ATSC 3.0 DRM Encryption

[primestar31]

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[jorgek]

Not sure which forum to post this question.
Can a ATSC 3 tuner receive ATSC 1 transmissions?

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Not sure which forum to post this question.
Can a ATSC 3 tuner receive ATSC 1 transmissions?

Yes it can.

 

[primestar31]

Not sure which forum to post this question.
Can a ATSC 3 tuner receive ATSC 1 transmissions?

Yeah, but it doesn't necessarily receive ALL ATSC 3.0 transmissions, IF those are encrypted... Make sure any tuner you buy is certified working with DRM channels. The only one that is, is the ADTH tuner that started shipping this past week, BUT, it couldn't even decode DRM channels until it got a firmware upgrade out of the box. Also, some people have posted it isn't decoding ALL DRM stations in some cases.

I do NOT recommend you buying that one, unless you truly enjoy being a beta tester. Wait a bit longer for better devices to come to market. There's NO hurry it'll be years before 3.0 will take over.

 

[N6BY]

With ATSC 1.0, we can, of course, skip commercials on our DVRs and we don't have to pay to watch OTA TV. The only problem with that is there is no money in it for the broadcasters if we skip commercials (except when the satellite and cable providers pay the retransmission fee).

While I don't like it, I have a feeling that the FCC will side with the broadcasters - because they let satellite providers encrypt their content. To be fair and consistent I think they will have to allow encryption.

 

[navychop]

There's NO hurry it'll be years before 3.0 will take over.

If it ever does. I have the feeling ATSC 3 may go the way of the Circuit City “special” self destructing disc players.

 

[Joe The Dragon]

With ATSC 1.0, we can, of course, skip commercials on our DVRs and we don't have to pay to watch OTA TV. The only problem with that is there is no money in it for the broadcasters if we skip commercials (except when the satellite and cable providers pay the retransmission fee).

While I don't like it, I have a feeling that the FCC will side with the broadcasters - because they let satellite providers encrypt their content. To be fair and consistent I think they will have to allow encryption.

will they allow channels to have encryption?
mandate FTA channels?
say encryption can only be used on pay channels and that any free channel must have no encryption?
will channels with encryption be allowed to have porn like in the pay UHF days?

 

[primestar31]

will they allow channels to have encryption?
mandate FTA channels?
say encryption can only be used on pay channels and that any free channel must have no encryption?
will channels with encryption be allowed to have porn like in the pay UHF days?

YES
NO - technically, it appears to be the providers belief (and FCC is allowing it) that the DRM they are pushing IS FTA, because "Nextgen Certified" devices can decrypt it at no monthly cost/free. Of course, you have to buy a new tv OR tuner device that can handle DRM, at a one-time cost.
NO
NO

 

[dweber]

Televisions that have ATSC 3.0 tuners are able to watch the encrypted ATSC 3.0 broadcasts. The recently released ADTH ATSC 3.0 tuner is also able to decrypt the Encrypted ATSC 3.0 broadcasts. But none of these are DVR.
Keep in mind that no DVR device can currently decrypt the encrypted ATSC 3.0 broadcasts. I am confident that they will eventually be able to. But I would bet that broadcasters will disable the ability to skip commercials, and they probably will not allow some content such as sports to be recorded. It is all about money from commercials and selling their content via streaming.
Having said this I still believe that ATSC 3.0 will eventually replace ATSC 1.0 since it offers so many advantages.

 

[navychop]

Advantages to … WHO?

 

[N6BY]

Televisions that have ATSC 3.0 tuners are able to watch the encrypted ATSC 3.0 broadcasts. The recently released ADTH ATSC 3.0 tuner is also able to decrypt the Encrypted ATSC 3.0 broadcasts. ...

Not in all cases. What is watchable now might not always remain so.

But none of these are DVR.
Keep in mind that no DVR device can currently decrypt the encrypted ATSC 3.0 broadcasts. I am confident that they will eventually be able to. But I would bet that broadcasters will disable the ability to skip commercials, and they probably will not allow some content such as sports to be recorded....

I think the market has gotten used to the ability to skip commercials and time-shift. Without allowing DVR features I think ATSC 3.0 is DOA.

...Having said this I still believe that ATSC 3.0 will eventually replace ATSC 1.0 since it offers so many advantages.

Advantages to the broadcasters. I can't think of any advantages for consumers, except 4K (which my aging eyes can hardly distinguish from 2K) and I will stick with ATSC 1.0 as long as possible.

The only thing I agree with you about is "It is all about money from commercials and selling their content via streaming."

 

[navychop]

I think the market has gotten used to the ability to skip commercials and time-shift. Without allowing DVR features I think ATSC is DOA.

QFT!

 

[dweber]

Not in all cases. What is watchable now might not always remain so.

I think the market has gotten used to the ability to skip commercials and time-shift. Without allowing DVR features I think ATSC 3.0 is DOA.

Advantages to the broadcasters. I can't think of any advantages for consumers, except 4K (which my aging eyes can hardly distinguish from 2K) and I will stick with ATSC 1.0 as long as possible.

The only thing I agree with you about is "It is all about money from commercials and selling their content via streaming."

Consumer advantages include:

1) Orthogonal frequency-division (OFDM) will provide a much better signal with less interference eliminating issues such as multipath.

2) Better compression from 19.4 Mbps to 57 Mbps allowing higher resolution and HDR.

3) Can be received on mobile devices.

4) Can provide internet content to anyone who can receive the broadcast signal which opens up all sorts of possibilities such as targeted emergency alerts

5) Dolby AC-4 Atmos Audio

These advantages will not happen until the requirement that ATSC 1.0 is stopped so it is still a long way off.

 

[jorgek]

I suspect ATSC3 is opening the door to Pay per view over OTA. Free viewing will disappear.

 

[LocutusOfBorg]

So they'll be doing like cable and sat tv by charging us to watch commercials. And I'll have to buy a new TV.

 

[dweber]

I suspect ATSC3 is opening the door to Pay per view over OTA. Free viewing will disappear.

The FCC requires that the basic channels remain free to maintain their license but broadcasters are allowed to eliminate trick plays so the consumer has to watch commercials or they can limit recording. They could also bundle premium channels that would be Pay per view.


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[dweber]

So they'll be doing like cable and sat tv by charging us to watch commercials. And I'll have to buy a new TV.

Cable and Satellite DVR receivers allow the consumer to skip commercials as long as they do not watch live. Dish even has Auto-hop for their Prime Time Anytime channels (NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX) that automatically skips commercials from 7 PM to 11 PM. Of course you are paying your provider for the DVR ability.

There will eventually be cheap ATSC 3.0 tuners available that will connect to an existing TV.


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[Radioguy41]

Consumer advantages include:

1) Orthogonal frequency-division (OFDM) will provide a much better signal with less interference eliminating issues such as multipath.

2) Better compression from 19.4 Mbps to 57 Mbps allowing higher resolution and HDR.

3) Can be received on mobile devices.

4) Can provide internet content to anyone who can receive the broadcast signal which opens up all sorts of possibilities such as targeted emergency alerts

5) Dolby AC-4 Atmos Audio

These advantages will not happen until the requirement that ATSC 1.0 is stopped so it is still a long way off.

I'm not seeing anything in that list that tickles my fancy, not even a little. Those "advantages" are simply gimmicks to attract people that are impressed by smoke and mirrors. The fact is it's going to be the same old stinky content dressed up like a pig in lipstick. I especially like the "Can be received on mobile devices". Maybe it'll revive the old "radio hat" concept and everybody will be walking around with one of these on their noggins.

 

[LocutusOfBorg]

I'm not seeing anything in that list that tickles my fancy, not even a little. Those "advantages" are simply gimmicks to attract people that are impressed by smoke and mirrors. The fact is it's going to be the same old stinky content dressed up like a pig in lipstick. I especially like the "Can be received on mobile devices". Maybe it'll revive the old "radio hat" concept and everybody will be walking around with one of these on their noggins.

Is that available in tin foil?

 

[primestar31]

I'm not seeing anything in that list that tickles my fancy, not even a little. Those "advantages" are simply gimmicks to attract people that are impressed by smoke and mirrors. The fact is it's going to be the same old stinky content dressed up like a pig in lipstick. I especially like the "Can be received on mobile devices". Maybe it'll revive the old "radio hat" concept and everybody will be walking around with one of these on their noggins.

This one means NO MORE MULTIPATH! 8VSB should never have been allowed to be used for terrestrial tv. It's the main reason why it's very hard to receive ATSC 1.0, IF you don't have a clear line of path to the station tower. Any old things in the way such as trees etc, cause no end of trouble. That won't happen with 3.0.

1) Orthogonal frequency-division (OFDM) will provide a much better signal with less interference eliminating issues such as multipath.