Blind Scanning Radio Mux?

[DFC]

I'm blind scanning the radio mux on AMC3 (4043/7140) with a Traxis DBS-3500. It does the job quite well, with one really tough exception. It only finds 16 of the audio PIDs on that mux, and I know for certain that there are a lot more than 16 audio channels on that mux.

Is this a limitation of the DBS-3500? Is it a common limitation of all the FTA boxes? Is there some trick I can use to scan for the other PIDs on the mux? Am I not holding my tongue right?

Anybody got an exhaustive list of the audio PIDS on that mux?

Thanks!

D.

 

[Diamond Jim]

DFC,

Are you sure you are on AMC 3? I have made numerous scans on 3 with no results. Sometimes I have G28 bleed over on to AMC 3, could this be possible. If you are sure you are on AMC 3, what polarity did you use?

 

[DFC]

DFC,

Are you sure you are on AMC 3? I have made numerous scans on 3 with no results. Sometimes I have G28 bleed over on to AMC 3, could this be possible. If you are sure you are on AMC 3, what polarity did you use?

Yes, it's AMC-3. 4043 H, Symbol Rate 7140.

D.

 

[Diamond Jim]

FOUND IT!

I only pick up one religous channel on the Traxis. The Quali scanned 11, but they show no signal when I try to pull them up.

 

[DFC]

FOUND IT!

I only pick up one religous channel on the Traxis. The Quali scanned 11, but they show no signal when I try to pull them up.

On the Traxis, it will find only one "radio channel." Go to the Audio menu and there are 16 different audio PIDs. Like I said, there are a lot more than that on that mux.

D.

 

[Diamond Jim]

Got 'em. 16 is all I got also. Found out they are sub channels. I don't mess with the radio side that often and I forget about that.

 

[Mr Tony]

When I scan them with the Pansat I get 20 apids which I think is the max on the Pansat

 

[DFC]

When I scan them with the Pansat I get 20 apids which I think is the max on the Pansat

Find any apids that aren't already on "the list"?

D.

 

[scottc98]

pid list

6950 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
6912 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
290 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
280 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
3719 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
7249 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
1000 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
8000 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
1276 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
1746 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
4093 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
2592 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
5587 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
5069 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
1286 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
2703 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
2593 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
4737 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
750 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
700 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
5029 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
261 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
102 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
6346 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
8076 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
4972 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1
5634 MPEG-2 Audio for program 1

****EDIT****

some of these may be dead air. Either way, they are all of the audio pids that show up on the mux

 

[ACRadio]

These are old names from the list I made several years ago but I crossed them to the current PID list the best I could. One notable exception is the Focus On The Family channels that are no longer here.

0102 Salem Radio Network Channel 6
0261 USA Radio Network Channel 1
0280 VCY America Channel 1
0290 VCY America Channel 2
0700 Ave Maria Radio
0750 Christian Broadcasting Channel 2
1000 Calvary Satellite Network International 2
1276 Moody Broadcast Network Channel 1
1286 Calvary Satellite Network International 1
1746 Moody Broadcast Network Channel 2 (WMBI Chicago)
2592 Salem Radio Network Channel 4
2593 Salem Radio Network Channel 5
2703 USA Radio Network Channel 3
3719 Salem Music Network Format B (The Word in Praise)
4093 Salem Radio Network News
4737 Salem Radio Network Channel 1
4972 Salem Radio Network Channel 2
5029 Salem Radio Network Channel 3
5069 Family Life Radio Network
5587 Salem Music Network Format C (Solid Gospel)
5634 USA Radio Network Channel 2
6346 USA Radio Network Channel 4
6912 Skylight Satellite Network
6950 Relevant Radio
7249 Salem Music Network Format A (Today’s Christian Music)
8000 Christian Broadcasting Channel 1
8076 Skylight Satellite Network 2

 

[DFC]

pid list

****EDIT****

some of these may be dead air. Either way, they are all of the audio pids that show up on the mux

Thanks, scottc98. Just out of curiosity, what did you use to extract that pid list?

Thanks!

D.

 

[B.J.]

I'm curious what he used too. I made a similar list with TSREADER, but the channels were in a different order. There is no SDT in that mux, so the channel names aren't there, but I noticed that in the "Language" slot, there is a 3 digit abbreviation, which seems to correspond to the channel names posted above, at least for 3 or 4 that I checked.
A TSREADER generated (edited with Excel) list is:

AMC MPEG-2 Audio PID 700: Bitrate 96 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
CB1 MPEG-2 Audio PID 800: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
CB2 MPEG-2 Audio PID 750: Bitrate 96 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
CS1 MPEG-2 Audio PID 128: Bitrate 96 Kbps Sample Rate 32 KHz
CS2 MPEG-2 Audio PID 100: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
IU1 MPEG-2 Audio PID 261: Bitrate 96 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
IU2 MPEG-2 Audio PID 563: Bitrate 96 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
IU3 MPEG-2 Audio PID 270: Bitrate 96 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
IU4 MPEG-2 Audio PID 634: Bitrate 96 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
LF1 MPEG-2 Audio PID 506: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
MB1 MPEG-2 Audio PID 127: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
MB2 MPEG-2 Audio PID 174: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
RR1 MPEG-2 Audio PID 695: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
SK2 MPEG-2 Audio PID 807: Bitrate 96 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
SKY MPEG-2 Audio PID 691: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
SMA MPEG-2 Audio PID 724: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
SMB MPEG-2 Audio PID 371: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
SMC MPEG-2 Audio PID 558: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
SNN MPEG-2 Audio PID 409: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
SR1 MPEG-2 Audio PID 473: Bitrate 96 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
SR2 MPEG-2 Audio PID 497: Bitrate 96 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
SR3 MPEG-2 Audio PID 502: Bitrate 96 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
SR4 MPEG-2 Audio PID 259: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
SR5 MPEG-2 Audio PID 259: Bitrate 96 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
SR6 MPEG-2 Audio PID 102: Bitrate 96 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
VC1 MPEG-2 Audio PID 280: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
VC2 MPEG-2 Audio PID 290: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz

Note above isn't the order from TSREADER, but sorted alphabetically.

 

[scottc98]

Used tsreader.

I think that the order can be random based on when you opened the pid list