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Jhon69

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This is the problem I see, I had DIsh for 14 years, did not need to subscribe to any other service but the price was too high. Switched to YTTV, added some other services to fill in the gaps and was still paying less than Dish. 3 short years later YTTV has gone from $35 to $65, Netflix has gone up and I still have to backfill with some other streaming to get what I like. So now I am paying close to $90 per mo for everything. When I left Dish i was down to paying about the same (had been much higher with extra hoppers and top tier package). Where does a cord cutter go next?
We knew the price was going up someday there were several articles when YTTV started that said they were losing money.subscribers have to remember
how much it cost when we had cable and satellite all the little addon fees that we were charged,how much more money we paid for programming.
That said it is still in the eyes of the beholder if it is worth it,for me I watch alot of TV,so it is worth it to me.
A cord cutter does not have to change there are a whole bunch of free apps it may not be what you would like to watch but you can still watch something.
That was never the option before.
 

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Yes but the previous sources, cable and satellite, had infrastructure costs to deliver their products. YTTV is getting a free ride on the Internet connections we are paying for. They also aren't pulling any wire or providing any boxes.
 
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Yes but the previous sources, cable and satellite, had infrastructure costs to deliver their products. YTTV is getting a free ride on the Internet connections we are paying for. They also aren't pulling any wire or providing any boxes.
Don't you think that these streaming companies have to negotiate and pay for the programming they provide? Don't you think they have to pay for the servers they push that programming out on? Their costs go up just like cable and satellite.
 

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Yes but the previous sources, cable and satellite, had infrastructure costs to deliver their products. YTTV is getting a free ride on the Internet connections we are paying for. They also aren't pulling any wire or providing any boxes.
What makes you think Google isn't incurring any cost to deliver YTTV to customers? They pay for internet connectivity to backbone providers which carry the streams to customers, and bandwidth costs $$, even for Google. All the analysis that has been done still shows satellite is the least expensive way to deliver content to customers even with truck rolls and providing STBs. The difference is people now want to place shift as well as time shift, thanks to Netflix and their ilk. That said, I do think it is important to factor in ISP costs as part of the total cost when considering the decision to with OTT Live services, especially if your ISP has data caps.
 

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That said, I do think it is important to factor in ISP costs as part of the total cost when considering the decision to with OTT Live services, especially if your ISP has data caps.
I don't, I would have broadband ( had it since 97 at 10 download back then) no matter what TV provider I have, one does not have anything to with the other.
 
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OK - what the heck? We recorded Good Girls, NBC, and got the whole newest season. We watch episodes 1 and 2, were going to watch 3 last night, and all episodes before 5 were gone! Why would it delete episodes?
On demand episodes cycle off on the network's schedule, usually after 5 weeks. Recorded shows expire after 9 months.
 
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I don't, I would have broadband ( had it since 97 at 10 download back then) no matter what TV provider I have, one does not have anything to with the other.
It is a fair thing to include any additional costs due to streaming and that includes paying for either faster speed, or in many cases to get around data caps.
 

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Most basic internet plans have plenty of speed and bandwidth for watching YouTube TV 12+ hours a day, along other regular internet needs. The exception being if you have a large family or stream a lot of 4K content.
 

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I don't, I would have broadband ( had it since 97 at 10 download back then) no matter what TV provider I have, one does not have anything to with the other.
If you don't upgrade your connection for OTT Live streaming, or there is no penalty for having internet service without video service like many cable companies charge, and you have no data caps to worry about, then there really isn't anything to consider. Not everyone falls into that category though.
 

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It is a fair thing to include any additional costs due to streaming and that includes paying for either faster speed, or in many cases to get around data caps.
Again I have faster speed and no data caps is because I like having faster speed and no data caps.

And I do other things with it then live TV, downloading games for one example, watching any other streaming service and I like having the faster speed so I don't have to deal with slow downs.

I remember once 3 TVs playing 4K on Netflix, son was watching TV, downloading a game on the PS4, updating his computer and on his iPad while the daughter watching TV and on her iPad and not even a blip in the broadband.

As far as paying for no Data Caps (+$15, total $95 with 1G speed), I was going over even with no Live Service, average was 1.2TB, with about 1.6TB, the vast majority of stuff we watch is in 4K which always pushes us right over since the TV is always on.

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Most basic internet plans have plenty of speed and bandwidth for watching YouTube TV 12+ hours a day, along other regular internet needs. The exception being if you have a large family or stream a lot of 4K content.
I watch about that much time, well actually I’m streaming about that much every day even if I’m not actively watching. With a probably about an hour a day average of 4K content. I hit 1.2TB of data usage pretty much every month which means I need the 200Mbps tier because of its 2TB limit.

If I wasn’t all streaming these days wouldn’t need that level.
 

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What makes you think Google isn't incurring any cost to deliver YTTV to customers? They pay for internet connectivity to backbone providers which carry the streams to customers, and bandwidth costs $$, even for Google. All the analysis that has been done still shows satellite is the least expensive way to deliver content to customers even with truck rolls and providing STBs. The difference is people now want to place shift as well as time shift, thanks to Netflix and their ilk. That said, I do think it is important to factor in ISP costs as part of the total cost when considering the decision to with OTT Live services, especially if your ISP has data caps.
I really don't think I said that. Google is providing zero of the infrastructure the sat and cable providers provide and no installation costs. No boxes, no house wiring, no cable/fiber down the street, no cable/fiber to the house, no modems, no receivers, no power supplies, and no repair services.
 

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I really don't think I said that. Google is providing zero of the infrastructure the sat and cable providers provide and no installation costs. No boxes, no house wiring, no cable/fiber down the street, no cable/fiber to the house, no modems, no receivers, no power supplies, and no repair services.
OK. You wrote they were getting a "free ride." I took that to mean you thought they didn't pay anything to deliver their content. They do not have the specific costs you listed above, but they do have significant costs in server infrastructure, software development, and bandwidth which are probably not that different at the end of the day than a cable company, especially on a per-customer basis.
 

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After talking to my wife, who isn't interested in changing right now, I decided to cancel my YT Premium subscription to cut back on the cost a bit. I might have fool around with putting a DNS service that blocks ads on my Firesticks. The pi-hole seemed to stop blocking YT ads for some reason.
 

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After talking to my wife, who isn't interested in changing right now, I decided to cancel my YT Premium subscription to cut back on the cost a bit. I might have fool around with putting a DNS service that blocks ads on my Firesticks. The pi-hole seemed to stop blocking YT ads for some reason.
My wife said no way to a switch, she is happy with YTTV, she knows how it works, likes it and does not want to learn a new way to watch live TV.

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And that's that!! End of discussion.:yes
ncted's wife also said no to losing YTTV, yet I get the snarky comment.

And yes, she has a say in it also, she wants to get me out of the save every penny mode I was in for 30 years, she says we are in our early fifties, retired, moving into our dream house ( actually her dream house), lets not worry about little things, like saving $30 a month.
 
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ncted's wife also said no to losing YTTV, yet I get the snarky comment.

And yes, she has a say in it also, she wants to get me out of the save every penny mode I was in for 30 years, she says we are in our early fifties, retired, moving into our dream house ( actually her dream house), lets not worry about little things, like saving $30 a month.
Sorry.:sorrysign:hail
 
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My biggest issue right now, outside of the non-existent for all practical purposes guide and some other GUI issues, is lip sync problems. We also use Netflix, Prime, Philo, Hulu, and some Disney+ and Peacock, and YTTV is the only service for which we have lip sync issues, so it is not our two TVs or soundbars or our internet (1 gig service, so 940 Mbps, and connected via ethernet and not wireless.) It tends to be especially more frequent on VOD network shows. And it is extremely annoying and makes watching a show pretty challenging when this problem occurs.

If it was every show, you might could try things like setting audio delay, etc. (though the problem is a delay problem so adding more delay would just make it worse.) But it's not every show. I sent something to Youtube TV and they just said check your internet speed, check your soundbar connection (even though I told them it also happens using TV speakers,) upgrade your TV firmware, etc. I replied the above facts to them, and also that it is never happening at all on other streaming services, and gave them examples that are very repeatable (like my VOD episodes of Zooey's Amazing Playlist) and they don't have an answer.
 

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I have 3 Roku Ultra’s and a Roku 4K stick. I have been having buffering issues while fast forwarding through recorded programs sometime. Happens about half the time now. When I get to the point to play, it will buffer for 7-10 seconds sometime. Amazon 4K Fire Stick’s and Nvidia Shield has no problems with buffering.
I have cleared cache and restarted but nothing helps. I guess my last resort is to delete app then reinstall.
Anyone else notice issues while using YTTV while using any Roku?
 
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