DISH Has Made it Impossible to be a VIP211k Owner

[Juan]

Wasn't the purpose of EHDs to add holding capacity, back-up & preserve recordings on a long scale such that if the rx goes kaput you don't lose them? Have there been any known system-initiated deletions of recordings from rx/dvr units (such as hopper and ViP)? Other than for the HD being filled up?

The EHD turns the VIP221 into a 610 DVR

 

[telstar_1]

The EHD turns the VIP221 into a 610 DVR

Not exactly, as that would imply a unitary rx/HDD. To further the point, does connecting EHD to a 222 make for dual HD recording? Regardless, yes, there are definite constraints as far as using a 211- adding the EHD makes it DVR-capable, but only a single channel may be tuned at any time, either for viewing or for recording. No watching one thing/recording another or recording 2 at same time like with a 612, 622 or 722. Yet still if recordings are being saved in a 211-connected EHD I don't see any technical reason those recordings should at any point go away any more than they would for an EHD connected to and used with a unitary DVR model such as 612, 622, 722 (or hopper). Unless DiSH is indeed up to no good.

 

[navychop]

"Never ascribe to malice that which is explained by incompetence."

 

[Juan]

Not exactly, as that would imply a unitary rx/HDD. To further the point, does connecting EHD to a 222 make for dual HD recording? Regardless, yes, there are definite constraints as far as using a 211- adding the EHD makes it DVR-capable, but only a single channel may be tuned at any time, either for viewing or for recording. No watching one thing/recording another or recording 2 at same time like with a 612, 622 or 722. Yet still if recordings are being saved in a 211-connected EHD I don't see any technical reason those recordings should at any point go away any more than they would for an EHD connected to and used with a unitary DVR model such as 612, 622, 722 (or hopper). Unless DiSH is indeed up to no good.

Uhhh one tuner with a hard drive (EHD)on a VIP221...I dont think you can put a EHD on a VIP222

 

[zippyfrog]

Uhhh one tuner with a hard drive (EHD)on a VIP221...I dont think you can put a EHD on a VIP222

Correct - my first receiver was the VIP222k and there was no option to do the EHD on that receiver.

 

[Foxbat]

When I had the ViP 211 on our home account, you could record a Satellite event and an OTA event at the same time. While that was happening, you could play back from the EHD. Of course, that was a decade ago.

The last time I had checked on the recordings on our EHD at the cabin, The Who concert of "Tommy" I recorded off AXS was still playable, years after it had been recorded. However, the one-of-a-kind OTA recordings of Jeopardy and Nova featuring IBM's Watson had gone bad, with the 005 Error that others have seen. The loss of those bugged me the most.

 

[Jim5506]

Correct - my first receiver was the VIP222k and there was no option to do the EHD on that receiver.

That would have essentially made it a 722. Don't compete with yourself.

Back in the VIP622/722 days we had a 622 and two 211s. We could (with a bit of difficulty) swap the HDDs between the 211s (sneaker net).

 

[Anony55]

When I had the ViP 211 on our home account, you could record a Satellite event and an OTA event at the same time. While that was happening, you could play back from the EHD. Of course, that was a decade ago.

That's how it still is... that is... for however long the recordings last.

 

[Jim5506]

That's how it still is... that is... for however long the recordings last.

I had a stack of 500MB to 2GB internal hard drives that I swapped around between my 211s.
While they were not attached, nobody could delete anything.

 

[navychop]

Wait for it.

 

[telstar_1]

That would have essentially made it a 722. Don't compete with yourself.

Back in the VIP622/722 days we had a 622 and two 211s. We could (with a bit of difficulty) swap the HDDs between the 211s (sneaker net).

I was surprised when they allowed DVR at all on a non-HDD rx.

 

[zippyfrog]

Well...at 89 days, I still can access my oldest recordings on the VIP211k. This is the right at the longest I have been able to have them before the self-delete/stop working since this started about 14 months ago. Oldest recording is from 9/28/2025.

 

[arlo]

Hey! I'm kind of keeping track of this discussion. How people are getting surprises. Playing musical hard drives.
Not really interested in how DN or DTV manages your stored content. If recordings are actually deleted. If the decryption keys for different recordings are deauthorized but the recordings are still present.
My view is that you're a subscriber and unless you purchase a VOD. They aren't yours. Maybe I'm mistaken. But like joining a DVD rental store, a plan that let's you rent for X months. Or a streaming service that lets you watch the same movie for so many months.
And then retiring old satellite equipment not by choice but by mandate.
I take it your VIP receiver takes a card in a slot that makes it work. And because that card has been.....an analogy....been found to be like a padlock with a key with one notch. The bad guys found out that a paper clip can open it in a jif. Am I correct? I read a lot. Don't new receivers not use cards? I don't know.
Why would Master or Schlage keep selling locks that a bad dude could open in a second and share your treasures with everyone else? Ax me that!

Looking outside the box. Waiting for your EHD to listen for "we all fall down", cloning them, are the recordings tied to a decryption key that is periodically broadcast. Try griping out sxm about their rates. With a working radio. Unplug it, pull the fuse, antenna lead, in your car. Tell them it got stolen. The dealer replaced it and your don't want to swap subscriptions. They suck. Whatever. Or get a portable and use it in the car. In, oh, 6 months. A year. Plug it back in. It will work forever. Shh!

If you really want to keep those recordings why don't you invest in a HDMI capture device with pass thru that allows recording. Perhaps an additional box that gets rid of that annoying message on your screen.
A pain, yeah. Takes time, sure. In the end you have a few bucks invested and a bit of time. Perhaps set a timer and select a play list. And there you have it. Unless the storage media borks. You can play it anytime, anywhere.
And configure networking. No receiver and company sold black box needed. Hmm? Does that work?

Can you stream to Kodi using DN, etc? Don't know. But I do know that recording is as easy as pressing an on screen "button". Just trying to stir the oatmeal above your shoulders.
I have like 6 HDD's on my file server pc besides the two that in a RAID array that contain the OS. A few harvested from old roadside DVR's. A program HDAT is used to enable using them in a regular pc. And soon I'll most probably build my first open source software NAS. A winter project. My FTA receiver allows recording. And they never disappear.