DISH to Become National Facilities-based Wireless Carrier

[Scott Greczkowski]

T-Mobile does NOT charge extra for 5G.

Thats because in most places their 5G service is slower than their 4G service. I know I wouldn't want to pay extra for it.

 

[comfortably_numb]

I briefly subbed to Verizon's 5G UW service. While I saw amazing speeds in a few limited areas, I couldn't see the point in paying for it beyond one month. I'm an IT person and even I don't require 2 GBPS speeds on my phone. I see no point in it for right now.

 

[NYDutch]

Then why are the phone companies spending a large fortune on converting to 5g and obviously going to charge us more for something we do not want? I have turned off most apps and deleted those that I could on my cell phone.

We'll be very happy to get 5G data speeds where available. We use the Visible (Verizon) $25/mo unlimited talk, text, and data service just for the data with the SIM installed in a hotspot instead of a phone. Visible has added 5G access with no price increase, so our only cost for the faster service will be a one time 5G capable hotspot purchase. The Visible service and our $23.50/mo unlimited AT&T 4G/LTE data service are our only Internet providers for the nine Internet connected devices we use in our RV.

 

[comfortably_numb]

Visible has added 5G access with no price increase

That's not "real" 5G though. It's closer to LTE speeds. You want Ultra WB.

 

[NYDutch]

That's not "real" 5G though. It's closer to LTE speeds. You want Ultra WB.

At the 200 Mbps Visble supplies, it beats anything we've seen with 4G/LTE on the road. All we really want, it buffer free video streaming when multiple devices are also using the service.

 

[comfortably_numb]

At the 200 Mbps Visble supplies, it beats anything we've seen with 4G/LTE on the road. All we really want, it buffer free video streaming when multiple devices are also using the service.

I'm on Verizon and I've never seen 200mbps on 5G. Not saying I doubt you, I just haven't seen it personally

 

[odbrv]

...... I am trying to understand the target customer for 5G.

5G will be more important for business applications. Self drive cars will be improbable nationwide without it. Truck fleet control will need it. Airline and cruise ship internet will be better with it. 5G home internet with unlimited data will be needed to compete with a fully deployed Starlink. AI applications will need it. See this article for a good discussion : 5G Use Cases and Industry Applications.

 

[NYDutch]

I'm on Verizon and I've never seen 200mbps on 5G. Not saying I doubt you, I just haven't seen it personally

I should have said "up to 200 Mbps" that Visible allows, but I have seen 185+ on a friend's 5G Visible phone.

 

[Juan]

I briefly subbed to Verizon's 5G UW service. While I saw amazing speeds in a few limited areas, I couldn't see the point in paying for it beyond one month. I'm an IT person and even I don't require 2 GBPS speeds on my phone. I see no point in it for right now.

Its was supposed to be a fios replacement for stationary home use but alas that does not seem to be happening

 

[ncted]

5G will ultimately be about stuffing more devices on the same spectrum and improving throughput for less than ideal signal areas somewhat. The UW band will have some limited applications of course, but putting antennas on every light pole in a major city is a huge effort for signals that won't penetrate anything IMHO. If you have to run fiber to all those poles, why not just run fiber to every address for high speed applications?

Here is some speculation for your entertainment:

https://www.lightreading.com/5g/satellites-may-be-secret-ingredient-to-charlie-ergens-5g-recipe/a/d-id/770406?

 

[Yespage]

If you have to run fiber to all those poles, why not just run fiber to every address for high speed applications?

Here is some speculation for your entertainment:

https://www.lightreading.com/5g/satellites-may-be-secret-ingredient-to-charlie-ergens-5g-recipe/a/d-id/770406?

In a city? You do realize how many addresses are housed in a single building? The cost of running the strand of glass gets expensive. And that is presuming you've got glass strands at the front door. Running anything anywhere in a city is expensive, at best, when you want to put a hole in the ground! 5G provides a wireless option to feed to people using mostly existing infrastructure.

I got lucky with fiber. I have learned that the best place to live is in a large neighborhood near a lot of rich people. We got access to fiber very early because rich people get that type of infrastructure first and if you live in a large enough of a neighborhood and you are very close, they'll hook you up too because there are enough homes to justify the cost of a rollout.

 

[ncted]

5G provides a wireless option to feed to people using mostly existing infrastructure.

Except Ultra Wideband 5G doesn't actually enter the building, unless you put a DAS system in, which, if you are going to do that, just run fiber (or twisted pair ethernet for that matter). What existing infrastructure allows for the propagation of mmWave signals?

 

[rvvaquero]

If you have to run fiber to all those poles, why not just run fiber to every address for high speed applications?

Because they want to keep it cellular. Don't think in terms of what it can do for you in your home. It's not about providing internet to buildings, it's about mobility. Already, delivery vehicles are connected via cellular. The day is coming when all business and commercial vehicles will be connected and can be easily tracked and more efficiently routed by the home office. That's not to mention utility meters of all kinds. The possibilities are endless for using cellular for mobile commerce.

 

[ncted]

Because they want to keep it cellular. Don't think in terms of what it can do for you in your home. It's not about providing internet to buildings, it's about mobility. Already, delivery vehicles are connected via cellular. The day is coming when all business and commercial vehicles will be connected and can be easily tracked and more efficiently routed by the home office. That's not to mention utility meters of all kinds. The possibilities are endless for using cellular for mobile commerce.

Sorry, I didn't quote Juan, but that is who I was replying to:

Its was supposed to be a fios replacement for stationary home use but alas that does not seem to be happening

 

[Juan]

Except Ultra Wideband 5G doesn't actually enter the building, unless you put a DAS system in, which, if you are going to do that, just run fiber (or twisted pair ethernet for that matter). What existing infrastructure allows for the propagation of mmWave signals?

I know..you need an antenna on your roof...they put the cell transmitter on a telephone pole in your neighborhood..was supposed to be self installed..but they needed a tech to place the antenna outside and run coax to router..they tried signal boosters...no good

Here is a nice link

Verizon 5G Home Internet FAQs | Ultra-fast home Internet

Verizon 5G Home Internet plans FAQs | Verizon Customer Support

Learn about our 5G home internet plans, availability and discounts.

www.verizon.com

Reviews

Verizon's 5G Home is expanding to parts of Atlanta, Dallas, Denver and San Jose

The 5G home internet alternative is will soon be available in parts of 12 cities.

www.cnet.com

 

[charlesrshell]

I know..you need an antenna on your roof...they put the cell transmitter on a telephone pole in your neighborhood..was supposed to be self installed..but they needed a tech to place the antenna outside and run coax to router..they tried signal boosters...no good

Here is a nice link

Verizon 5G Home Internet FAQs | Ultra-fast home Internet

Verizon 5G Home Internet plans FAQs | Verizon Customer Support

Learn about our 5G home internet plans, availability and discounts.

www.verizon.com

Reviews

Verizon's 5G Home is expanding to parts of Atlanta, Dallas, Denver and San Jose

The 5G home internet alternative is will soon be available in parts of 12 cities.

www.cnet.com

Wonder if DISH is going to provide same 5G setup to our homes like Verizon!

 

[navychop]

Mostly, Dish will use lower frequencies with greater penetration. But slower.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Wonder if DISH is going to provide same 5G setup to our homes like Verizon!

That would make Juan upset. Lol.

 

[Juan]

That would make Juan upset. Lol.

Only if it worked

 

[ncted]

Dish Network making tower crews 'very busy' nationwide | Light Reading

'We do believe that Dish's intent is to build the network substantially in the US,' says American Tower CFO Rod Smith. However, the company doesn't expect significant revenues from Dish until next year.

www.lightreading.com