Verizon Redlineing

[LonghornXP]

bpu= board of public utilities http://www.bpu.state.nj.us/home/home.shtml please read you may learn something

You fail to understand the difference between cable TV service being monitored by the BPU and being considered a public utility. Again a public utility can only be considered such if the service is essential to daily life and cable TV on both a federal and state level isn't considered a public utility. A public utility is considered to have a safety net so the said company cannot go bankrupt and cause a loss of an essential life service while cable companies have no safety net. Big difference and yes both services can be monitored by the BPU of New Jersey but that again doesn't mean the cable tv side is a public utility. I deal with government all the time so please do your own research first before telling me todo so.

Now you also answered my question in that Verizon from what you said doesn't want to upgrade all of their own customers with fiber and that will become a problem with getting a franchise agreement from the city but again its not because of them being a public utiltiy but because of the franchise agreement.

Now if Verizon had to cut off copper phone service in those areas to allow fiber in other areas without running fiber into all areas than we will have a big public utility issue but that isn't the case. Now if they are doing what you just said I agree they should wire all their customers to get a franchise agreement for TV service.

 

[LonghornXP]

bpu= board of public utilities http://www.bpu.state.nj.us/home/home.shtml please read you may learn something

View this PDF and the first page says that cable TV under state law isn't considered a public utility.

http://www.bpu.state.nj.us/wwwroot/cable/NJlawbrief2005.pdf

You have just been owned my friend.

 

[Juan]

I am gonna try and explain again. Verizon is broken up into regulated and unregulated companies. The actual fios service is unregulated(treated like a cable co). The physical plant(fiber) is regulated because it also carries phone service. This is different division than fios. Fios is actually a subsidiary within Verizon. Regulated means that Verizon must meet certain maintenance benchmarks or they will be fined.They are more than monitored. THAY ARE REGULATED. Verizon is obligated to provide their physical plant to colocators. (Competeing companies) they can only charge wholesale prices. The bpu cannot demand that fios be made availble in every town Verizon serves but they can require Verizon to upgrade their physical plant to fiber in every town Verizon serves.

 

[LonghornXP]

I am gonna try and explain again. Verizon is broken up into regulated and unregulated companies. The actual fios service is unregulated(treated like a cable co). The physical plant(fiber) is regulated because it also carries phone service. This is different division than fios. Fios is actually a subsidiary within Verizon. Regulated means that Verizon must meet certain maintenance benchmarks or they will be fined.They are more than monitored. THAY ARE REGULATED. Verizon is obligated to provide their physical plant to colocators. (Competeing companies) they can only charge wholesale prices. The bpu cannot demand that fios be made availble in every town Verizon serves but they can require Verizon to upgrade their physical plant to fiber in every town Verizon serves.

Actually any line upgrades that Verizon does even if they are for phone service that Verizon pays for can be done in any area Verizon wants and any area Verizon doesn't want as long as this process doesn't prevent people from getting phone service. Now if lines are getting old and are starting to fail in offering phone service they can be force to upgrade and replace those lines but again they are only required to replace them with what was there and not with something new such as fiber. Again you must learn to figure out the difference in all of these seperate issues.

Again fiber isn't needed for phone service so the state has no right to force Verizon to install fiber to each and every area as long as all areas will still have and not lose phone service during anytime of that process. This is no different than Verizon not being forced to offer all customers DSL service. Now the reason Verizon is being told to wire all their customers is via the franchise agreements and rules the state has in place. Again Verizon isn't being forced to wire every customer with fiber but they are being forced to serve all their customers to get a cable franchise agreement. This just so happens to require every customer needing fiber to get installed.

 

[korsjs]

longhorn, he doesn't get it.

 

[Juan]

Actually any line upgrades that Verizon does even if they are for phone service that Verizon pays for can be done in any area Verizon wants and any area Verizon doesn't want as long as this process doesn't prevent people from getting phone service. Now if lines are getting old and are starting to fail in offering phone service they can be force to upgrade and replace those lines but again they are only required to replace them with what was there and not with something new such as fiber. Again you must learn to figure out the difference in all of these seperate issues.

Again fiber isn't needed for phone service so the state has no right to force Verizon to install fiber to each and every area as long as all areas will still have and not lose phone service during anytime of that process. This is no different than Verizon not being forced to offer all customers DSL service. Now the reason Verizon is being told to wire all their customers is via the franchise agreements and rules the state has in place. Again Verizon isn't being forced to wire every customer with fiber but they are being forced to serve all their customers to get a cable franchise agreement. This just so happens to require every customer needing fiber to get installed.

New Jersey wants to. There is legislation pending The entire verizon backbone (connections between co's) is fiber. Verizon has fiber run to cev(controlled enviromental vaults) in most newer subdivisions. FTTP only addresses the final distribution segment of Verizons Network. When they install fiber they actually remove the old copper lines.. In the Northeast fiber is hung on telco poles. (new jersey and points north). Down south fiber is buried. Fiber plant is part of the "core" company where as dsl and fios are subsidieries "272 companies". Until Verizon won in court , they would have been forced to "share" the fiber lines with competitors (wholesale unbundleing)

 

[Juan]

longhorn, he doesn't get it.

I do get it (more than you realize)

 

[Juan]

View this PDF and the first page says that cable TV under state law isn't considered a public utility.

http://www.bpu.state.nj.us/wwwroot/cable/NJlawbrief2005.pdf

You have just been owned my friend.

Verizon is not a cable company Look up RBOC on the FCC website

 

[LonghornXP]

Verizon is not a cable company Look up RBOC on the FCC website

Verizon in the eyes of the law now is a phone company and phone service is considered a public utility. The fact is as long as Verizon can offer every resident phone service it doesn't make a rats behind how it is offered. It can be offered via ethernet cables, coax cables, fiber cables, copper cables or any cable you can pull out of a lab. Lets look at things this way for a second.

What if Verizon installed fiber alongside the copper. This means that all copper hardware in the CO, poles and everywhere in between will still stay and fully work. Now lets say if Verizon bought all kinds of fiber hardware and ran fiber alongside existing copper wires on all the poles, underground etc. Now lets say if that fiber would only be used for internet and TV service while phone service would stay on the existing copper plant. Now lets say this was done first in Pinellas County and lets say Verizon only installed fiber in Clearwater and not in Largo, Seminole and such. Well as long as Verizon installed fiber to all Clearwater residents they can stop at Clearwater and not upgrade fiber into Largo and such. This is so because cable TV service isn't a public utility and as such the only requirement is getting a franchise agreement with the city. That city would be Clearwater and the city of Clearwater by law cannot deny Verizon a franchise agreement as long as Verizon promises in writing that all residents of Clearwater will get this TV service. Again the city of Clearwater can't deny Verizon just because they don't have an intention to offer video service to the city of Largo. The city of Clearwater has no say in what Verizon does in the city of Largo and vice versa.

Now again like I said above if Verizon didn't want to wire all of Clearwater than the city of Clearwater could deny Verizon a franchise agreement but again that has nothing todo with it being a public utility as this is a franchise agreement issue.

This whole article and issue is the fact that the statewide franchise agreement from what the article says would allow Verizon to get a franchise agreement in a city which they don't have to wire every available customer for it and as such this goes against what current citywide franchise agreements are in place for. Again this has nothing todo with it being a public utility.

Again Verizon is considered a public utility because they are a phone service. Because Verizon is just now getting into Cable TV service the cable TV service side "will not" be considered a public utility no matter how you want to slice it.

Just keep on talking and make yourself sound like more of a fool because it seems you have no idea what your talking about. Again you are 100% right about Verizon being a public utility (just on their primary business which is hard wired phone service) but you are 100% wrong on thinking this extends to the new Verizon TV service. Verizon has always been considered as a hard wired phone service company as their primary business model.