Magic local broadcasts*No Bucks local broadcast*No Raptors local broadcast
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Only the Knicks, Nets, Wizards, Bulls, Celtics, Rockets, Lakers, Warriors, Avalanche, Sharks and Bruins feeds will be using remaps of 24/7 RSNs that night. The rest will be relying on the part time feeds, including the Nuggets, Blackhawks and Kings who will be on their alt/overflow channels, and MSG Western NY will be live on channel 635-1 to carry Buffalo area ads during the Knicks game.

The NHL Network alternate will be live on channel 215-1 with Red Wings @ Panthers for those blacked out of Golden Knights @ Bruins on the main feed.

The Thunder @ Cavaliers game will be on one of Peacock Game Pass channels that night for commercial customers, they'll also have the back to back U-Conn Women's and Men's Basketball. One of the part time feeds will also be in use for WWE Raw via Joe Hand promotions.
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I could be wrong but the only RSN we dont have is NBC SN Philadelphia .
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Patrick Stewart died yesterday, October 28th at the age of 86. We lost yet another great actor. :(

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long_time_Dish
Rest in peace. Wow, so many good roles, but Jean Luc Picard will always be my favorite...
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R.I.P.
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Rest In Peace
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R.I.P., Jean-Luc.