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Cord cutters will not subscribe to this - you can't be a sports fan and a cord cutter, at least not yet, because there is too much content that is only available from traditional cable/satellite providers. i.e. you can't watch everything on ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU via ESPN+.
But you can watch ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU with streaming services vs traditional cable/satellite providers. Pretty much anything available via the traditional route is available via streaming or "cutting the cord" as many call it (correct or not).
 
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All I need is Baseball, College and Pro Football, the first two are handled and soon I will be able to torture myself and watch the Lions again.
Its pretty easy to "move" with YTTV to a market that has what you want as far as NFL teams. I did it this past weekend to get the Pats/Dolphins, and as soon as it was over, I changed my current viewing area back to my home location.
 

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Can we talk about how streaming is technically in-home only? It is technically illegal to stream in public. It has been hinted at in this thread but not directly addressed. Bars can not legally stream Amazon, unless that law is changed. Or ESPN+ or any of those apps/streamers.

Most streaming services outsource the business sales. Joe Hand Promotions handles a good chunk of them. ESPN+, UFC, PGA Tour Live, major DAZN fights etc are all on DirecTV for commercial sales.

If Amazon does get Sunday Ticket I can still see them feeding businesses via DirecTV (with no residential sales). Streaming 8+ games at the same time would require a very good internet connection, have to be wired etc. Bars pay big bucks for NFL ST and no way Amazon wouldn’t want that money.

The only major commercial sports streaming that does stream is Peacock. The Soccer games are on “Pub Pass” and uses a Fire TV, which was ironic as peacock itself wasn’t on Fire TV for a long time. The smaller ones may offer streaming too but the major players definitely outsource and use DirecTV.

Should have a better idea next year with Thursday Night Football on Amazon. No way that is not offered as a pay service to bars. My $$$ is they use DirecTV but with it being only one game at a time could see them test the waters with streaming.


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That is true.

Good luck enforcing it.

A DirecTV box is a physical thing. It must be in a place. DirecTV, in most cases, owns it and knows where it is. It can easily distinguish between commercial and residential accounts.

A smart TV, or some customer streaming something from his cell phone, is not. Short of placing ASCAP like spies in millions of bars and other hang outs, there is no way to keep somebody from watching what they want on a residential account.

Will big national chains and the casinos pay up? Sure. They have something to lose. Will Joe’s Bar on the corner, with a local customer base? No.

And then there is the issue of the internet itself. Lots of retail zoned places have a great view of the southern sky from the roof. But no internet service. And really no need to pay someone for internet service. Its a bar, not a library.

It is quite easy to enforce, because bars that have NFLST will advertise it. Directv only knows where receivers are if they're connected to the internet, which is not required.

Nothing stops someone from bringing their home receivers to their bar so they can pay $300 for NFLST instead of thousands, other than the threat of being sued for six figures if they're caught. And a few stupid bar owners are caught doing this EVERY YEAR, and most of them end up going out of business from a fine of that size.

Unless you carry NFLST but think you can keep it secret by never advertising that fact you're going to get caught. Even if you don't advertise it you can't be sure you won't get caught. You just need one angry customer or upset competitor to blow the whistle.
 

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But you can watch ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU with streaming services vs traditional cable/satellite providers. Pretty much anything available via the traditional route is available via streaming or "cutting the cord" as many call it (correct or not).

Only via services that are essentially "cable TV over the internet" like Sling TV or AT&T TV/Directv Stream. I don't consider people who go that route "cord cutters" because they are watching the same old cable/satellite packages via a different delivery method.

If you don't subscribe to something like that, you can't watch everything on ESPN because ESPN+ doesn't carry everything that's on ESPN's broadcast networks.
 
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Most streaming services outsource the business sales. Joe Hand Promotions handles a good chunk of them. ESPN+, UFC, PGA Tour Live, major DAZN fights etc are all on DirecTV for commercial sales.

If Amazon does get Sunday Ticket I can still see them feeding businesses via DirecTV (with no residential sales). Streaming 8+ games at the same time would require a very good internet connection, have to be wired etc. Bars pay big bucks for NFL ST and no way Amazon wouldn’t want that money.

The only major commercial sports streaming that does stream is Peacock. The Soccer games are on “Pub Pass” and uses a Fire TV, which was ironic as peacock itself wasn’t on Fire TV for a long time. The smaller ones may offer streaming too but the major players definitely outsource and use DirecTV.

Should have a better idea next year with Thursday Night Football on Amazon. No way that is not offered as a pay service to bars. My $$$ is they use DirecTV but with it being only one game at a time could see them test the waters with streaming.


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I do see the streaming programs on Directv you mentioned above now, and the boxing events from the premiums are there, too. Those events are on channels in the 9530s. Good call with Thursday Night Football, we'll see what happens there.
 

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It is quite easy to enforce, because bars that have NFLST will advertise it.

Not really. Many neighborhood bars do no advertising at all. The patrons simply expect what they expect.
Directv only knows where receivers are if they're connected to the internet, which is not required.
Technically, correct. But the dish itself is a physical thing, a known item. A smart TV? PROVE I streamed the game last Thrusday.
Nothing stops someone from bringing their home receivers to their bar so they can pay $300 for NFLST instead of thousands, other than the threat of being sued for six figures if they're caught. And a few stupid bar owners are caught doing this EVERY YEAR, and most of them end up going out of business from a fine of that size.

Unless you carry NFLST but think you can keep it secret by never advertising that fact you're going to get caught. Even if you don't advertise it you can't be sure you won't get caught. You just need one angry customer or upset competitor to blow the whistle.
Yeah, selling drugs is illegal too. How is that working out?
 
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Not really. Many neighborhood bars do no advertising at all. The patrons simply expect what they expect.

Technically, correct. But the dish itself is a physical thing, a known item. A smart TV? PROVE I streamed the game last Thrusday.

Yeah, selling drugs is illegal too. How is that working out?

By the same token I could say: PROVE I showed NFLST via a home receiver last Sunday. A bar could have Directv and just not pay for NFLST because they can't afford / don't want to pay the extra few thousand dollars even a pretty small place is charged, which would explain the dish on the roof. The existence of a dish is no proof. It might be years since it was used last, but having a dish doesn't show if/when it was used. There's no law against me buying and installing a Directv dish even if I have never subscribed to Directv. It might be treated with suspicion, but by itself is not proof that would hold up in court.

If anything it would be easier to prove a bar streamed the game last Thursday, because Amazon's logs will have all the Amazon Prime customer usernames and IP addresses that streamed the game, and streaming devices identify themselves via the app used. Match one of those IP addresses to the bar and you can prove someone there streamed it. Now maybe it was a customer using wifi and watching it on their phone, but if the logs show something like "LG OLED smart TV using Amazon Prime app" or "Apple TV using Amazon app" they've got you dead to rights with proof beyond a reasonable doubt (and you only need "preponderance of the evidence" for a civil suit under copyright law)
 

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By the same token I could say: PROVE I showed NFLST via a home receiver last Sunday. A bar could have Directv and just not pay for NFLST because they can't afford / don't want to pay the extra few thousand dollars even a pretty small place is charged, which would explain the dish on the roof. The existence of a dish is no proof. It might be years since it was used last, but having a dish doesn't show if/when it was used. There's no law against me buying and installing a Directv dish even if I have never subscribed to Directv. It might be treated with suspicion, but by itself is not proof that would hold up in court.

If anything it would be easier to prove a bar streamed the game last Thursday, because Amazon's logs will have all the Amazon Prime customer usernames and IP addresses that streamed the game, and streaming devices identify themselves via the app used. Match one of those IP addresses to the bar and you can prove someone there streamed it. Now maybe it was a customer using wifi and watching it on their phone, but if the logs show something like "LG OLED smart TV using Amazon Prime app" or "Apple TV using Amazon app" they've got you dead to rights with proof beyond a reasonable doubt (and you only need "preponderance of the evidence" for a civil suit under copyright law)
All they need is a witness with a camera

A patron of the bar
 

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A quick Google says there are 60K bars in the USA
So 60k bars times $700+ for NFL ST (for business)

That's not counting casinos, hotels , and other small,medium or large businesses ... $$$

According to a 3rd party/auth D* dealer website this is the price but it varies depending on viewing adience/fire code as mentioned earlier in this thread


"..2021 NFL SUNDAY TICKET retail price is $650 (Business Viewing) and $550 (Private Viewing)."

Again 3rd part site



If you Google "NFL sunday ticket for business " one of the links is a PDF link with 2019 pricing and you can see the rates ...

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"..2021 NFL SUNDAY TICKET retail price is $650 (Business Viewing) and $550 (Private Viewing)."


"Business viewing" is not what bars pay. That's what you'd pay if you wanted to have NFLST on the TV in the break room at say a call center that's open 24x7.

Public viewing rates are what you want to look at if you want to know what bars/restaurants pay.
 
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"Business viewing" is not what bars pay. That's what you'd pay if you wanted to have NFLST on the TV in the break room at say a call center that's open 24x7.

Public viewing rates are what you want to look at if you want to know what bars/restaurants pay.
Yea my point was that they truly make big $$ on commercial side


Regardless of consumer side and cord cutters

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So 60k bars times $700+ for NFL ST (for business)

That's not counting casinos, hotels , and other small,medium or large businesses ... $$$

According to a 3rd party/auth D* dealer website this is the price but it varies depending on viewing adience/fire code as mentioned earlier in this thread


"..2021 NFL SUNDAY TICKET retail price is $650 (Business Viewing) and $550 (Private Viewing)."

Again 3rd part site



If you Google "NFL sunday ticket for business " one of the links is a PDF link with 2019 pricing and you can see the rates ...

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I thought that was the Base price and it went up according to how many people you could legally have in the bar ?
 
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However, I see this coming change as a GOOD change because it is likely that LACK of exclusivity will allow MORE MVPD's or Streaming Services or OTT MVDP"s (Like YouTube TV and Sling TV as examples) to offer NFL ST at lower cost to football fans, and they won't necessarily have to change providers to enjoy NFL ST
There’s no need for one streaming service to offer another streaming service when customers can directly subscribe to NFLST. They don’t currently offer the other professional league streaming packages.
If they get cable..they can get internet
But is it fast and reliable internet?
If Amazon does get Sunday Ticket I can still see them feeding businesses via DirecTV
I agree. NFLST will end up like the other professional league streaming services, all available both via streaming and via cable/satellite.
 
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I thought that was the Base price and it went up according to how many people you could legally have in the bar ?

Pretty sure the base price for public viewing is over $1000, and goes up rapidly as capacity increases. I have been paying over $10K a season for a while now.
 
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