NW 129 -- 24" or + dish

[cebbigh]

On the old scale I gained about 10 points going from a 500 to the 24.

Here are the current readings on the 24 at peak (actually had to wait for a drop when I got to TP32.) Each number disregards the initial signal acquisition number and includes the hi/low normal variation at peak.

1- 43/44
2- 40/41
4- 50/51
5- 47/50
6- 34/36
7- 39/41
8- 43/44
9- 45/46
10- 49/50
11- 37/39
12- 48/50
13- 48/50
16- 46/47
17- 47/48
18- 35/37
19- 52/53
21- 48/50
22- 41/43
23- 45/46
27- 46/47
30- 50/53
32- 50/52

Previous readings on tp31 would peak at 62, but of course I can't see them right now. Hope something special is planned for 31.:

Hope to post the readings off the 30 inch later today.

 

[digiblur]

Previous readings on tp31 would peak at 62, but of course I can't see them right now. Hope something special is planned for 31.:

Hope to post the readings off the 30 inch later today.

TP 31 is still cooking w/ 8PSK but is completely void of video streams.

 

[kstuart]

I'm planning on mounting this to the top of my chimney. I hope that wind isn't a problem with a dish this size. Any comments?

Is there no sight of 129 lower down ? My 30-inch dish is mounted just higher than the peak snow level. IE A few feet off the ground. Much less exposed and easier to access.

Also, once you do go as high as a chimney, don't you have sight of 61.5 up there ? The 61.5 signal is certainly quite a bit stronger.

 

[downriver]

after messing around with these dishes for some time I would say the first rule of thumb is find a line of sight in a place that can be easily reached. I moved my 24" dish from my garage peak which was 24' to a 6' pole in the ground and can easily brush off the snow and make adjustments. 129 here in the PNW is something like 40 degrees so it's up there aways!!!!

 

[cebbigh]

Hmm. I'll discuss another location when he gets here. Just found out that the appointment will be 9am tomorrow (installer got caught up on another job). Will post all the results tomorrow.

 

[cebbigh]

Is there no sight of 129 lower down ? My 30-inch dish is mounted just higher than the peak snow level. IE A few feet off the ground. Much less exposed and easier to access.

Also, once you do go as high as a chimney, don't you have sight of 61.5 up there ? The 61.5 signal is certainly quite a bit stronger.

No go on 61.5. Used to get it clean with a 500. Lost the line of site to young and growing evergreens. I did try pointing the 24 inch and didn't even get a sniff. And at this point with FSNW on 129 I don't want to lose the HD. (Watching the M's has turned into torture but still hoping they will put some college games on in HD).

 

[bhamster]

I'm also interested in what you get out of the 30" Cebbigh I live in bellingham am only getting a 50 on my 211 and 61 on my 622

 

[hedbert]

The HOA can't prevent you from installing more than one dish if you require the need for it. Check the OTARD for more info.

Actually acording to the OTARD http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html they can limit me to one dish.

Q: What types of antennas are covered by the rule?

A: The rule applies to the following types of antennas:

(1) A "dish" antenna that is one meter (39.37") or less in diameter (or any size dish if located in Alaska) and is designed to receive direct broadcast satellite service, including direct-to-home satellite service, or to receive or transmit fixed wireless signals via satellite.

This is the same rule in my HOA bylays. "A dish" = One. I am actually on my HOA board and I have spoken with our lawyers.

 

[digiblur]

Actually acording to the OTARD FCC Fact Sheet on Placement of Antennas they can limit me to one dish.

Q: What types of antennas are covered by the rule?

A: The rule applies to the following types of antennas:

(1) A "dish" antenna that is one meter (39.37") or less in diameter (or any size dish if located in Alaska) and is designed to receive direct broadcast satellite service, including direct-to-home satellite service, or to receive or transmit fixed wireless signals via satellite.

This is the same rule in my HOA bylays. "A dish" = One. I am actually on my HOA board and I have spoken with our lawyers.

I don't think so... say for instance you have DirecTV and require locals on 72.5. You will need two dishes. The HOA can't prevent you from getting your TV.

If I ever lived in a neighborhood with an HOA, they'd hate me!

 

[hedbert]

I don't think so... say for instance you have DirecTV and require locals on 72.5. You will need two dishes. The HOA can't prevent you from getting your TV.

If I ever lived in a neighborhood with an HOA, they'd hate me!

OK show me where it says that an HOA can not limit you to one dish. "A dish"=1

 

[digiblur]

OK show me where it says that an HOA can not limit you to one dish. "A dish"=1

Show me where it says you can only have one antenna.

EDIT: Nevermind... your question was easy:

Q: Can a restriction limit the number of antennas that may be installed at a particular location?

The Commission’s rule covers the antennas necessary to receive service. Therefore, a local rule may not, for example, allow only one antenna if more than one antenna is necessary to receive the desired service.

 

[digiblur]

I did! The FCC rule states that the HOA or Landlord has to allow you "A dish". That means one dish. Plus it is in my bylays, and HOAs can have more power then you might think.

FCC Fact Sheet on Placement of Antennas

Sorry, but you missed my edit. It's not a one dish limit. Just to piss people off and their stupid HOA laws I'd guarantee you I'd have DirecTV, DishNetwork, Starchoice, BellExpressVU, and a motorized dish. They'd all be one meter dishes too! Along with my CM4228 and cell phone repeater antenna. Why not stop there...I'd have an external Sirius antennna to boot too.

"You're gonna look at my antennas and you're gonna like it!"

 

[cebbigh]

On the old scale I gained about 10 points going from a 500 to the 24.

Here are the current readings on the 24 at peak (actually had to wait for a drop when I got to TP32.) Each number disregards the initial signal acquisition number and includes the hi/low normal variation at peak.

1- 43/44
2- 40/41
4- 50/51
5- 47/50
6- 34/36
7- 39/41
8- 43/44
9- 45/46
10- 49/50
11- 37/39
12- 48/50
13- 48/50
16- 46/47
17- 47/48
18- 35/37
19- 52/53
21- 48/50
22- 41/43
23- 45/46
27- 46/47
30- 50/53
32- 50/52

Previous readings on tp31 would peak at 62, but of course I can't see them right now. Hope something special is planned for 31.:

Hope to post the readings off the 30 inch later today.

They just left approx 30 min ago after installing the 30 inch. VERY PLEASED with the results. Not only are the numbers much higher but having observed two drops the loss was significantly lower (tp27 dropped to 45 and then rebounded). Of course time will tell but so far I couldn't be happier.

1- 53/55
2- 50/51
4- 58/59
5- 61/62
6- 45/47
7- 53/54
8- 54/55
9- 61/62
10- 59/60
11- 51/52
12- 59/61
13- 62/64
16- 61/62
17- 64/65
18- 49/50
19- 61/62
21- 59/60
22- 52/53
23- 55/56
27- 60/61
30- 59/60
32- 60/61

I was also very happy with the installation. Home Satellite Sales and Service sent 2 people out to do the job and it was done very professionally. I'm not sure what the rules are here regarding placing plugs. I guess if anyone wants their tn. just send me an p.m.

 

[harshness]

I am close to you and used a 18" dish pointed at 61.5 which has worked great.

I can't fathom how having a 61.5W dish is going to help a Seattle subscriber.

I have a 24" dish and I'm not sure I've lost signal since I installed it.

 

[RandallA]

They just left approx 30 min ago after installing the 30 inch. VERY PLEASED with the results. Not only are the numbers much higher but having observed two drops the loss was significantly lower (tp27 dropped to 45 and then rebounded). Of course time will tell but so far I couldn't be happier.

1- 53/55
2- 50/51
4- 58/59
5- 61/62
6- 45/47
7- 53/54
8- 54/55
9- 61/62
10- 59/60
11- 51/52
12- 59/61
13- 62/64
16- 61/62
17- 64/65
18- 49/50
19- 61/62
21- 59/60
22- 52/53
23- 55/56
27- 60/61
30- 59/60
32- 60/61

I was also very happy with the installation. Home Satellite Sales and Service sent 2 people out to do the job and it was done very professionally. I'm not sure what the rules are here regarding placing plugs. I guess if anyone wants their tn. just send me an p.m.

Very nice! Hope all your troubles go away with the bigger dish.

 

[cebbigh]

Very nice! Hope all your troubles go away with the bigger dish.

Thank you. This is huge for me. I'll be ever so happy to stop complaining about E5 if the results hold up like they look now.

 

[downriver]

Those readings are similar to my 24" dish. What are the actual measurements (width and height) on a 30" dish????

 

[cebbigh]

Those readings are similar to my 24" dish. What are the actual measurements (width and height) on a 30" dish????

You are lucky, wish I was able to get similar readings with the 24. Wish I could look at the numbers with the old scale just because I was so much more accustomed to it. But I do know that I was right in the ballpark with others up here with the 24. My numbers were never really that bad at peak. It was the 30 minute repeating fade that was the problem. The more north you are the worse the problem.

I just assumed it was 30"X30". Didn't measure it before it went up and now that it's on the roof not inclined to go up there with a tape measure. Just as a visual impression though the 24" looked a little larger than the 500. Compared to the 24 the 30 looks huge up close. Now that it's on the roof it doesn't look all that large though.

 

[kstuart]

Those readings are similar to my 24" dish. What are the actual measurements (width and height) on a 30" dish????

Just Google "Winegard DS-2077" and you'll get:

- This thread.

- "Antenna height 34.3in; Antenna width 31.5in; "

- and this review from 2003:

The Winegard [...] dish has been made for some time now and has been proven to me to be a standard for quality. The dish is solid like a rock and because of the quality of the manufacturing you do not have to worry about making adjustments years later repointing the dish. This is probably the only dish I have seen that has the best quality of plating on their bolts that resist oxidation and rust. If you ever had to move the dish to point to another satellite there is no worry of snapping bolts and replacing them for the local hardware store. The bake enamel grey finnish is perfect and you will probably never see oxidation on the serface for at lest for five years I have owned their products.

 

[cebbigh]

That's good to hear. I thought that it was well made when I was assembling it. Actually like that it doesn't have writing on it too. For something so big it doesn't look obnoxious on the chimney (Had to settle for chimney mount, too many trees. With active kids and my malamute and crazed border collie/husky mix the back yard probably would have had drawbacks too).

One thing the installer did that surprised me was substitute the curved arm with a straight one. They said in their experience with a dish this size it holds it's posistion better over time.