Lifetime: Sports, Porn, Not Us?

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As the days tick down to it being permanently dropped, Lifetime Television Tuesday placed an ad criticizing EchoStar Communications Corp. for offering 46 sports networks and seven pornography channels.

As part of an ongoing ad campaign, Lifetime ran a second full-page ad in The New York Times. The latest ad’s headline pointed out that while EchoStar’s Dish Network has spots for various sports and porn services on its lineup, Lifetime and Lifetime Movie Network “can’t make the cut.”

The ad charged, “It’s obvious that Dish doesn’t value women.”

Over the weekend, testy contract negotiations between Lifetime and EchoStar officials once again broke down. Lifetime and LMN have been off Dish since New Year’s Day after both sides failed to reach a contract renewal. The distributor and programmer are arguing over the rate increase Lifetime is seeking.

In response to Lifetime’s ad Tuesday, EchoStar reiterated its allegation that the programmer is playing politics while the issue at hand has to do with economics.

“They are trying to pressure us, using politics, when they should be dealing with economics,” EchoStar spokesman Marc Lumpkin said.

He added that Dish offers a number of channels with programming for women, noting, “Not any one person can get 46 sports channels, and a lot of women enjoy sports.”

EchoStar has already replaced LMN with Oxygen, and the direct-broadcast satellite provider said Sunday that it plans to permanently replace Lifetime at the end of the month.

On Monday, EchoStar said it was willing to offer Lifetime a la carte free-of-charge to customers who requested it. EchoStar said it would pay Lifetime the last rate the programmer proposed for the network for each of those a la carte subscribers.

Lifetime has turned down Dish’s a la carte proposal, saying that all of EchoStar’s subscribers should be getting the women’s channel.

Lifetime’s ad urges Dish subscribers to switch to DirecTV Inc. or their local cable operator.

Lifetime and Oxygen also put out press releases touting their scores in the “2005 Beta Research Corp. Cable Operator Carriage” study, released Tuesday.

Lifetime Real Women -- which Lifetime wanted Dish to launch -- ranked No. 1 in interest among cable operators that plan to add one or more channels to digital cable this year.

And Oxygen ranked No. 1 as the network cable operators are most interested in adding to their analog or expanded-basic offerings by the end of the year.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6301725.html?display=Breaking+News&referral=SUPP&nid=2226
 
Hmmm, a cable hack posting an article trying to call E* a chauvenist company and urging customer to switch to cable (or DirecTV).


move along.
 
iKramerica said:
Hmmm, a cable hack posting an article trying to call E* a chauvenist company and urging customer to switch to cable (or DirecTV).


move along.
I posted this without any opinion of my own, granted when this first started with Echostar and Lifetime. I made some comment about either get c band w/ 4dtv, cable tv, or DirecTV in another post. I didn't just advocate one source. Yes, I am a cable technician not a hack. As always, thank you for your 2 cents. :rolleyes:
 
cablewithaview said:
Lifetime Television Tuesday placed an ad criticizing EchoStar Communications Corp. for offering 46 sports networks and seven pornography channels.


Seven porn channels? Sounds like Dish values women very highly! . . . . Oh did they mean as viewers? :D
 
I am really getting sick of those idiots at Lifetime posting this crap about the Adult Pay Per View channels. It is not a apples to apples argument as Lifetime is not a Pay Per View channel.

They are really pulling at straws here now.
 
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Dish made them a good offer and Lifetime has ignored it.

Dish even offered to provide the service for FREE to customers who requested the channel.

I guess LIFETIME really does not want women watching their channel.

But in the end it has NOTHING to do with women and all about following the money trail.
 
BrianMis said:
I am really getting sick of those idiots at Lifetime posting this crap about the Adult Pay Per View channels. It is not a apples to apples argument as Lifetime is not a Pay Per View channel.
They are really pulling at straws here now.

Notice they didn't point out the new "Family Tier" coming soon, as well as all the family programming already available. How many channels are devoted to children's programming as well? Typical political maneuver to see only what you want to see, Lifetime should be ashamed.
 
Cable guy,


Your avatar tells us you think cable is the solution, and you claim to post this without bias?

Give me a break! It's like colleges where 95% of the faculty vote Democrat claiming they don't have bias.

The article may be "balanced" but the motive isn't, and surely the title isn't.

I mean, how about "sports, chidrens programming, christian programming, educational programming, free speach programming, OTHER women's programming, and not Us?" Lifetime is trying to paint a picture that isn't true, as Dish carries programming of all kinds, not anti-women programming. They just don't pay Lifetime for their channels anymore. It's not a hate crime, yet...

I mean, paroting the biased view of Lifetime in your title sure does indicate you have an agenda here. Your avatar does too. Your past comments telling people to switch to anything else (knowing cable is usually the easiest), don't help.
 
E* should buy their own ad saying....

Reiterate their a la carte offer. (E* offers choice - Lifetime wants to take away your ability to say no...... Hey Lifetime, sometimes "No" really means "No", sound familiar?)

Offer to open up all the details of the contract to finally explain what the fuss is all about. Yes, Lifetime and LMN may be only going up a few pennies, it's the new channel they don't want that is the crux of the problem - Lifetime thought they would cave since E* did with Viacom over NickToons being added.....

Talk about how they exchanged a woman owned Oxygen channel for Lifetime as well as Fine Living (Both steps up for me).

Reiterate their offer to air any PSAs Lifetime produces for free and intersperse them in programming to eliminate the "vital info" argument.

Every day that Lifetime bashes them in the ads, they should have another ready to go the next day. They aren't just fighting Lifetime, they are fighting every programming entity who wants to hold a gun to the head of the distributors to force them to carry WHAT they want at how MUCH they want to get for it.

E* has done rpretty well, at proposing solutions that undermine every one of Lifetime's claims. Now they just need to publicize them better.......
 
Weezknight said:
Notice they didn't point out the new "Family Tier" coming soon, as well as all the family programming already available. How many channels are devoted to children's programming as well? Typical political maneuver to see only what you want to see, Lifetime should be ashamed.

It's all just spin with Lifetime trying anything they can to make Dish look bad. Right now Lifetime is doing anything they can do (except accepting the latest offer from Dish) to make up the money they are losing. Trust me they are feeling it.

I think it was pretty stupid of Lifetime to shoot down the latest offer from Dish. If it's such a great channel then most of the sub revenue would come back. Sounds to me that they are worried.

Honestly, there is nothing on Lifetime I would let my kids watch (Golden Girls excluded). As far as i'm concerned the channel is crap, the movies they make are crap, and the whole arguement against Dish is crap.
 
Scott Greczkowski said:
Dish made them a good offer and Lifetime has ignored it.
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But in the end it has NOTHING to do with women and all about following the money trail.
Looking at it from Lifetime's POV, the deal would only be slightly better then if Lifetime wasn't carried at all. The majority of customers would never call to opt in to subscribing to Lifetime. Lifetime wants to get paid a fee for all customers, not just the ones that actually request it. I'd be very suprised if Lifetime would get 1/10 of what they were getting before.
 
I find it really amusing that people support E* on this

and they forget about the costly MPEG4 upgrade
about the lease that eveyone is going to sign for 18months
the price increases
the dish upgrade
and the HDlite
and of course all charlie's lies.
 
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spindoctor said:
I find it really amusing that people support D* on this

and they forget about the costly MPEG4 upgrade
about the lease that eveyone is going to sign for 18months
the price increases
the dish upgrade
and the HDlite
and of course all charlie's lies.

Not trying to nitpick but the defacto abbreviation for Dish is E* (Echostar/Dish). D* is used for DirecTv.


NightRyder
 
spindoctor said:
I find it really amusing that people support D* on this

and they forget about the costly MPEG4 upgrade
about the lease that eveyone is going to sign for 18months
the price increases
the dish upgrade
and the HDlite
and of course all charlie's lies.

I think you are the one "forgetting" the most important thing - none of the things you mention have anything to do with Lifetime, and certainly don't mean they are entitled to a damn thing from E*
 
CPanther95 said:
I think you are the one "forgetting" the most important thing - none of the things you mention have anything to do with Lifetime, and certainly don't mean they are entitled to a damn thing from E*


you are right

can i call you ..... charlie's partner


you are fighting for his cause.....


my opinion they can both go to hell, what i care what in it for me and all the important points i made above are what everyone should be concerned with.