dish 1000+ issues with 129 and bad rain fade

[lovemymac]

OK i ordered a dish 1000+ in hopes of a better signal.
every since the install my readings are not any better or very little better then they were with my old 1000.

Also i have severe rain fade. Every time it has rained even just a little since my new install i lose my channels. Not only 129 but 110 and 119.

here are my readings any help would be appreactied
Anyway here are my readings before the install with a standard dish 1000 not 1000.2
110 1 57
110 2 67
110 4 32
119 04 62
119 03 72
119 02 64
119 01 86

129 01 39
129 02 45
129 04 53

satellite then transponder then the signal meter reading.

now with the 1000+ up here are my new readings.

110 1 59
110 2 72
110 4 30
119 04 71
119 03 63
119 02 70-74 back and forth
119 01 80

129 01 40-42
129 02 47-50
129 04 55



I tried getting dish to bring me out and install a seperate antenna for 129 they showed up with a dish 300 and said i can install this but it wont make a difference and that they would not warrant it or pay for another install if this did not work.
But the installer said if i wanted to buy a bigger dish since i use to be an installer and still can buy wholesale that i could go pick up a 36" dish and then he would come back and install it for me. but then he said i dont know if you can use a 30 or 36in dish with a dish pro LNB

Ok that is fine if that will help then great. But there still is the issue that i jumped to a bigger dish with little or no signal gain. then the rain fade issue.

any experts help would be great

 

[Liquidforce88]

First where are you at?
Second is it a Dish1000+ or a Dish1000.2?
Need signal strength on transponder 11 for 110 & 119
Need Signal strength on transponders 17 & 32 for 129

Then I can answer better.

 

[lovemymac]

i am in the kansas city DMA
my old dish was a dish 1000 and the new is a dish 1000+. I had to order international channels to get the dish.

129 transponder 17 is 55
32 is 50-51
110 11 is 64
119 11 is 67

 

[comcast]

Dishpro LNB is compatible with 36" dish.

Use a flat-head screw driver to crack the plastic case open, then it will let you get a hold of its neck.

 

[RandallA]

i am in the kansas city DMA
my old dish was a dish 1000 and the new is a dish 1000+. I had to order international channels to get the dish.

129 transponder 17 is 55
32 is 50-51
110 11 is 64
119 11 is 67

Those are good signal levels for the 3 satellites. Any chance you have a bad connectors or cable?

They sell the 24'' or 30'' dishes with the D-tube for Dish Pro lnbs.

 

[lovemymac]

If this is a good signal why do i lose everything when it rains? if its just a little rain that signal meter drops to about 20. I can be clear out but raining and i lose signal. This just sucks.
PLus i was getting this good with my smaller 1000 dish. should not the dish 1000+ get a better signal?

 

[RandallA]

If this is a good signal why do i lose everything when it rains? if its just a little rain that signal meter drops to about 20. I can be clear out but raining and i lose signal. This just sucks.
PLus i was getting this good with my smaller 1000 dish. should not the dish 1000+ get a better signal?

Well you could try peaking your dish and squeeze a few more points but I doubt that's the problem. You are supossed to lose signal at 10 not at 20. Are there any branches or trees? Where is the dish located?

I had problems with my initial install where the dish was to close to the roof and everytime it rained, the splashing on the roof killed the signal. I moved it up higher and the problem stopped.

 

[lovemymac]

Its mounted on the side of the house about 7 feet up. No trees no nothing its got a perfect clear line of sight.
I understand the rain fade issue if its pouring raining but not when a little clouds or some light rain comes about.
Se my whole reason for getting the 1000+ was better signal yet i get the same and worse on some transponders then with the smaller dish.

Im thinking about putting a 36in dish up for 129 and then putting up a 24in dish for 110 and 24in for 119. at the least a new dish for 129.

 

[Jayhawk04]

I'm in the KC DMA as well... My numbers are just 1-2 points lower than yours on 129... with a 1000.2 and I don't have problems with fade.

 

[lovemymac]

you would think a 1000+ would get a much better signal since its a bigger dish.
What could be causing the 129 drop out if your in the same area and not having these issues?

 

[mdwatt]

I had the same problem. I had a 1000 and put up a 1000+ and my signal strength was higher by a couple point just like yours, but the rain fade was worse. So I ended up going to a 1000.2, again with pretty much the same signal levels, and it does pretty well. It still goes out when it rains ( as all satellite TV does), but not as bad as with the 1000+. I wondered if it had to do with the DPP44 being required with the 1000+. Maybe it cuases the signal to lose enough dBs to make a difference? I dunno. See, how well your signal holds up during rain isn't just determined by your signal strength as it appears on your receiver, but also the amount of intensity that signal carries. It's kind of like volts vs. amps in electricity. Your volts = signal and amps = dBs. You may be getting a good reading on your signal, but if your dBs are low, then it won't matter. The dBs can drop for any number of a hundred reasons, like a long cable run, too many splices, bad fittings, dirty electricity...it's hard to tell. There aren't too many pieces of equipment on the market that can measure dBs in a satellite signal either. The only one I know of is a Super Buddy, and they're about 500 bucks. And even if you KNEW that you had low dBs, what do you do about it? The best thing would be to replace all the cable from the dish to the back of your receiver, if possible. That would probably help. Anywho....that's my 2 cents.

 

[lovemymac]

I have read of people using a dish 1000 and putting 129 in the center port and seeing if that would work or if i should just jump to a 30 or 36in dish for 129. Then figure id use the 1000+ for the 110 and 119. Or see if dish will replace the 1000+ with a 1000.2 or something.

Is there anyway around using the DP44 switch if i dont use the 129 and 118 sats on the 1000+?

 

[WiCkeDuDe]

Your not going to get much more signal for 129 than what you have by going to a bigger dish. If you have clear LOS as you say I would think you might a bad connector or cable. Anything that gets hit by the rain water, this acts like a shorting out cable connection to me, expecially if you have a DPP44 with power inserter, etc. I would check your cables and connections though you dont seem to want to. Your signal levels are actually pretty good. Mine are less and I do not have the fade problem at all.

 

[Liquidforce88]

i am in the kansas city DMA
my old dish was a dish 1000 and the new is a dish 1000+. I had to order international channels to get the dish.

129 transponder 17 is 55
32 is 50-51
110 11 is 64
119 11 is 67

Ok I have a modified Superdish pointed at the 129. I get 63 on 17 and 57 on 32. I have a Dish500 for my 110 & 119. 110 is 61 and 119 is 67. I have no problems with rain fade.

You have other issues with your system. I would bet that you have a connection someplace that is about to rust out. They will do this signals will be fine on the nice sunny day. The least bit of weather and the signals drop out.

The 1000+ really will not have better signal than a 1000.2. Although it is a bigger dish it is picking up signal from 4 locations. The main collection area is for the 118, because it is a lower power FSS satellite. Basically I have found the only one that gets a better signal is the 119.

 

[nolan 1]

Im just got dish and have a dish 1000+ and i get rain fade as soon as it starts to sprinkle, very frusterating!! and all of my connectors are brand new inside and out.

 

[RandallA]

118.7 is a FSS satellite. If I remember correctly, FSS satellites have more rain fade.

Also, are you guys using the DPP44 switch? In the 1000+ literature, it says:
" All DISH 1000+ will need to be installed with a DPP 44 switch. "

Doing a little search on 118.7, it seems that people are having trouble with dropouts.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-hd-discussions/84627-118-signal-strength.html

 

[nolan 1]

118.7 is a FSS satellite. If I remember correctly, FSS satellites have more rain fade.

Also, are you guys using the DPP44 switch? In the 1000+ literature, it says:
" All DISH 1000+ will need to be installed with a DPP 44 switch. "

Doing a little search on 118.7, it seems that people are having trouble with dropouts.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-hd-discussions/84627-118-signal-strength.html

I have no idea what the DPP 44 switch is?
a Dish tech installed the dish and all the equipment so i have no idea what stuff he used. Is there anyway of telling if he did use theDPP 44 switch?
thanks

 

[RandallA]

Here's a picture of it:

Tech Portal : (choose receiver model) : Equipment : DISH Pro Home Page : DISH Pro DP34 Switch

You can also see the equipment you have by going into Menu, 6, 1, 3 and look under h device.

 

[nolan 1]

Here's a picture of it:

Tech Portal : (choose receiver model) : Equipment : DISH Pro Home Page : DISH Pro DP34 Switch

You can also see the equipment you have by going into Menu, 6, 1, 3 and look under h device.

Yes it does look like i have the DpP 44 switch.
thanks for the info and help

 

[RandallA]

Yes it does look like i have the DpP 44 switch.
thanks for the info and help

You're welcome. I just think it's a problem with 118.7 being a FSS satellite. We don't hear too many complaints about it because the 1000+ is fairly new and it's installed for Intl. and some markets.