Dishpointer, since you are in the legal profession, is there a way for all installation techs (dish or direct) to form some kind of union? The reason i am interested in getting all the techs together on this , is to protect them from having to continue to take paycutts on a career that was at one time a great one , that seems to be dwindling down to the equivalency of minimum wage. Right now HSP get most of the installation MSP `s are up and coming for direct and DNS for dish , and all are demanding that there techs be SBCA certified in order to install a satellite system professionally for them. Since techs are required to be certified and pay fee`s every other year to stay qualified , can techs pay a fee to an organization to keep the above HSP,MSP,and DNS guys in check the next time they threaten to give us another paycutt. Direct and Dish give these guys their installs knowing that the techs do a quality install that will pass QC therfore they get most of the installs,so to keep busy in the satellite industry (if you are not a retailer) you have to work for one of the above companies and it seems they know this. So if you are a tech who wants to continue to install satellite systems , you take a paycutt or find some other career. Quite a few quality techs moved on to other careers and it looks as if the quality is going with them. I myself would be moving on to another venture if they ask me to take another paycutt. I feel that alot of techs would agree with me on this one. So Dishpointer, would you be interested in getting a union started for us techs? Or would you know of anybody else who would be able to help or point us in the right direction?