BD Live is a Joke!!

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What you and all the "I just want to see the movie" crowd fail to understand is that interactivity is part of the equation that equals next generation format.

This is so true! It's just not about sound and picture quality! Blu Ray needs to get it's stuff together. It does not matter if you want extras or not! It should be there If a person truly wants to immerse one's self in the movie then this is needed! Just because some don't like it or use it does not mean the rest won't also what away to set your self apart from dvd! PICTURE, SOUND and Interactive features!:hungry:
 
JoeSp

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What you and all the "I just want to see the movie" crowd fail to understand is that interactivity is part of the equation that equals next generation format.

A very SMALL part. I want to see the very best picture and hear the best posible sound on my $10,000+ home theater system. DVD is just not going to cut it. And just like I HATE IT when I go to the theater and during the movie someone starts talking on their cell phone I would detest internet activity during my movie viewing.

Now if later I want to see what is up with interactivity and the movie then fine -- but not during the movie. And afterwards if I want to go on the internet I do it with my Quad6600 Nividea9600gt with 24" HD LCD not with my HDTV. Differant strokes for differant folks -- I don't believe Joe6Pack will give a hoot about online activity right now or even in the near future.
 
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Name a product that came out 100% release date.
None, they all go through firmware updates, just like HD-DVD.
But I thought this WAS the firmware update!

Personally, I don't really care about extras too much. I watch them sometimes, I like to have them, but don't watch them all that much. However, imagine the mess people would be in if they tried a firmware upgrade using BD-Live, given it's performance as currently being described. I can imagine a lot of potentially bricked BD players resulting from the problems. For this reason I would never upgrade firmware directly over an internet connection - not for BD, not for HDDVD. But many people might.
 
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More people care about extras than those that care about lossless audio.

So they will get their extras and now some of those extras come in HD on BluRay. We are not talking about extras here, we are talking about the value of interactivity on the net while watching the movie -- which I don't believe is that big of a seller or else HD-DVD would still be around - which it is not.
 
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It seems all this discussion is based on just one person's publicly posted bad experience with the new BD Live that he tried with one particular disc with the PS3. Can anyone else corroborate this guy's experience? Is it the same with other movies? Since his bad experience was based almost entirely on slow download times, wouldn't it be nice to know something more about this guy's internet set-up /connection/speeds (beyond "high-speed DSL") before assuming the new BD Live implementation for the PS3 is a faliure for everyone? I'm not defending BD; I'd just like to know a little more before jumping to conclusions. How many people in this forum make a decision on a major electronics purchase on just a single review, positive or negative?

Also, how does it work with HD DVD? Does HD DVD's interactive features allow you to stream or instantly download (in 30 seconds or less) 3-5 minutes of SD or HD video that's at enough resolution to fill a 50+ inch screen without major artifacting/macroblocking. I just want to see what we are comparing this to.
 
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It seems all this discussion is based on just one person's publicly posted bad experience with the new BD Live that he tried with one particular disc with the PS3. Can anyone else corroborate this guy's experience? Is it the same with other movies? Since his bad experience was based almost entirely on slow download times, wouldn't it be nice to know something more about this guy's internet set-up /connection/speeds (beyond "high-speed DSL") before assuming the new BD Live implementation for the PS3 is a faliure for everyone? I'm not defending BD; I'd just like to know a little more before jumping to conclusions. How many people in this forum make a decision on a major electronics purchase on just a single review, positive or negative?

Also, how does it work with HD DVD? Does HD DVD's interactive features allow you to stream or instantly download (in 30 seconds or less) 3-5 minutes of SD or HD video that's at enough resolution to fill a 50+ inch screen without major artifacting/macroblocking. I just want to see what we are comparing this to.
Below is my post from a few days ago.
Let me guess someone will soon post some BD sympathetic crap like just be patient things are always bumpy in the beginning for early adopters blah blah blah.

Unbelievable
 
Zookster

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Below is my post from a few days ago.


Unbelievable

Though I'm obviously in the BD camp, I was really looking to have a more constructive dialog regarding what the realistic expectations of BD Live are vis-a-vis what the HD DVD interactive experience was like, and if the bad experience referenced in the OP can be considered typical at this point.

Hopefully others on this forum will be willing to have a civil discussion on this.
 
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Personally aside from the typical deleted scenes/bloopers I couldn't care about PiP or BD Live. Same I'm sure goes for J6P who has just now figured out how to use a DVR and stop using VHS. The few people who care about BD-Live are the same who looked to HD online as being a great idea... in reality how many people used the Harry potter interactive movie viewing or how many will use the Saw IV Mo-Blog feature on Blu? I'd rather get HD/Lossless audio and the best picture possible and have little or no features on a cheaper disc then have a BD-Live disc like Walk Hard where the MSRP is about $10 higher than normal because of the need to hook up ethernet to my player (if I had a 2.0 player that is)
 
teamerickson

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Though I'm obviously in the BD camp, I was really looking to have a more constructive dialog regarding what the realistic expectations of BD Live are vis-a-vis what the HD DVD interactive experience was like, and if the bad experience referenced in the OP can be considered typical at this point.

Hopefully others on this forum will be willing to have a civil discussion on this.
It appears typical.

Blu-ray Review: Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story | High-Def Digest
 
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Well, 2.0 is not a bust but it is definately not ready for prime time. I just don't see the reason for it . On HD-DVD you could hold a view party? (am I right here) where one person had control of the movie and folks chatted but no one has really stated how that worked or how well. Also on HD-DVD some studios put in a online shopping store so that you could buy things you saw in the movie online. Oh YEAH, just what I want, ads during the movie directing me to a online site to spend money!!! I might as well go to the theater!!!

Now if this is what all the hoopla is about I say leave it for the nerdy boys. Give me a movie with great PQ and Audio Sound and let the interactive crapola stay on the computer where it needs to be.
 
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Give me a movie with great PQ and Audio Sound and let the interactive crapola stay on the computer where it needs to be.
This is what a lot of people say, but this is one of the features that BD sold the studios on. It's the next level. I wonder how much time before the studios start feeling mislead by BD.
 
Zookster

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This is what a lot of people say, but this is one of the features that BD sold the studios on. It's the next level. I wonder how much time before the studios start feeling mislead by BD.

First the studios need to start providing, and successfully implement, content for BD Live on their films' BD discs. I'm sure they are waiting for more widespread roll out of Profile 2.0 before pushing forward.

That must have been a big selling point: the added marketing oppurtunities afforded by interactivity. Going beyond what JoeSp said, if I want commercials and promos thrown at me in the middle of watching a movie, I'll watch it on network TV. I'm sure that's the kind of experience studios ideally hope to create with home movie watching via BD Live.
 
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I personally don't have problems with BD live.

teamerickson, 90% of your posts in this section are negative posts about BD/ or leads to some negative posts in the thread, if you continue that, might as well just post it in the War-Zone, I am sure the rest of us would appreciate that.
 
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I personally don't have problems with BD live.
teamerickson, 90% of your posts in this section are negative posts about BD/ or leads to some negative posts in the thread, if you continue that, might as well just post it in the War-Zone, I am sure the rest of us would appreciate that.
Another scare away post by a BD fanboy. Need I remind you again what the definition of a forum is. This is getting unreasonable.


Personally aside from the typical deleted scenes/bloopers I couldn't care about PiP or BD Live.
Have you forgotten this is a major point in their advertising. Thus we should expect it to be perfected from day one. Now here we are 2 years later much less day one and BD has the nerve to shove this crap down our throats.
 
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This isn't about BD vs. HD DVD (Hence no War Zone). It's about a weak release of a special feature exclusive to Blu-ray.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/1302289-post18.html

I think the point is that it seems the HD DVD fans are jumping all over this as a kind of "neener, neener, neener, I told you so, BD sucks" rather than engaging in a constructive dialogue over what reasonable expectations of BD Live should be.

Just about any video content, in SD or HD, that fills a 50+ inch TV screen will take some time to download regardless of your set up or internet speed. Based on people's experience, what kind of experience should BD shoot for that wouldn't garner complaints and frustration, assuming the average high-speed internet user is only getting 1.5-3 Mbs max?
 
chicagofilms

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BD-Live is a joke? OK, but what about the guy spending 20 minutes trying to grab the trailer for MIB? Are the masses really clamoring to buy a $400 player, pull an ethernet cable to it, and then sit and download a trailer for a ten year old movie?

I've said for a long time most people will not give a crap about interactivity on a player. Extras are a niche product and most people pay no attention to them.

The average person will buy a dedicated player.
The average person will NOT go through the hassle of pulling or having an ethernet cable pulled to their movie player.

Most of the country still has relatively slow internet access, many still on dial up. Just because most of the people on these forums have a 5mbps+ connection, you can't use that as the rule. So for the majority of people that will buy a BD player, unusably slow internet connections will toss BD-Live out the window right off the bat.

What are the benefits?

1. Download a trailer? People skip trailers that are already included on DVD, they have done so since VHS. If you have broadband & care about trailers, you will check them out on your computer.

2. To play cheesy and crappy games? Kids may like that, but kids will also probably have a game system and/or computer too & will rather play a "real" game. Are people going to toss out their 360 or PS3 to play a Java game with a BD player remote? Not likely.

3. To chat with a friend while watching a movie using the player's remote? There are already much better methods to achieve this, like a telephone, text messaging, or a computer. And come to think of it, I've never thought about or known anyone who has ever felt the need to do this. It's annoying enough when people talk during a film, now we want IM's popping up on the screen?

4. OK, I almost forgot the most important benefit of the online experience..... TO SEND A GODZILLA RINGTONE TO YOUR PHONE!!! :rolleyes:

Without going into how horrible that movie was, how Devlin & Emmerich almost killed a 50 year old icon, and the fact that nobody bought it on DVD or wants it in HD, is there one person on the face of the planet that will go through all the hassle of wiring up a player to get a ringtone?

I just can't see any example at all where I'd ever want or use BD-Live.
 

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