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Scott Greczkowski

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Here is the meaning of LIFETIME from the American Heritage Dictionary..​

life·time
n.
  1. The period of time during which an individual is alive.
  2. The period of time during which property, an object, a process, or a phenomenon exists or functions.
adj.
  1. Continuing for a lifetime; lifelong.
  2. Occurring or measured over a person's active career: a lifetime batting average.
This morning I woke up and me and my family decided to go out for breakfast, we have anice breakfast and then came home. We had some odds and ends to do in the house, so we put the baby in his room and turned on the TV so he could watch his PTV collection of shows recorded off of Noggin.​



I pressed the PTV button on my Dishplayer remote and was greeted by a screen welcomeing me to the world of Personal Television, and advising me if I wanted PTV service I needed to call Dish Network to subscribe.​

I called Dish Network and spoke to a friendly rep who appologized for the error and put me on hold to get a solution.... I was on hold for over 20 minutes with the rep coming back often appologizing about keeping me on hold and he was working to fix the problem.​

After 25 minutes or so he came back online and told me he was unable to turn my PTV service on, however for $9.95 a month I could add PTV service to my Dishplayer again. I explained to him I had two Dishplayers and the other one was working fine, and that I purchased my Dishplayers when Dish was offering FREE "LIFETIME" PTV server. The rep was friendly and then put me on hold again. He came back a few moments later and read me a statement from Echostar saying how Dish Networks definition of Lifetime PTV service was only 3 years, he then on and went to say that they could not give me the PTV service because they are no longer partnered with Microsoft.​

I started getting a little upset (but wasnt vocal or anything) and asked to speak to the reps coach, I told him I purchased the unit with LIFETIME service and I wanted the LIFETIME service that I was due. He agreed with me and mentioned that it was out of his hands, he was very friendly the entire time. He put me on hold and instead of getting a supervisor I got someone in advanced tech support.​

Immediately the Advanced tech started reading me the paper the other rep read me. I started getting upset when he kept saying that a lifetime PTV service was only meant to be 3 years and I was lucky to get free PTV up until now.​

I got smart, my cell phone can record up to 15 minutes of a phone call. I was trying to figure out how to enable the recording but couldnt get it to work, however I got smart and told the rep that I was now recording the call and asked him to repeat the statement how a lifetime of service only meant 3 years. The rep went off on me telling me I was violating Virginia State law by recording the conversation, I told him I didn't care about Virginia laws, I was in Connecticut and was followiing Connecticut state laws on recording conversations. After him telling me I couldn't record and me telling him too bad he asked me why I wanted to record him anyways. I told him I had audio from the Charlie Chats and Retailer Charlie Chats where Charlie said the deal was for a lifetime of PTV service and how I was going to take his explanation of Lifetime being only 3 years and was going to take it and file a formal complaint to the state attorney generals office, I was also going to send a copy of the recording to the Clark Howard show, plus I was going to place a MP3 of the call on line for others to download. The phone went silent...​

After a long silence, he said "Sir can I put you on hold for a moment" I said sure... He came back and said he spoke to his supervisor and I was correct and should be getting PTV however there is no code in their computer to allow them to enable the PTV service.​

I told him I didn't buy that as just a few moments before they were trying to sell me the PTV service. I told him to remember I was still recording and that I needed his rep number and also the supervisiors information as well, and on Monday I would be contacting the executive offices for resolution, he got quiet again and asked to put me on hold...​

A few moments later he came back again after speaking to his supervisor, this time he tells me that somehow they magically found a code to give me PTV service back on my Dishplayer. He was also very appologetic about the entire ordeal.​

I went on to talk to him more and tell him I wasn't trying to be a jerk about it, but to me a liftime of service is not 3 years, he went on to agree with me and told me he had to follow the company line. We then talked for a few more moments about some other things and we ended our call (and I had my PTV back)​

All in all the call lasted close to an hour and a half, the entire time though I stood my ground and would no waiver, and while I was not actually recording, they did not like the fact that I said I was recording.​

The moral of the story is if you purchased something and were promised something, just don't sit there and take it, stand your line when you know you are correct and FIGHT FOR IT. After all a lifetime is not 3 years.​
 
Sounds somewhat similar to TiVo's lifetime purchase which is for the life of that particular device, not your device. Change devices and start over. However, setting an arbitrary period is absurd.
 
Bought and Cancelled a phase 3 dish a few weeks ago from D*... after buying was given a number to call in order to pick up to self install from whomever would have it locally. Was given a code in order to bypass the area code/phone number route....when I got the other Csr, was informed that self installs were not allowed. I asked to speak to her supervisor and was told nope. Told her to cancel the phase 3 was told I would get a "call back from a supervisor" I hung up... 4 hours later after I found one in town, installed and had working... I got a call from a supervisor I told him to cancel the 69 buck deal, I had bought one for 99 bucks and that installing a phase 3 dish was nothing compared to a C-band or hooking up a Dpp44 with wing sats...(phase 3 was simple....) moral... Csr's are mostly a pain...
 
Scott,

Unless you activated your PTV service on your Dishplayer during the first 2 weeks in June of 2000, the PTV service was for 3 years.

But considering that Echostar is loosing customers left and right, I guess their definition of lifetime service would only be 3 years :(
 
chaddux said:
Sounds somewhat similar to TiVo's lifetime purchase which is for the life of that particular device, not your device. Change devices and start over. However, setting an arbitrary period is absurd.

NOT on the D-Tivo's - THEIR lifetime is per the ACCOUNT, NOT any specific box. I know because I have it & had the original box crash - NO problems whatsoever getting it on ALL of mine to this day. (my monthly D* bill even says "lifetime Tivo" on it every month)
 
dishrich said:
NOT on the D-Tivo's - THEIR lifetime is per the ACCOUNT, NOT any specific box. I know because I have it & had the original box crash - NO problems whatsoever getting it on ALL of mine to this day. (my monthly D* bill even says "lifetime Tivo" on it every month)

There is no lifetime option for a DirecTV TiVo, according to DirecTV and TiVo.
 
chaddux said:
There is no lifetime option for a DirecTV TiVo.

Not any MORE, but there USED to be, BEFORE D* took over all of the D-Tivo support. ALL D* subs that bought lifetime D-Tivo (this was back when the monthly service WAS $10) are grandfathered in for LIFE, as long as our accounts are active. (& it IS "real" lifetime - not some 3-year BS; we all got it IN WRITING from D* themselves when they took over the Tivo service)

Quite honestly, if I had dreamed they were going to drop the monthly fee by 1/2, I would NOT have done it, but I did, so...
 
n0qcu said:
They had one at the begining but discontuned the option.

It is interesting that they charge a single 4.99/month fee regardless of how many DVRs you have.
 
Pays for the guide data subscription, I would imagine - since either TVGuide or Zap2It are probably selling Tivo/D* the data for a hefty fee. I'm personally pretty curious how Sage and Snapstream, et al., get away for free, but that's probably because they're small potatoes compared to D* & Tivo.
 
Just to let everyone know. The first CSR probaly did not have the code to put the code on for the free PTV. The advanced tech was probably in the same situation. The advanced tech would have to call Dish Support and ask them if they would put the code on the account. I understand your frustration, but I'm sure the CSRs were frustrated too.
 
Bear said:
Pays for the guide data subscription, I would imagine - since either TVGuide or Zap2It are probably selling Tivo/D* the data for a hefty fee. I'm personally pretty curious how Sage and Snapstream, et al., get away for free, but that's probably because they're small potatoes compared to D* & Tivo.

I don't think anyone asked what the fee was for. The companies say it is for the guide data. It is all just a way to make money.
 
miguelaqui said:
Just to let everyone know. The first CSR probaly did not have the code to put the code on for the free PTV. The advanced tech was probably in the same situation. The advanced tech would have to call Dish Support and ask them if they would put the code on the account. I understand your frustration, but I'm sure the CSRs were frustrated too.
A customer should not have to go through that, EVER. That's one of the problems.
 
Scott Greczkowski said:
A customer should not have to go through that, EVER. That's one of the problems.

The one thing about customer service operations, regardless of the company, that always annoys me is that regardless of how many times you call, if you ask the same question, you will get a different answer the majority of the time. The run-around is what drives customers away.
 
Scott Greczkowski said:
A customer should not have to go through that, EVER. That's one of the problems.

Quite true! A customer should not ever go through that sort of headache. Unfortunately it happens all the time in large corporations all over. The best examples that come to mind are Microsoft and Dell Computer. Call one of these companies for support and plan to be there for quite a while... sadly it seems to be the nature of the beast anymore.
 
Gary if you think thats surprising you should read what going on with the retailers over at the DishRetailer site, some of these stories would curl your hair.
 

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