From DISH - SuperBowl 4K Info

[navychop]

Because Voom did not produce enough programming for the number of "channels."

 

[John2021]

I have to say it's a good upconvert no sign of compression at all

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

What time does the game start? Lol

 

[John2021]

What time does the game start? Lol

3:30 pm.. the score is 12 to zero new England is getting there asses handed to em lol.. what you mean to tell me your not camped out in front of your new tv lol

 

[John2021]

19-7 Seahawks in the win

 

[Derek K]

I had Voom for a short time back in 2005.

The fact they had the most HD programming in the industry, at a time where Dish couldn't even get their SD programming right with all of the artifacts and ghosting due to over compression was amazing.

Yes it was great being able to see what true HD actually looked like on some of the early HD television sets. But to be honest, I never saw any value to the Voom channels other than the fact it provided a way to give us a way to see what our HD television sets where capable of.

As far as Dish taking over the Voom channels, there was a good handful of customers at that time who cancelled their DISH and DIRECTV service because of the number of HD channels. This lead to Dish later offering the Turbo HD programming packages.

Dish taking over Voom, was to get their hands on the remaining 11 transponders at 61.5, and to gain back some of those customers they lost to Voom. Once DISH had those customers back, they went back and removed the channels.

Same thing that happens every time Dish enters into an agreement with another company. I do not believe it had to do with the fact they where showing the same shows on the Voom channels, I don't think DISH was paying them which they didn't have any money to produce new content.

I think that just left the 2 transponders Sky Angel was using, and they took those away citing end of life on Echostar 3.

Back to Super bowl, what is the point of carrying the 4K broadcast? Dish carries all 210 DMA's, there is very few DMA's if any that do not have an NBC affiliate. Your not getting NBC 4K on any of the Dish local channels, I do not believe you can get any 4K broadcasts over the air considering there is not sufficient bandwidth due to all the SD sub channels.

Is this just so Charlie could watch the Super bowl in 4K, like 20 years ago when Dish got caught carrying the HD TBS feeds when the SD feed was only available to DISH subscribers during the MLB Play offs?

The only way to get 4K super bowl is subscribing to Peacock.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Back to Super bowl, what is the point of carrying the 4K broadcast?

DIRECTV had the same exact restrictions. It wasn't just a DISH thing. I am told YouTube TV had the same restriction as well. But I don't have YouTube TV.

As far as them calling it 4K, personally I think it should be illegal to call anything 4K that is not really 4K. I do not consider 4K to be 4K when it is just a 1080P signal upconverted. What we are really seeing is what true HD could look like without all the compression.

I remember I was with Mark Cuban once and he asked me if I ever saw what real HD looked like and then explained to me the only pure HD is what you will ever see coming directly off the camera, pure uncompressed. Once its ingested he said it is "ruined" by the compression needed just to store it. And when its broadcast the bit rate it is sent at is a tiny fraction of what the rigional bitrate was coming off the camera. So if we think this looks good, imagine seeing it in its pure form.

I ended up watching on Peacock on my Apple TV as it was in (cough cough) 4K and had Dolby Atmos. I first tried watching on my Android TV with the Peacock app and while it was listed as 4K with Dolby Atmos the Android Peacock app was not passing along the Atmos Sound. I also checked out DISH's version but that was just in normal 5.1 audio. So I watched via the Apple TV just to get the atmos sound. I did find it interesting that on Peacock inserted our local Hartford Commercials during the game.

Game? I am not big into Football (or Sports for that matter) but I think the Patriots forgot to show up last night. Congrats to the Seahawks. I forgot to print out the pools from my office so hopefully i go in today and there is some money waiting for me.

 

[Jimbo]

DIRECTV had the same exact restrictions. It wasn't just a DISH thing. I am told YouTube TV had the same restriction as well. But I don't have YouTube TV.

As far as them calling it 4K, personally I think it should be illegal to call anything 4K that is not really 4K. I do not consider 4K to be 4K when it is just a 1080P signal upconverted. What we are really seeing is what true HD could look like without all the compression.

I remember I was with Mark Cuban once and he asked me if I ever saw what real HD looked like and then explained to me the only pure HD is what you will ever see coming directly off the camera, pure uncompressed. Once its ingested he said it is "ruined" by the compression needed just to store it. And when its broadcast the bit rate it is sent at is a tiny fraction of what the rigional bitrate was coming off the camera. So if we think this looks good, imagine seeing it in its pure form.

I ended up watching on Peacock on my Apple TV as it was in (cough cough) 4K and had Dolby Atmos. I first tried watching on my Android TV with the Peacock app and while it was listed as 4K with Dolby Atmos the Android Peacock app was not passing along the Atmos Sound. I also checked out DISH's version but that was just in normal 5.1 audio. So I watched via the Apple TV just to get the atmos sound. I did find it interesting that on Peacock inserted our local Hartford Commercials during the game.

Game? I am not big into Football (or Sports for that matter) but I think the Patriots forgot to show up last night. Congrats to the Seahawks. I forgot to print out the pools from my office so hopefully i go in today and there is some money waiting for me.

Mark Cuban Does have a point ....
If you walk outside and open your eyes, thats as good and accurate as it gets ... (Without going into eyesight)
It's never going to look any better.

Fwiw, I turned on the YTTV 4K channel and watched it ... I thought it looked Very good ... others may disagree, but I was happy with it.
Was it actual 4k, I doubt it ... (for some reason my Sony TV (65A95) (maybe all) doesn't pop up a tab that says what resolution it's in.

 

[ewindowman]

watched it on dish then switched to peacock. The picture was better on peacock. Afterwards I was thinking why do I still have dish . I basically only watch local channels on dish and the hopper is the best option for recording my local channels without pushing a bunch of buttons just to watch 30 minutes of news in the morning.