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cruzin

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Hi, can someone suggest a fta english music only sat. I do work for a chain of restaurants and I thought of suggesting to the people I do work for as they pay to have music piped in. They mostly have 1.0-1.2 dishes on the roofs but have seen a few dishnet 500 dishes set up. I do not know any legal problems if they went to fta if there were a good sat to get it on.
 

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Any music that is played in a public place requires a license, that includes radio stations, CD's, or any form of rebroadcast. The exception is content that is public domain with no copyright issues.

I had to license my companies' phone system's music on hold!

Muzak has to pay the artists and song writers a royalty every time a song is paid.

Our church has to pay for songs sung by the congregation! (The cost for a small church is over $100 per year.)

A chain of restaurants would be a prime target for the copyright police.

Bob
 

zamar23

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What are you saying exactly: if a restaurant has a DN sub with Sirius channels included, they can play games and shows on TVs installed in the restaurant, but can't play music coming from that sub or music broadcast in clear by a FTA Sat? Or each restaurant with TVs pays license fee in addition to sub fee to DN or another broadcaster for using TVs in the restaurant?
 

skysurfer

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A commercial establishment has special ways of doing things. You can contract for music for your commercial establishment through Muzak and take delivery over your DISH Network system I don't know if SIRIUS offers commercial licenses or not for their formats.

If you want video services such as a RSN or ESPN in your commercial establishment, DISH Network has commercial packages available so you can display the video in a commercial setting.
 

cruzin

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And I bet if all these places of business quite paying who ever they had as a provider would send out the copyright cops! might as well forget that unless the yearly fee is small.

Any music that is played in a public place requires a license, that includes radio stations, CD's, or any form of rebroadcast. The exception is content that is public domain with no copyright issues.

I had to license my companies' phone system's music on hold!

Muzak has to pay the artists and song writers a royalty every time a song is paid.

Our church has to pay for songs sung by the congregation! (The cost for a small church is over $100 per year.)

A chain of restaurants would be a prime target for the copyright police.

Bob
 

Blindowl1234

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Yeah you know some years ago a store I worked at broadcast a local radio station and got busted. So I'm sure the copyright police are out there. In the 70's I was in the radio tv program at school. We had to get permission to tape and use a baseball game for training purposes too. Blind
 

cruzin

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Im sure glad we live in a free country. I would hate to think of what it would be like in a commie country.

Yeah you know some years ago a store I worked at broadcast a local radio station and got busted. So I'm sure the copyright police are out there. In the 70's I was in the radio tv program at school. We had to get permission to tape and use a baseball game for training purposes too. Blind
 

classicsat

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Being FTA does not make it copyright or license free. It only means you, as an establishment, don't have to buy expensive proprietary commercial receivers with conditional access, at least until "Free listening" becomes a problem for them and they encrypt.

If a company opted to receive Muzak or Sirius over Dishnet, they would be only authorized for that. Yes, to receive TV, they need a commercial package, and sometimes rights from the sports channels and leagues (I am supposing the last though).

And BTW, Sirius does offer a commercial receiver and service for establishments such as restaurants and stores. Looking for stuff, I encountered their commercial services site.
 

Bill_KY

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WCPE, the classical station from North Carolina is on 103W and you can contact them for permission to play them in the restaurant, you still would have to get a commercial license though...hxxp://theclassicalstation.org/

You can get a commercial license from BMI and ASCAP and then legally have music in your place of business of your choice..be it a DJ, background music or whatever.

As I recall, if you go with a commercial music service, I think as a part of your monthly subscription the license fees are already taken care of.

I think for a jukebox, it used to be that the jukebox operator/owner actually pays a fee and the bar/restaurant was supposed to be covered legally...although that might have changed over the years.

Slightly Off Topic, ....I listen to some Linux podcasts, and there is actually something called "Podcast safe music". Where one can have music on their own podcast and not have to be concerned with royalties and licensing.

The "Going Linux" podcast and "The Linux Link Tech Show" are two good examples. One could in theory play "Podcast Safe" music at their place of establishment...but check first... as some Podcast safe music is meant for non commercial uses.
 

byron

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If you really only need elevator music, just lock your receiver on one of the Echostar test card channels. (105w, 121w, etc.) You'll have elevator music 24/7, ITC and with no ID's or speaking interruptions. I'm not sure about royalties, but I'm betting their music is cheaper than the stuff you'll hear from commercial services, and you can't really get picky with elevator music!

Byron
 

Mr Tony

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WCPE, the classical station from North Carolina is on 103W and you can contact them for permission to play them in the restaurant, you still would have to get a commercial license though...hxxp://theclassicalstation.org/

you dont even need to contact them
WCPE - Rebroadcast Information

just a snippet
Rebroadcast Consent
Updated 12-01-09

To Whom it May Concern:

It is WCPE's Mission to make Great Classical Music available to everyone.

Therefore:

Blanket permission to, in real time, retransmit, relay, or rebroadcast WCPE without royalty to WCPE is granted to any entity (commercial, hobby, non-commercial, religious, subscription, etc.) legally disseminating, or enabling our dissemination, to the public.
 

ikki

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> Blanket permission to, in real time, retransmit, relay, or rebroadcast WCPE without royalty to WCPE is granted to any entity (commercial, hobby, non-commercial, religious, subscription, etc.) legally disseminating, or enabling our dissemination, to the public.


That is awesome!
 

teched

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You may find this less awesome:

We pay our applicable copyright fees. You must pay your applicable copyright fees whether you carry us or not. You must have an agreement with the licensing agencies or you must rely on a statutory license. You are legally bound to verify your own situation!
 

Wescopc

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Edit - I was typing while teched was posting above!

Note that they DO NOT pay the copyright fees for the re broadcaster:

We pay our applicable copyright fees. You must pay your applicable copyright fees whether you carry us or not. You must have an agreement with the licensing agencies or you must rely on a statutory license. You are legally bound to verify your own situation!

They allow you to to re broadcast and use their logos and trademarks without royalty to WCPE but make it clear that copyright fees are up to the re broadcaster. WCPE pays copyrights at the non-profit level for the initial broadcast but don't pay for retransmission.
 
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