Cinema 10 HD - Reviews of Film Transfer

[Sean Mota]

Don, I am taking the liberty to post your point of view of the OAR issue with VOOM. I hope you don't mind...

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The issue is all about your own world you live in when viewing these movies in the home. If you had a real home theater with big screen you would quickly change your position
For the most part TV set viewers using 4:3 and 16x9 TV sets will have a much higher degree of ignorance to the issue of OAR as compared to the Home theater enthusiasts who are more educated in the subject of movies and Home theater equipment. The typical mind set of the TV set viewer is like that of JimP who just posted: "Personally, I'd rather have a slightly cropped picture filling my 16:9 screen." Jim may or may not realize that he has that control himself. He didn't state except for his desire of what to watch.
I say you are not fully aware of your receiver's capability to do that for you leaving the movie uncensored for those who wish to see all of it. It is the price we have to pay for your ignorance that you believe that the provider has to censor the movie for you.

The vast majority of Home theater enthusiasts have voted in the past overwhelmingly for OAR format because these people have the appreciation for the whole movie and do understand that if they wish to fill their 16x8 screen they can do it easily themselves with their standard STB setups. Pan and scan it won't do, but 99.999% of everything you will see with your own STB setup for 16x9 fill screen mode will look fine to you TV Set mindsets because you really don't care about anything except NOT seeing the black areas of your screen. Let us movie buffs and true Home theater big screen enthusiasts see the movie without provider censorship!
Let the TV Set people censor it if they want. Sorry if you have to learn how to do that. A little education isn't all that painful.

In ref to the overscan issue, tis true but that, again, is for the TV SET systems. Front projection systems don't have to be calibrated that way and usually aren't. We see everything desirable on the screen.

Hearing this about VOOM kills it for me too.
edit- manfred- says not all so maybe there's hope yet. It could be that VOMM just purchased some available masters for air and really didn't spec it the way MC does at HDNet Movies. They probably just picked up what's off the shelf! Wait and see for final verdict. Maybe Matt or Alan can get to someone who understands the topic and can state the VOOM policy for us.

Did you know that a transfer of a movie with P&S HBO style costs 15-30 times in labor and suite time what a transfer with only minor CC added in OAR? Think of the programming that we could have if that budget could be applied to purchase of more movies rather than censoring a movie because the average TV set owner doesn't understand how to adjust his set for screen fill.

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Don Landis

 

[rtt2]

Typical Cablevision stupidness. Its things like this (Pan & Scan) that really defeats efforts fors for a HD service in the first place. To tell you the truth I am really not suprised they would do something like this. Cablevision always seems to shoot themselves in the foot.

 

[rudolpht]

Matt,
We know you are Dish 921 bound with little interest in Voom. (I'm 921 bound and very interested in Voom). I'm also a big OAR fan, and there are some options for aspect ratios. We'll see if you have the same tude if Starz or Cinemax or TMC crop a subset of movies, and can only assume you don't have HBO because of there slash and hack policy. For Cinema 10 you can blame Voom, but most other feeds blame the originating content providers.

Thanks for trolling by
Tim

OK, let's get something straight. Never assume anything because assuming is dangerous. For reasons I won't get into here I became very interested in Voom. I started reading up on it and became excited by it. But when I heard they were cropping material for their channels that interest turned to anger. And now I won't even consider adding Voom to my home. I won't pay for a company stupid enough to do the exact opposite of what most HDTV owners want.

I have HBO and refuse to watch any cropped content. I would drop them if they did not get the vast majority of the good films. Anything shot 1.85:1 or Super35 will look fine on HBO and won't be butchered by the loss of a 3rd of the image. I have written and faxed HBO numerous times about their cropping policy and not once have they responded. Cinemax is owned by HBO and will also crop their films. I am not getting the channel when it hits E* since it's just HBO on a different channel.

If Starz crops their broadcasts then we HD lovers are screwed because pan & scan will become the HD standard and that will be a travesty.

Well as all movies are not cropped on Voom, you should not dismiss it and approach it the way you approach HBO.

 

[Matt_Stevens]

Why shouldn't I? We have an actual employe at Voom posting at AVS about exactly what is happening. Many have called Voom complaining and were rudely rebuffed. That's not the way to win the hearts and minds of HD enthusiasts.

 

[rudolpht]

Consistency?

If you order HBO but don't watch 95% of the movies on it, Voom (as a service) vs a content provider except in the case of the Cinema/Theme channels, is apples and oranges. You want to find the chink in the armor vs the whole package. Fine. Keep trolling.

 

[Matt_Stevens]

Calling me a troll is way out of line, pal. There is a difference between subscribing to a channel via a system you already own and have invested in vs. spending nearly one thousand dollars on a brand new delivery system that is cropping from the start! I'm being completely consistent with my views here.

And I watch far more than 95% of the movies on HBO. In the next two weeks I will be recording 14 films onto D-VHS. All but one will be OAR (1.78:1 anda couple older 2.35:1 transfers). The last remaning title, True Lies, will air in an unknown aspect ratio. If it is cropped, I won't watch it.

The only trolls are intolerant people like you who attack those of us with differing points of views.

 

[Sean Mota]

Cinema 9: Jason's Lyric a 1994. Awesome PQ! So far there has been two movies that I have seen with this type of PQ on Cinema 10. The others were not of the same quality because of the condition of the original film or a poor transfer. This one is awesome...

 

[rudolpht]

The ignore feature works great. It's bad enough to Voom bash in 921 poll topics, it's even more onnerous when folks that don't have the system denigrate a HD focused provider in it's own forum.

Tim

 

[Sean Mota]

Cinema 9: South Central a 1992 film. This film transfer I first saw on HDnet Movies and it was excellent. I just saw it again in Cinema 9.
Same comment. Excellent tranfer and very good movie. I would recommend this movie.

In a nutshell, it looks like Cinema 10 will provide PQ as good as the movie transfer is. I am sure that if Cinema 10 gets a better selection of movies (movies from the last five years), Cinema 10 will be praised as the must have movie channel. No doubt about PQ. It is just a matter of getting more recent movies.

 

[Matt_Stevens]

rudolph can ignore me all he likes, but I was simply speaking the truth. No forum should be censored. If the truth hurts, so be it.

 

[Sean Mota]

Cinema 1: Cleopatra Jones and the Casino of Gold. I started watching this movie and saw that at the beginning it was keeping the OAR. But by the time the movie started, the movie was cropped.

 

[Sean Mota]

I saw another movie in Cinema 1--Tank Girl-- that was OAR when it started. As soon as all the introductory credits were done, the aspect ratio changed to filled (cropped) the entire movie. I have to agree that when it was in its OAR, the picture quality looked much better than filling (cropping) the entire screen.

 

[Matt_Stevens]

That's because they are taking widescreen transfers and then zooming them, rather than doing pan & scan transfers in the Telecine bay. This always results in a grainer, softer image. It's just disgraceful that Voom, HBO or anyone else is doing this.

 

[Sean Mota]

Cinema 10: Operation Daybreak - a 1976 film. Great movie and great film tranfer. Sound is low and loud in some portion of the movies. But it is a great movie if you have not seen it.

 

[Sean Mota]

Cinema 10: Molly Now Playing...

Excellent PQ and excellent movie... I'll recommend...

 

[Sean Mota]

Cinema 10 - The Fantasticks

I have to say I am not much into musicals but this musical movie is a must see. The Fantasticks has a fabulous HD transfer and music is beautiful in DD5.1

Showing now on Cinema 8

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[Sean Mota]

Cinema 10 Alert: The Woman in Red Today!

A good movie today on Cinema 9... Really liked it before and hope to enjoy it more now...

 

[Sean Mota]

I saw bits and pieces of this movie tonight! I have to sit and watch it from beginning to end to make a fair assessment of the film transfer. But I thought that there were parts that looked good but others did not. If you saw it can you comment on the PQ.

 

[Sean Mota]

I take it back now that I am watching it more relaxed, it looks kind of good and the sound is perfect.

 

[Sean Mota]

Holy Crap!! Cinema 10 is showing OAR!!!

Cinema 8: Bette Midler is Divine Madness