installer grounding question

[j.vo]

I am in the process of gathering equipment to upgrade my dad to hd. I noticed that his 500 dish is not grounded, but the cable has a ground block that is connected to the house electrical ground via an outdoor light fixture.

This seems like a short cut taken by a dish installer. Should I look for a ground rod buried next to the electric meter?

Thanks,

J.Vo

 

[isas]

No. Under the National electric Code, the cable is to be grounded to the common house ground. If it is connected to a separate ground rod, that rod must be bonded to the house ground. Failure to bond the grounds could result in a potentially dangerous situation.

 

[TimberWolf]

If you can find the existing ground rod or bare copper wire that should be coming from the panel to it, you can use either of those. Both are better than the light fixture that may not be grounded anyway.

 

[Dishman1978]

Your current ground is an approved ground.

My system isnt even grounded, due to the lack of a ground source anywhere near the dish.

 

[YourHero101]

Its not really going to hurt anything if its not grounded in some cases iv seen the ground actually make the system act up

 

[Dishman1978]

Its not really going to hurt anything if its not grounded in some cases iv seen the ground actually make the system act up

Yes sir!!!!!

 

[AZ.]

Its not really going to hurt anything if its not grounded in some cases iv seen the ground actually make the system act up

If you had an electrical background you wouldnt make this statment........I understand why you say it but it is wrong......when problems happen as you say, it is because of a difference in potential !....There is a reason we follow codes (NEC).

 

[vash1090]

If you had an electrical background you wouldnt make this statment........I understand why you say it but it is wrong......when problems happen as you say, it is because of a difference in potential !....There is a reason we follow codes (NEC).

You say you have a background in electrical? Do you have a background in satellite installation? He's not saying that grounding is bad (or unnecessary), only that sometimes the ground has caused problems. Not often on a bonded ground though unless the electrical system isn't wired correctly, which takes us back to someone with an electrical background doing something wrong at some point, but it does happen so you can't say it doesn't.

 

[AZ.]

You say you have a background in electrical? Do you have a background in satellite installation? He's not saying that grounding is bad (or unnecessary), only that sometimes the ground has caused problems. Not often on a bonded ground though unless the electrical system isn't wired correctly, which takes us back to someone with an electrical background doing something wrong at some point, but it does happen so you can't say it doesn't.

All I will say is your cluless!....If we didnt need grounds we wouldnt have them! end of story!!!! THERE FOR SAFTY!!!!!!!

 

[YourHero101]

All I will say is your cluless!....If we didnt need grounds we wouldnt have them! end of story!!!! THERE FOR SAFTY!!!!!!!

Not saying house should not be grounded im saying if house is wired wrong or has faulty ground will make satellite system act up i work in some "real nice" areas of detroit that alot of the houses had hack electricians come through and not do the greatest of jobs wiring the houses especially the houses that are older than dirt not sure on the codes now but im sure they are way dif than they where that many years ago

 

[AZ.]

Not saying house should not be grounded im saying if house is wired wrong or has faulty ground will make satellite system act up i work in some "real nice" areas of detroit that alot of the houses had hack electricians come through and not do the greatest of jobs wiring the houses especially the houses that are older than dirt not sure on the codes now but im sure they are way dif than they where that many years ago

Please go back and read the thread....yes grounds are good, safe, and a must!!!....but if someone questions my background and says that disconecting or removing a ground is good or "fixes things" Im sorry it crosses the one and only main safty in a home or building!

Removing a ground has NEVER fixed one thing! It may make a problem go away but dosent fix it....If I broke my arm, with that thinking it would be better to remove it from my sholder down then? Well? We didnt fix the break but we sure did take the pain away from the broken bone...

 

[AZ.]

Its not really going to hurt anything if its not grounded in some cases iv seen the ground actually make the system act up

Explain this ???? good luck, because there is no explanation! period, end of story....

 

[Frank7004]

I had an entire circuit continue to pop breakers until I removed the ground to the sat system. The ground was to a copper water pipe which the house ground was also attached to.

Explain that.

Edit: and it tested ok by way of the electric tester issued to me in my install tool kit

 

[AZ.]

I had an entire circuit continue to pop breakers until I removed the ground to the sat system. The ground was to a copper water pipe which the house ground was also attached to.

Explain that.

Edit: and it tested ok by way of the electric tester issued to me in my install tool kit

Your kidding right???? Its called a short with resistance! LOL....of course when you disconected the ground it stoped blowing the breaker....Just a heads up...If you still have this situation your home is a ticking time bomb....PLEASE call a qualifyed electrician to get this matter taken care of......Any posabilitys of removing a ground can cause floating voltages, back feeds, electrical shocks or DEATH!....It sounds more like a fire waiting to happen.....please ,please please, hear my warning you have a very seriouse situation and take care of it ASAP!!!!!! Seriously!!!!!!


PS. The old fashon way of proving your short with the old twist fuses, was to screw a light bulb into were the fuse was...your situation would of light the bulb....please be carefull I will not continue this any farther!!!!!

 

[YourHero101]

Explain this ???? good luck, because there is no explanation! period, end of story....

Yet again your talking about a whole house ground i am just talking about the ground for the satellite dish. I don't doubt your electrical "expertise" but how long have you been installing dishs

 

[AZ.]

Dude what dont you understand! A breaker has only 2 uses.....Direct shorts of current overload....If you removed your ground it would not effect over current....remove a ground you remove the short a a breaker dosent blow.....this aint rocket science but it is AC wiring theory.....You have yet to give any explanation I have continued to give yoy blow by blow theory and reason!!!!! Bugering somthing up with out fixing the problem isnt a solution!!!!!

 

[AZ.]

If you have a short.....you get an arch....as this continues everytime its reset its aches again.....each time carbon is created...carbon is a resistance....after a while you have a short that has resistance because of the carbon.....Now over time it heats up and causes a fire!....This is the same way a heater or blow dryer works.....its a short, with resistance, with resistance there is heat, hence over time a fire!

 

[Frank7004]

Your kidding right???? Its called a short with resistance! LOL....of course when you disconected the ground it stoped blowing the breaker....Just a heads up...If you still have this situation your home is a ticking time bomb....PLEASE call a qualifyed electrician to get this matter taken care of......Any posabilitys of removing a ground can cause floating voltages, back feeds, electrical shocks or DEATH!....It sounds more like a fire waiting to happen.....please ,please please, hear my warning you have a very seriouse situation and take care of it ASAP!!!!!! Seriously!!!!!!

PS. The old fashon way of proving your short with the old twist fuses, was to screw a light bulb into were the fuse was...your situation would of light the bulb....please be carefull I will not continue this any farther!!!!!

I told the customer the same thing.

 

[AZ.]

I told the customer the same thing.

Should of walked away...Call superviser, and return after problem fixed....some responsbility is now on you and you company.

 

[SaltiDawg]

If you have a short.....you get an arch....as this continues everytime its reset its aches again.....each time carbon is created...carbon is a resistance....after a while you have a short that has resistance because of the carbon.....Now over time it heats up and causes a fire!....This is the same way a heater or blow dryer works.....its a short, with resistance, with resistance there is heat, hence over time a fire!

You should read this post in the cold sober light of day and see if it makes sense.