2020 Dish Price Increase. ?

ChadT41

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Awaiting likely Scott to release to us his internal knowledge of what this years prices will be? Anyone know?
 
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Should be?! LOL. Will it be? LOL.

This will tell is if they plan to bring back RSNs. If they don't, then costs won't be included. If they do, then they will. But if they don;'t know, what do you do? If there is any intent to bring the channels back you have to build that in.


Should be less with no RSN's:biggrin
 
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Should be?! LOL. Will it be? LOL.

This will tell is if they plan to bring back RSNs. If they don't, then costs won't be included. If they do, then they will. But if they don;'t know, what do you do? If there is any intent to bring the channels back you have to build that in.
I agree to a point. However, except for a couple of random RSN's with contracts that expired later than the other ones in dispute, most of the RSN's have already been gone long enough at this point that the prices should be reduced to reflect that. This holds true even if there is intent to bring them back. Remember what Dish did with the prices of the Latino packages this year during the Univision dispute? At the time of the regularly-scheduled price changes, they built the automatic $5 per month reduction (that had previously been credited back to the bill as a separate line item early in the dispute) into the new price of the packages. Then, when Univision finally returned later in the year, the price of all of those packages went up by $5 per month. The same principle holds true for the RSN's. Reduce the package prices now (reflecting actual current conditions) and then immediately raise the prices again later whenever the RSN's return. (Of course, I can see a lot of customers complaining about that, especially if they do not watch the RSN's. So, that may be a sticking point in the negotiations, about giving customers the ability to opt-out of the RSN's and keep the lower package price.)
 

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Called for a discount this year and locked in again for 2 years with $20 off being on a fixed income. So no increases for me until 2022. By then, who knows? The way streaming is going, that may be the future?
You do bring up an interesting point that I hadn't thought about. Without the RSN's in the package any longer, that means that even the subscribers who got the price lock (as part of the "Preferred Customer Offer" or whatever it is called now) should have gotten an even lower rate as a loyalty incentive. Now, they are stuck in a contract, and still paying the same rate that they had been paying when they had the RSN's. So, it looks like Dish gets to pocket the RSN revenue from those subscribers, without actually providing the RSN's to them. If next year's prices actually decrease (as I suspect they might) then it might be a better idea to wait until after the price changes, before locking in the loyalty deal.
 
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I think they'll hold off a little bit and see what materializes. Can't set a price and then jack it up 2 months in. People won't go for that. So I would expect this to hold a bit. Sinclair is bleeding badly, if DISH sees an opportunity to kill, it will. If it senses that baseball will create more issues then maybe. Baseball is king, and most of the content on any RSN, spring training is coming and then regular season. I would not be surprised to see this all settle out by Feb.

I agree to a point. However, except for a couple of random RSN's with contracts that expired later than the other ones in dispute, most of the RSN's have already been gone long enough at this point that the prices should be reduced to reflect that. This holds true even if there is intent to bring them back. Remember what Dish did with the prices of the Latino packages this year during the Univision dispute? At the time of the regularly-scheduled price changes, they built the automatic $5 per month reduction (that had previously been credited back to the bill as a separate line item early in the dispute) into the new price of the packages. Then, when Univision finally returned later in the year, the price of all of those packages went up by $5 per month. The same principle holds true for the RSN's. Reduce the package prices now (reflecting actual current conditions) and then immediately raise the prices again later whenever the RSN's return. (Of course, I can see a lot of customers complaining about that, especially if they do not watch the RSN's. So, that may be a sticking point in the negotiations, about giving customers the ability to opt-out of the RSN's and keep the lower package price.)
 

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How can the Welcome Pack be reduced? Take it back to local channels only? Or reduce it by eliminating local channels and then offering a very small collection of cable channels? Doing either would destroy the Welcome Pack.
Yes, exactly! That is the way things were before the forced bundling of locals with Welcome Pack. I could see Dish offering a small discount (not the full $12 off that other packages get) for Welcome Pack without locals, and offering a Locals Only package priced significantly higher than the Locals add-on for other packages, while still offering the existing Welcome Pack for those who want the bundle. Perhaps not very many people would choose the stripped-down lower-priced options, but they would still be available for those who want to reduce their bill. It is sad that the lowest-priced regular package is now around $30 per month (regular-price, not grandfathered) when that exact same package used to be only $19.99 per month not that long ago. I think that Dish should have some options closer to the $20 per month price range, even if they have to do that as only an introductory rate.
 

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I think they'll hold off a little bit and see what materializes. Can't set a price and then jack it up 2 months in. People won't go for that. So I would expect this to hold a bit. Sinclair is bleeding badly, if DISH sees an opportunity to kill, it will. If it senses that baseball will create more issues then maybe. Baseball is king, and most of the content on any RSN, spring training is coming and then regular season. I would not be surprised to see this all settle out by Feb.
Again, I agree to a point, but my expected time-frame would be April. I could see Dish being willing to go without spring training and probably even the first part of the season. This seems to be the time-frame when Dish would usually add new RSN's (back when Dish was still adding RSN's) and resolve previous RSN disputes. So, it would be more than just two months in. Also, like I said, you have to consider the number of months that the RSN's have already been gone, and give customers a bit of a price break because of that.
 

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Without the RSN's in the package any longer, that means that even the subscribers who got the price lock (as part of the "Preferred Customer Offer" or whatever it is called now) should have gotten an even lower rate as a loyalty incentive.
Why? It's a price lock. I'm currently in a price lock. My signing up with Dish for 2 years and them giving me a price lock was a loyalty incentive. What makes you think I should get money back if a channel disappears (I mean, yes, I miss El Rey but it disappeared) or possibly charged more if a channel appears (like Comet HD) since my term started?

I don't understand your logic.
 
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Why? It's a price lock. I'm currently in a price lock. My signing up with Dish for 2 years and them giving me a price lock was a loyalty incentive. What makes you think I should get money back if a channel disappears (I mean, yes, I miss El Rey but it disappeared) or possibly charged more if a channel appears (like Comet HD) since my term started?

I don't understand your logic.
Even if the normal rate increased immediately when a new channel gets added (it doesn't increase immediately, though) the price lock would protect you from the price increase. That is the point of the price lock. However, in this particular case with channels being removed, the RSN's are not just any ordinary channel, but rather among the most expensive channels in the package. So, hypothetically, lets say that the normal package price decreases by $5 per month due to the lack of RSN's. The price lock seems to be a $20 discount off the price of the package at the time you signed up for it. If the regular package price had decreased immediately at the time of the RSN's removal, that may be okay. However, that decision to decrease the price seems to have been delayed. In the meantime, you have people signing up for a price lock expecting a $20 discount, when the regular price is about to automatically include a $5 discount. So, people who sign up for the price lock before the regular price changes are, in effect, only getting an additional $15 discount, while people who wait for the new lower regular rate to go into effect before signing up for the price lock get the full $20 discount for the exact same programming package.
 

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It’s a price lock, not a credit lock. Contracts work for both parties.
 

crodrules

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It’s a price lock, not a credit lock. Contracts work for both parties.
True, but to take the example to the extreme, what if the regular price decreased by $20? Then, those who accepted the price lock off of the old price would still be locked in a contract, paying the exact same rate as a customer without a contract. At some point, adjustments have to be made to the contract terms, even if only to generate good will and avoid bad public perception of the company.
 

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You do bring up an interesting point that I hadn't thought about. Without the RSN's in the package any longer, that means that even the subscribers who got the price lock (as part of the "Preferred Customer Offer" or whatever it is called now) should have gotten an even lower rate as a loyalty incentive. Now, they are stuck in a contract, and still paying the same rate that they had been paying when they had the RSN's. So, it looks like Dish gets to pocket the RSN revenue from those subscribers, without actually providing the RSN's to them. If next year's prices actually decrease (as I suspect they might) then it might be a better idea to wait until after the price changes, before locking in the loyalty deal.
I still got $20 off a month. With so many programmers upping their fees, I figured it was about as good as I could get. I looked all over and nothing else compared to what I have with Dish. I checked around for months.
 

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I think they'll hold off a little bit and see what materializes. Can't set a price and then jack it up 2 months in. People won't go for that. So I would expect this to hold a bit. Sinclair is bleeding badly, if DISH sees an opportunity to kill, it will. If it senses that baseball will create more issues then maybe. Baseball is king, and most of the content on any RSN, spring training is coming and then regular season. I would not be surprised to see this all settle out by Feb.
By what the CSR said, it looks like there will be a price increase this coming year, she had no idea how much though.
 

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