One half season does not a career make....give it up.vurbano said:Bingo. He gives up the ball almost twice a game. 2 less offensive drives for the team and two extra for the opposition. The interceptions are what destroy his stats. With the parity in the league today he cant win like that. The game has passed him by.
pradike said:One half season does not a career make....give it up.
And Aikman is NOT one of the big three, and never could be. A domer QB with 5 HOF players around him and average talent himself - not even in the top 3 in ANY stat.
vurbano said:The measure of a QB is not stats. Its rings and winning. Not yardage. There is no Quaterback Id rather start in a big game than Aikman or Bradshaw. Ive seen Aikman throw huge touchdown passes after being knocked silly to the point that he didnt remember them the next day. When Aikman had the oppurtunity he won, so did Terry. When Favre had it he lost one, and won one and chose to go get high on Vicodan and booze it up. He couldnt carry Troy or Terry's jock strap.
pradike said:Let me simplify things even further...
If Favre plays 1-2 more years, he has the potential to be #1 in virtually every QB category period. And he will have done it in less years than Marino and Elway. And unlike Marino, he's been to 2 Superbowls and won 1. Based on those facts, the interception stat is virtually meaningless and he would be the best of all time. End of story - set and match.
Montana was a great one also. The point is brett is not on the same podium and these multiple SB winners sorry.NightRyder said:Agree with Bradshaw but I'd take Montana over Aikman for the big game.
Which is why you're not an NFL coach and never will be. :devil:vurbano said:....I wouldnt start him for fear he'd lose me the ball game.
You've said it best so far!!! :upSpike said:My reasons are not from the diminished skills arguement or from the point of view that says, "Brett has no talent around him." I think he is done because his eyes say it!
I have a lifetime of memories to last me well beyond the 15 years that Brett dedicated himself to this great game. I will treasure every one of them... And the game just isn't the same without them.
So, I tip my hat to Brett (and to Deon Sanders for that matter too, who may also retire this year.) Brett can play for as long as he would like in my book. He has earned the right to retire on his own terms.
pradike said:We're all just lucky enough to have witnessed them play.
Williams, Simms, Plunkett, Theisman....????vurbano said:Top 5 QB's of all time based on what matters most. Not yards/TDs or any of stat boys garbage. Who would you have start the big one? The guys that win the bigs ones
1. Bradshaw/ Montana/ Aikman/Brady
4. Doug Williams, Brett Favre, Phil Sims, Theisman and everyone else with a SB win
Blah Blah Blahvurbano said:What is out of whack is your fixation on worthless stats. NO owner or coach would chose a quarterback if they knew he would have great stats and win a SB over a QB that would win 3 or 4 superbowls. Clearly you have lost all of the marbles you had left. Decent QB's make the playoffs. Great ones win big games in the playoffs. And the greatest ones win multiple times. Favre is the typical QB that won one big game despite his glaring flaws because a great defense and the other offensive players that carried him. Thats why he could only do it once and that is why he is no more great than say Williams or Sims.