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Claude Greiner

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In this case I don't think Amazon has anything to do with the Kodi end of things.

I don't think it does either, but I don't think amazon is mad about the fact that retailers can't even keep fire sticks in stock.

Point is if you sell a product that can be used for illegal purposes, you have an obligation to make changes so your product can't be used illegally.
 

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I don't think it does either, but I don't think amazon is mad about the fact that retailers can't even keep fire sticks in stock.

Point is if you sell a product that can be used for illegal purposes, you have an obligation to make changes so your product can't be used illegally.

True, but the same can be said about computers, people can literally download software free and they won't go against computer manufacturers or microsoft. They can watch pirated shows or download them.
You can't do much against streaming content. These days people rarely download things and share, so they just stream them.
Thats how things are.
 

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I don't think it does either, but I don't think amazon is mad about the fact that retailers can't even keep fire sticks in stock.

Point is if you sell a product that can be used for illegal purposes, you have an obligation to make changes so your product can't be used illegally.

I can use a car to rob a bank. Does that mean manufacturers should make SURE I can't drive my car to a bank? I can use a gun to deliberately KILL someone. Does that mean they should make guns that you CAN'T point at somebody, or that won't fire when pointed at somebody? I can use matches to set a fire and burn down a whole TOWN. Should they only make matches that won't cause fires?

Don't be ridiculous...
 

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I can use a car to rob a bank. Does that mean manufacturers should make SURE I can't drive my car to a bank? I can use a gun to deliberately KILL someone. Does that mean they should make guns that you CAN'T point at somebody, or that won't fire when pointed at somebody? I can use matches to set a fire and burn down a whole TOWN. Should they only make matches that won't cause fires?

Don't be ridiculous...
Well, don't you, too.
 
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The issue I see is software can be written to prevent the illegal streams, the same way Dish and Directv update the software in their receivers.

The issue is not Amazon, however the fire stick is the preferred device.

Fire sticks are like the Mc Spoons that Mc Donald's used to give out with their coffee.

Drug dealers liked the spoons because they could measure out illegal drugs and was easy to keep with them because it came with a Mc Donald's coffee.
 

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I can use a car to rob a bank. Does that mean manufacturers should make SURE I can't drive my car to a bank? I can use a gun to deliberately KILL someone. Does that mean they should make guns that you CAN'T point at somebody, or that won't fire when pointed at somebody? I can use matches to set a fire and burn down a whole TOWN. Should they only make matches that won't cause fires?

Don't be ridiculous...
 

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Like so many things, the product is legal but it can be used for illegal purposes. Don't compare Amazon selling products with KODI to matches. Matches are used for many reasons while the products using KODI are sold for one reason, to stream for free. From what I understand, all of the streaming originates outside the United States. Good luck Dish.
 
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As someone pointed out earlier this is the Napster in the 90's.
The arrest in the U.K. Last year where individuals were arrested for selling loaded Kodi boxes and were found with thousands.
Eventually Amazon will take away apps such as downloader and explorer apps so you will not be able to download Kodi.


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I don't think it does either, but I don't think amazon is mad about the fact that retailers can't even keep fire sticks in stock.

Point is if you sell a product that can be used for illegal purposes, you have an obligation to make changes so your product can't be used illegally.

Syringes.
 

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I'm not sure that Dish even has the legal standing to take anyone to court, they don't own the property rights, they're only a retransmitter of someone else's intellectual property. ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, etc can sue but I don't believe Dish can by itself. That would be like a movie theater chain trying to sue because somebody was selling a pirate copy of the film they're showing. The studio can sue but not the theater chain.

Dish can make a case they are financially harmed by loss of subscribers due to folks choosing the illegal route.

Demonstrated harm is all that is required. And often, that is a loose requirement.
 

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Point is if you sell a product that can be used for illegal purposes, you have an obligation to make changes so your product can't be used illegally.

Faulty logic. By that reasoning, cars should be made so that people couldn't drink and drive. Murders have happened by everything from knives to hammers, so is it their obligation to make sure a hammer can't be used illegally?
 

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I see these things on facebook in the local Tucson swap groups all the time. People sell it like it's an end all to your cable bill. Dish needs to go after the sellers of these things as well as the sellers fully know that what they are selling is illegal.
 
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Fire sticks are like the Mc Spoons that Mc Donald's used to give out with their coffee.

Drug dealers liked the spoons because they could measure out illegal drugs and was easy to keep with them because it came with a Mcdonald's coffee.
The popularity was with drug users.

The little spoons were perfect for an amount to go up a nostril. I know because, back in the 80's, my boss would take a coffee break with coffee and coke. He eventually graduated to a purposely built amber bottle with a little silver spoon embedded into the screw top that he wore around his neck . Pretty damn bold, I'd say.
 

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I would love to know the legalities involved here. Is it illegal to receive any stream that originates outside the United States?

Not any stream, only content that isn't licenced for streaming in the US. An example like this would be a UFC PPV feed from SKY Sports that I often see streamed. That's not licensed for use outside of the UK, and any stream into the US would be illegal that wasn't authorized by the UFC. The key is UFC is the copyright holder, and those rights extend to dish (or any pay tv provider that has an agreement with the UFC) via licensing of its content. Now, if the UFC authorized an overseas streamer to stream its PPV on the internet for free, then that would be ok as they have permission from the copyright holder for fair use through a licensing deal. (Unlikely) If that happened it would be fair game, but in reality, we know that's not the case because the pay tv providers have those agreements for PPV.

Also, If it's originally produced content not under any type of license or fair use is ok. Anyone who produces content and owns the rights to it can stream it anywhere as prohibited by regional laws. If I wanted to go out and produce my own porn, I have every right to stream it on the web, but it would be my legal duty to block middle eastern countries that have a ban on pornography to meet their laws under international law.

Streaming a whole PPV or movie isn't considered fair use and harms the TV providers who do pay a license to distribute the content and is harmed by this as their PPV revenue is decreased because people won't buy it if they can get an internet stream for free. The KODI stick has made it easy for anyone to pick up these illegal streams that aren't fair use, licensed, or even authorized for distribution over the internet.

What Dish and I suspect AT&T will join at a later date, is fighting against this as it's a form of piracy because the content that the KODI sticks are putting out via it's plugins are essentially giving away programming that isn't free and dish pays the content providers a fee for carriage of that programming (licence agreement). Also, the streamers who are putting it on the web don't have the rights to do so and that in itself is also illegal.

The other factor is content is licensed regionally and cerin programs are available in the US that isn't in the UK, Asia, ect. One program may be PPV here, but free in the Middle East, intended for the Middle Eastern market only as a freebie but full outright PPV here.
 

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It seems strange then that you can receive all programming for free from ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC, PBS, CW as well as all other local channels over an antenna. Once upon a time these above networks made their profits from advertisers but now they charge carriers like Dish, Directv, cable companies etc to rebroadcast their material yet still offer it for free to folks with antennas. The networks should pay the carriers for their service, not the other way around. If I pay for Dish and Dish pays CBS and CBS charges General Motors to run their commercials so that I am inclined to buy from General Motors. Seems like I'm the one getting ripped off.
 

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