Dish and UPN

[trido]

Does anyone get their UPN local via SAT.

My son just noticed last nite that we dont have Smackdown.
I looked sure enough DISh doesnt have my local UPN station to go with all the reg networks.

Trido

 

[ShadowEKU]

They dont carry mine either but on their site i can add the distants for 5 a month

 

[Mr Tony]

Depends on where you are located.
When I had Minneapolis locals, we had UPN on there, but now that I have Duluth, MN locals, I don't (Dultuh's UPN is digital only)

Some areas don't have a UPN that is OTA, or is low powered. Technically, these don't qualify for must carry, so the satellite companies don't have to carry them (ask TNGTony about WBQC Cincinnati)

 

[SatinKzo]

I don't get my UPN or WB local. I had to add the superstaion pack.

 

[Mr Tony]

I added WPIX for WB

 

[Bruce]

Detroit area gets both UPN and WB over the sat. while Pax is on 61.5

 

[don_riggins]

Yeah the superstations allow 2 UPNs and 3 WBs, most customers qualify for that package.

 

[TNGTony]

Here is the UPN locals situation on Dish:

Edit ----completed the list of UPN stations available and not available at 11:26pm---now that I have time

Available
Albany, NY - WNYA TV 51 Pittsfield, MA
Albuqueque - KASY TV 50
Anchorage, AK - KYES TV 5
Atlanta, GA - WUPA TV 69
Bakersfield, CA- KUVI TV 45
Baltimore, MD - WUTB TV 24
Birmingham, AL - WABM TV 68
Boise, ID - KNIN TV 9
Boston, MA - WSBK TV 38 (Available in most of the country for $1.50 a la carte)
Kingsport, TN - WAPK CA 36
Buffalo, NY - WNLO TV 23
Champaign - Springfield, IL - WCFN TV 49
Charleston, SC- WMMP TV 36
Charlotte, NC - WJZY TV 46
Gary, IN/Chicago, IL - WPWR TV 50
Chico/Redding, CA - KRVU LP 21
Lorain/Cleveland, Oh - WUAB TV 43
Sumter, SC - WBHQ TV 63
Chillicothe, OH - WWHO TV 53
Ft Worth/Dallas, TX - KTXA TV 21
Denver, CO - KTVD TV 20
Detroit, MI - WKBD TV 50
Florence, SC - WWMB TV 21
Fresno, CA - KAIL TV 53
Appleton, WI/Green Bay - WACY TV 32
Greensboro, NC - WUPN TV 48
New Bern/Greenville, NC - WCTI DT 48-3
Asheville, NC/Greenville, SC - WASV TV 62
Lancaster/York/Harrisburg, PA - WLYH TV 15
New Haven/Hartford, CT - WCTX TV 59
Honolulu, Hi - KFVE TV 5 (This is a primary WB and secondary UPN station)
Houston, TX - KTXH TV 20
Marion / Indianapolis, IN - WNDY TV 23
Kansas City, MO - KCWE TV 29
Pine Bluff/ Little Rock, AR - KASN TV 38
Los Angeles, CA - KCOP TV 13
Salem, IN/Louisville, KY - WFTE TV 58
Lubbock, TX - KUPT LP 22
Memphis, TN - WLMT TV 30
Miami, FL - WBFS TV 33
Milwaukee, WI - WCGV TV 24
Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN - WFTC TV 29
Pensacola, FL/Mobile, AL - WJTC TV 44
El Dorado, AR/Monroe, LA - KEJB TV 43 (Primary Pax/religious then UPN)
Salinas/Monterey, CA - KCBA TV 35 (Primary Fox, secondary UPN)
Troy/Montgomery, AL - WRJM TV 67
Nashville, TN - WUXP TV 30
New Orleans, LA - WUPL TV 54
Secaucus, NJ/New York, NY - WWOR TV 9 (Available in most of the country for $1.50 a la carte)
Portsmouth, VA/Norfolk, VA - WGNT TV 27
Oklahoma City, Ok - KAUT TV 43
Orlando, FL - WRBW TV 65
Peoria, IL - WAOE TV 59
Philadelphia, PA - WPSG TV 57
Phoenix, AZ - KUTP TV 45
Jeannette/Pittburgh, PA - WNPA TV 19
Lewiston/Portland, ME - WPME TV 35
Vancouver, WA/Salem/Portland, OR - KPDX TV 49
New Bedford, MA/Providence, RI - WLWC TV 28
Quincy, IL - WGEM TV 10 (Primary NBC, chery-picks UPN)
Durham/Raleigh, NC - WRDC TV 28
Reno/Carson City, NV - KAME TV 21
Ashland/Richmond, VA - WUPV TV 65
Danville, VA - WDRL TV 24
Sacramento/Stockton/Modesto, CA - KMAX TV 31
E. St. Louis, IL/St. Louis, MO - WRBU TV 46
Ogden/SLC, UT - KPNZ TV 24
Fredericksburg/San Antonio, TX - KBEJ TV 2
Bexley/Savannah, GA - WGSA TV 34
Tacoma/Seattle, WA - KSTW TV 11
South Bend, IN - WSBT DT 22.2
Springfield, MO - Cable station KDL - UPN 17
Live Oak/Tallahassee, FL - WFXU TV 57
St. Petersburg/Tampa, FL - WTOG TV 44
Cadillac/Traverse City, MI - WFQX TV 33 (Primary Fox then UPN)
Tucson, Az - KTTU TV 18
Tulsa, OK - KTFO TV 41
Washington, DC - WDCA TV 20
Fort Pierce/West Palm Beach Fl - WTVX TV 34
Hutchinson, KS - WSCC TV 36


Not Available
Albany, GA - WVAG TV 44* Valdosta, GA*(This station is technically (and legally) in the Talahassee market)
Amarillo, TX - KCPN-LP 33
Augusta, GA - WBEK-CA 16
Austin, TX - KBEJ TV 2 (Technically and legally in the San Antonio, TX market and available in that package)
Burlington, VT - WBVT LP 39
Cincinnati, Oh - WBQC-CA 25
Grand Forks, ND - KCPM TV 27
Grand Rapids - WXSP CA 15
Matamoros, TA/Harlingen/Brownsville, TX - XHHUPN TV 2
Florence/Huntsville, AL - WHDF TV 15
La Crosse/Eauclaire, WI - KQEG-CA
Jackson/Lansing, MI - WHTV TV 18
Macon, GA - WGNM TV 64
Rochester, NY - WBGT-LP 40
Tecate, BCN/San Diego, CA - XHUPN TV 49
Minden, LA/Shreveport - KPXJ TV 21
Pullman/Spokane, WA - KQUP TV 24 (Uplinked just this week so it may be coming very soon)
Toledo - WNGT-LP 48
Longview/Tyler, TX - KCEB TV 54


You can see all the details for the rest of the Dish cities here. http://ekb.dbstalk.com/19
Notice how most of the stations not carried are low power or class A low power stations. See http://ekb.dbstalk.com/20 for "Must Carry" details.

 

[ShadowEKU]

Lexington, KY WBLU 62

 

[Mr Tony]

Minneapolis WFTC 29

interesting note...WFTC stands for "We're Fox Twin Cities", yet they are UPN (Fox and UPN changed stations on 9/8/02)

 

[ShadowEKU]

lol

Anyway I still dont know why dish wont carry ours. we have lexington locals and there are 2 upns in lex. WBLU 62 and the digital one owned by wkyt. Owned by 2 different companies even. and 62 is full power i can pick it up via regular ant without problem so it hasnt been a problem fo rme to view it. theres jsut considerable ghosting and static.

 

[Mr Tony]

shadow
I looked on tvradioworld.com, and WBLU is actually WBLU-LP..output power of 129KW (Full Powered is 5000KW)...since it has the dreaded LP at the end, technically it doenst qualify for must carry.

 

[ShadowEKU]

shadow
I looked on tvradioworld.com, and WBLU is actually WBLU-LP..output power of 129KW (Full Powered is 5000KW)...since it has the dreaded LP at the end, technically it doenst qualify for must carry.

Hay Thanks Iceberg. Im gonna bookmark that site. That stinks but I can still watch it anyway... oh well.

 

[Mr Tony]

If it didnt have the LP at the end, then technically they qualify.

I've seen 500KW stations (1/10th of the max) be carried on Dish.

That site is real good...some of the affiliation changes take a little bit to update, but its a real good sight

 

[chaddux]

Tyler/Longview, TX does not have our local UPN on DISH.

 

[Mr Tony]

Tyler/Longview, TX does not have our local UPN on DISH.

That one Ive questioned because KCEB 54 is full power (5000KW) so it should qualify
Whats weird is there is Ch 58, which is KLPN-LP in the same town (Longview) which doesnt qualify

 

[carload]

Note that you don't have to order the whole Supers pack if all you want is a UPN outlet. Each channel in the Supers pack is available for $1.50/month each. You get to choose between Boston's WSBK and New York's WWOR.

 

[trido]

Note that you don't have to order the whole Supers pack if all you want is a UPN outlet. Each channel in the Supers pack is available for $1.50/month each. You get to choose between Boston's WSBK and New York's WWOR.

Thanks dish never told me that?
I will double check with them

trido

 

[Furious]

We get Upn in Lubbock Texas, however we dont get the WB. My wife loves the WB so we had to get the superstations package which also has 3 upns so now I have 4 upns that show the same thing within an hour of each other

 

[chaddux]

That one Ive questioned because KCEB 54 is full power (5000KW) so it should qualify
Whats weird is there is Ch 58, which is KLPN-LP in the same town (Longview) which doesnt qualify

Here is the story according to DISH and the UPN operators (Fox 51). First of all, what I was told is that KLPN is no longer even broadcasting. It was the LP station in Longview while the new full power KCEB was being built. When KCEB came online, KLPN was shut off a couple of months later. From what I can tell, neither Longview cable company is carrying the KLPN signal. (A search for KLPN on the FCC no longer shows an active registration.) They couldn't tell me what signal DirecTV was actually using.

According to a DISH executive officer, who told me that she had the "correct" department research why it wasn't on, the station has never asked to be carried and the 75-day period in which a full-power station must request carriage has passed. She noted that they had "no plans to carry the station." According to Fox 51, they will try to "speed up getting our signal to DISH."