Wah wah. DISH is mean!!!!
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I appreciate the back up but will disagrea on one point, lets change it from the above to what it really is wich is
what I have found it to be wether dnsc or sub / retailer. There had been a few times where I had went out to help fellow dnsc techs and I had to ask them about wether or not they had said anything to the customer about the phone line connection and with one I did it every time because every time he failed to bring it up, last time he did it I just up and left and told my supervisor about and that I had had enough of helping him out of his short comings.
I was the last of two techs and an fsm that got actual hardwiring training in chicago in early 02 from my shop, dish made no efforts to train anyone since then on hardwiring a phone line so all most techs would do is run a line along the wall to a jack, I did a few hardwires but stopped that as it was taking to much time when I would have 5 or 6 jobs to complete and 300 miles to cover.
Any time you have a service call or install theres paper work including a contract form, if you have never seen anything until recently then someones forging your name and or writing on the paper work and possibly putting into your account that you have refused to sign paper work.
You must be kidding... Six months is no more than two college courses. It's criminal to even put someone like that in a courtroom. And good for your professor, let me shake his hand and we can have some drinks.
You're talking about a multi-billion dollar Fortune 500 company that has unlimited resources and who each member of the legal staff makes more on retainer than you'll see in your lifetime. You can be as confident as you like, but unless you have a Juris Doctorate, I'd play by the rules if I were you. Theorterical law and courtroom law are two different things.
In case you're wondering, three years; contract, tort, employment law and counting.
6 months is 2 Sections with multiple classes.
Criminal? No. Obviously you know that. Not a good idea? Probably not (didn't I mention that already?) (btw, not that it matters, but my contract law education occurred after my court appearances)
I wasn't wondering. Don't care. I know the law well enough for this argument. If there is no meeting of the minds, there is no contract - of course making the argument could prove cumbersome.
I did say "Of course, the cost of doing so would probably be higher (in terms of legal expense, risk, and time in court) than it would be worth." So you tell me, if I spend literally a gazillion dollars on legal expenses to go up against Charlie's attorneys (which by the way, he contracts out his little court cases.. and many of these contracted law firms are bumbling fools who know less about the laws involved than the postman does... and they won't bother to research anything because they are so certain that they are geniuses, and their time is too valuable to be bothered by such research for a trivial few dollars), I won't have the possibility of making the "meeting of the minds" argument in court? Having a judge lecture your opponent in court over this matter really drives this point home.
I stand by my statement as written, and really have nothing more to add/argue about. I don't have anything to prove that I haven't already proven personally, so I'll move by to my corner of the forums
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Back to the original subject, storms have tripped my power strip before on my 622s. If I do not notice one of them is off, I have gotten the $5 charge.
And you figure this is how? A 622 is two receivers put into one box plain and simple and if you had two single tuners in your home you would be paying for the additional receiver at $5 a month and theres no way to get out of that unless you have a dual tuner and have it hooked up to a phone line. There are only two legitimate reasons for not having the phone line hooked up, you only have cell service or there is no jack reasonably located within 25ft of the receiver, outside of that if you have a phone jack then hook the line up and live your life.
Do these guys read the user agreements before signing the paperwork?
Guess not.
I installed satellites for 10 years and never saw anybody read the T&C. Primestar had us handing out copies of copies that were illegible!
Not completely disagreeing with you Claude, but where...EXACTLY...does it say an installer has to install a phone jack? Everything I've ever seen says it's the installer's responsibility to connect the receiver to an existing phone jack...within 25 foot; which is the exact length of phone line that is included with every E* receiver. As you stated, if said phone line crosses over a hallway or is otherwise unaesthetically pleasing...then don't do it.
It's admirable that your installers are doing this. At the same time, it's not an E* rule. I understand and appreciate where you're coming from. You're simply trying to (A) help your customers out and (B) minimize any service calls or chargebacks.
How does it screw up your DSL? I have DSL here at my parents house and the phone line has always been connected to the receivers. Never had any problem with it...
Everyone's DSL/phone line situation is different. Just because you don't have problems doesn't mean it isn't an issue at all. I personally have no problems either but I don't discredit others stating that they have issues with DSL and receiver phone line hookup. In that case, I think Dish Network should make an exception because every effort was made to hook up the receivers.
I find it hard to believe that the rcvr (if connected properly with a filter) is messing up the dsl.
Some of the 522's and 322's used to mess with the phone lines, it was a production issue. There are instances to where the homes phone wiring has caused problems as well as bad filters and a back ground or lack of one.
Point blank and I can not say this any more clear, the phone line fee is nothing more then a BULL sh*t charge. My tv does not need to be plugged into my phone line and I mean that. Is having my tv connected to my phone line going to make watching Family Guy any different, NO it will not. Dish Network is nothing more then a tv provider and not the phone company. Which brings me to the next point, call the phone company to come out and install a phone jack, they charge anywhere from 50 to 100 bucks to do it. Dish techs are satellite techs and not phone techs, they don't work for the phone company and I don't expect them to touch my phone line, thats the phone company's job.
Point blank, read the agreement before you sign it.
And why not try BS next time instead of spelling it out for us.
Point Blank, Dish is not a phone company, and its because of that they have no right to touch phone lines. If a dish tech screws up a phone line that causes the phone company to have to come out and fix, who eats that cost, oh yeah let me just say the customer does and not dish. So once again my point is made about this topic.
