Signal Issues on TBS with Yankees Game

[CU2000]

Yesterday there was a message pop up indicating a total failure due to weather on TBS during yankees game, The Weather was clear here in Northern Missouri.
Did anybody else experience this?

 

[tanman]

Yesterday there was a message pop up indicating a total failure due to weather on TBS during yankees game, The Weather was clear here in Northern Missouri.
Did anybody else experience this?

I started a similar thread on Saturday concerning the Phillies-Braves game. Solar outages (as proposed by cpdretired) makes sense.

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[Scott Greczkowski]

Yup its solar outage season.

 

[Jim S.]

Now wait a minute... Solar outages for me in Pennsylvania were almost two weeks ago. If you were at the equator, they'd have been four weeks ago at the equinox. So for anyone south of me (not you, Scott, but CU2000 says they're in MO), they should've been earlier than me, not later.

 

[raoul5788]

Now wait a minute... Solar outages for me in Pennsylvania were almost two weeks ago. If you were at the equator, they'd have been four weeks ago at the equinox. So for anyone south of me (not you, Scott, but CU2000 says they're in MO), they should've been earlier than me, not later.

It doesn't matter so much where you are, but where the signals are uploaded and downloaded.

 

[Jim S.]

The uplink site shouldn't have anything to do with it since the satellite's antenna would be facing the earth instead of the sun (I'm assuming they're using a dish or some form of directional antenna anyway), but even if it did, we should be past the outage time even for the Canadian border.

 

[dweber]

Several internet sites mention Fall Solar outages from October 3-12 for 2022. The outage should only last 8-12 minutes.

 

[sam_gordon]

It doesn't matter so much where you are, but where the signals are uploaded and downloaded.

Uplink site doesn't matter. Sun outages don't affect the uplink. They affect the downlink site (the sun is directly behind the satellite and "overpowering" the signal going from the satellite to the downlink site).

If the problem was upstream of the user, EVERYONE would have the same problem at the same time (if Dish/ESPN/TBS had reception problems, everyone would see that).

 

[raoul5788]

Uplink site doesn't matter. Sun outages don't affect the uplink. They affect the downlink site (the sun is directly behind the satellite and "overpowering" the signal going from the satellite to the downlink site).

If the problem was upstream of the user, EVERYONE would have the same problem at the same time (if Dish/ESPN/TBS had reception problems, everyone would see that).

If the sun was behind and inline with the satellite and uplink facility, that couldn't cause a signal loss?

 

[sam_gordon]

If the sun was behind and inline with the satellite and uplink facility, that couldn't cause a signal loss?

It causes a signal loss to the uplink facility's RECEIVE capability. It doesn't affect their uplink.

The satellite is looking "down" at the earth. It's receiver (and for that matter, transmit) antennas are pointing at the earth. There's no solar interference.

The dishes on the earth are looking "up" at the satellites. If the sun is directly behind the satellite, it gives off enough "signal" to interfere with the receiving station.

 

[Don in CT]

Would this cause problems with every satellite up there or just Dish?

 

[cosmo_kramer]

Would this cause problems with every satellite up there or just Dish?

Only Dish, and only TBS during a Yankees game.

 

[Don in CT]

Only Dish, and only TBS during a Yankees game.

So is Dish pulling the feed direct from TBS via fiber or are they pulling it from the satellite.

 

[tsunami2311]

Yup its solar outage season.

maybe this is why i been seeing so much random scrambling on tbs/tnt/cartoon network bunch other channels i watch, it been going for few months now

 

[raoul5788]

maybe this is why i been seeing so much random scrambling on tbs/tnt/cartoon network bunch other channels i watch, it been going for few months now

If it's for months, it's not solar outages.

 

[sam_gordon]

Would this cause problems with every satellite up there or just Dish?

It affects every satellite and every point on earth. HOWEVER, it effects each satellite at a different time AND each point on earth at a different time.

Someone watching something on 129 in NY would see sun fade at a different time than someone watching 129 in California.
Someone watching something on 129 in NY would see sun fade at a different time than someone watching 77 in NY

Sun fade should last about 10-15 minutes at most for any given receiver. And it will be around the same time of day for 3-4 days (twice a year). That's it.

There are all kinds of calculators on line that can tell you when a satellite will have sun fade based on your location.

 

[Don in CT]

It affects every satellite and every point on earth. HOWEVER, it effects each satellite at a different time AND each point on earth at a different time.

Someone watching something on 129 in NY would see sun fade at a different time than someone watching 129 in California.
Someone watching something on 129 in NY would see sun fade at a different time than someone watching 77 in NY

Sun fade should last about 10-15 minutes at most for any given receiver. And it will be around the same time of day for 3-4 days (twice a year). That's it.

There are all kinds of calculators on line that can tell you when a satellite will have sun fade based on your location.

What satellite is TBS coming off of? Wouldn't that affect every provider and every network on that satellite.

 

[sam_gordon]

What satellite is TBS coming off of? Wouldn't that affect every provider and every network on that satellite.

Looks like its on Galaxy 30. Yes, all MVPDs using that satellite will have sunfade issues. BUT, providers and MVPDs know about sunfade (it's not new), and have ways of getting around it.

They might:
A) Rely on another downlink site and send it (either via fiber/sat/internet) to the head end.
B) Rely on a secondary means of reception (fiber/internet)
C) Record a prefeed of the programming and play it back at the appropriate time.

 

[tanman]

sam_gordon "It's not new" .Thanks for the chuckle of the day!