NCAA Football 2011-2012

really?? so if I ask what will the weather be tomorrow you can tell me that too mr. I can look into the future.

Michigan fan or VT Hater?

On another note the coaches voting was interesting majority had vt ranked 9th or 10th - Beamer had them higher at 13th than they came out so no favs here

Michigan will beat Va Tech.
Denard Robinson will have a field day !

As for the Coaches poll, it's a JOKE, shouldn't even be a Coaches poll seeing the Coaches don't vote or have time to WATCH the other teams play, and if they are watching the other teams play, they should be preparing THIER team.
 
The whole big 12 and Pac 12 suck at defense. I mean when you allow teams to constantly score 20-30 points against you and the only reason you win is because your offense scored 35-40. Your defense is not good!

the Big 10, The SEC are by far the best defenses in the country, and its really hard to judge the best offenses because well in the pac 12/big12 of course the offense looks good because defense just is not played there.

But we've known this for a LONG time now ....

What looks better to voters, lots of points or Defense ?
 
Our defense leads the nation in turnovers forced and recovered. So their doing something right.

The harris is no better than the coaches poll.
This one is good too.

Here's George Wine's (80-year-old Harris voter) explanation of why he voted Houston (#5) ahead of OSU (#6):

I think the BCS is just a mess," said George Wine, 80, who retired as sports information director at Iowa in 1996 and still writes stories for the Hawkeyes' official site. "I think college football is crying for a playoff system. This voting is highly subjective. I realize that voting is subjective and often arbitrary. I probably don't do as much research ... but who the hell knows whether Oregon is better than Wisconsin?"

Wine, reached by phone at his home in Coralville, Iowa, said he has served as a Harris panelist for five years ("It's a well-paying job," he said) and said he feels his decision to vote Houston ahead of Oklahoma State is justified, because he believes Oklahoma State's lone loss (in double overtime at Iowa State) is a worse loss than that of Houston, which lost by 28 at home to Southern Miss this weekend in the Conference USA championship game.

"Oklahoma State lost to Iowa State, which I think is a very bad loss," said Wine, who said he attends every Iowa game he can. "I think Southern Miss is a very good football team."

Oklahoma State finished third in the Harris and BCS standings, just missing a chance to play LSU for the national title. Houston finished 17th in the overall Harris voting, having not beaten any teams that were in the top 25 all season. Houston was not ranked higher than eighth on any other Harris ballot, while Oklahoma State showed up sixth on two other ballots.



http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/...k-bcs-just-mess
 
But we've known this for a LONG time now ....

What looks better to voters, lots of points or Defense ?


I think a good combination as is seen in the top two SEC teams. While they have put tons of points against other teams, they have allowed much less.

LSU had only 2 games all year in which they allowed more then 20 points. But 9 games where they scored above 40! Plus 2 games above 35!

Alabama had 1 game it allowed more then 20 points and 5 games it scored above 40, with 4 games above 30 points and only 1 game below 20 points (that was the LSU game)
 
Our defense leads the nation in turnovers forced and recovered. So their doing something right.

Ya but you also only have 2 games in which you allowed fewer then 20 points to be scored against you. Heck, Tulsa scored 33 points, Louisiana-Lafayette scored 34 points...
 
I think the MNC game will be a very good and entertaining game, I highly doubt well see anything like the last one.


It will be a good game, but I would much rather watch Ok St vs LSU.. I have no doubt in my mind LSU would win I mean Ok St has not faced a defense even half as good as this. But it will be very entertaining.
 
I see they released how each coach voted yesterday. It was awful nice of Saban to put OSU at #4, I honestly thought he would vote us 5th. I guess Pinkel was trying to garner some brownie points for Missouri's new conference also putting OSU at #4. I don't know what Air Force was thinking putting us at #5.

Graphic: How coaches voted in USA TODAY poll

Troy Calhoun explains his decision to rank Oklahoma State fifth, behind Stanford and Arkansas
December 5th, 2011, 1:48 pm · 3 Comments · posted by Frank Schwab


Of all the coaches that vote in the USA Today Coaches Poll, Air Force coach Troy Calhoun was the only one to put Oklahoma State outside of the top four. He had the Cowboys ranked fifth behind, in order, LSU, Alabama, Stanford and Arkansas. As such, Calhoun is not very popular in Oklahoma right now.

“(T)he fans and media here in Oklahoma are killing him,” Jennifer Singleton, wife of former Air Force running backs coach and current Oklahoma State running backs coach Jemal Singleton, posted on Twitter.
Calhoun took the time in a series of emails today to explain his rationale. First, we can look at Calhoun’s voting history, since he is the only coach who is known to share his ballot every week. On Nov. 13, Calhoun had Oklahoma State No. 2 on his ballot. That week, the Cowboys lost to Iowa State. On Nov. 20, Calhoun moved Oklahoma State to No. 9. He had SEC teams in the top three spots, which will help explain his rationale on his Dec. 5 ballot. Oklahoma State was eighth on his ballot Nov. 27, Then came his final ballot. All of the coaches poll ballots on Dec. 5 are public (I wanted to mention that, although other coaches may allow others in the sports information staff to do the voting and put their name on it, I get Calhoun’s ballot from his own email every week, and have been assured he does all of it).

Calhoun’s ballot drew some ire (one commenter on this blog called him a “horrible human being,” and Louisville Courier-Journal columnist Rick Bozich called out Calhoun for his vote). To Calhoun, Arkansas’ losses at LSU and at Alabama – his No. 1 and 2 teams – weren’t as damaging as Oklahoma State’s loss to Iowa State, and he gave a lot of credit to the level of competition Arkansas plays, going against “SEC bodies” every week.
“Both losses vs. clear cut two best teams in country at Tuscaloosa and at Baton Rouge,” Calhoun said in an email explaining placing 2-loss Arkansas over Oklahoma State.
Very simply, Calhoun has a lot of respect for SEC football.
“SEC football is like Big East hoops from ’85-’87,” Calhoun said in an email. “If you dispersed teams to regional playoffs, when you have to earn trips to Final Fours there may be 2 or 3 SEC teams there. Kind of like those Final Fours which included Georgetown, Syracuse, Villanova, Providence and St John’s.”

Calhoun also shared his list of strengths and weaknesses of his top teams, and what he considered for each of them. Here it is (cleaned up a bit for grammar and punctuation):
Tough decision between 4 teams (Stanford, OK St, Arkansas and Oregon) for spots 3-6.

Strengths:
Stanford won in LA vs USC, Dominant both offensively and defensively in many games, willing to play good non-conf game vs Notre Dame

OK St- very explosive offensively, best win at home in close one over K St, also top 20 W’s over Baylor and depleted (lost RBs and WRs late in season) Oklahoma, played 6 road games

Oregon won 11 games to include at Stanford, won a conf championship game, willing to play non conf game vs LSU in Dallas

Arkansas play in superb football league, physical and athletic on both sides of ball, convincing win over South Carolina, willing to play non-conf game in Dallas each year vs Texas A&M

Other Considerations:

Stanford- Down 2 plus scores most of game at home vs Oregon
OK St- Lost late in season vs 6-6 Iowa State (Although do think tragedy of accident 24 hours prior has to be considered w/ their women’s hoops coaches)
Arkansas- Lost at Tuscaloosa and lost at Baton Rouge
Oregon- Lost at home vs USC
 
What do you think about Wisconsin and Oregon ?


I have not watched either team play much, Seen Oregon get beat by LSU but seen them beat Stanford and Oregon st and UCLA(joke of a match up). But the games I have seen from Wisconsin there defense is very tough. Looking at there stats they have only allowed 4 games above 20 points which is really good. But they are playing against traditional style i-formation type power football which the big ten does well. How well that translates to playing against a spread type hurry up offense of Oregon? We shall see, as the Big 10s record against a spread type offense is not very good. If the coach gets Wis, Defense ready for a very fast paced play they may be able to hold Oregon down to a mangagble score but it will really be a tough bout. Hopefully Wis, coach is make his defense practice every day against a hurry up style. Practice quick formations and setups and always have a default formation to go to in emergency.

I think Oregon wins this only because while Wis, has a good defense they are not accustomed to Oregon's style of offense and it is a tough one to defend if you do not play it often. LSU had success in stopping them because they play against the spread quite a bit in the SEC so they knew what to expect. Wis, offense is not bad either so they can certainly eat away Oregons weak defense but if it gets into a scoring fest Oregon gets the nod.

Ill be rooting for Wis because I simply dislike the Pac 12 more then the big 10 because there fans are even more out there.
 
dvrexpander said:
really?? so if I ask what will the weather be tomorrow you can tell me that too mr. I can look into the future.

Michigan fan or VT Hater?

On another note the coaches voting was interesting majority had vt ranked 9th or 10th - Beamer had them higher at 13th than they came out so no favs here

Raining and 46 degrees.

Neither, I just don't understand how some fans *cough* you *cough* can actually think that VT is better than what they are, they lost to the only good team they played twice and for some reason the fans, *cough* you *cough*, can't accept the fact over and over that Alabama is the #2 team.

It gets old dude, your constant complaining about the same thing over and over and over again.
 
Raining and 46 degrees.

Neither, I just don't understand how some fans *cough* you *cough* can actually think that VT is better than what they are, they lost to the only good team they played twice and for some reason the fans, *cough* you *cough*, can't accept the fact over and over that Alabama is the #2 team.

It gets old dude, your constant complaining about the same thing over and over and over again.

lol wow ok well ya know VT is the only team right now with a current streak of 10 win seasons, one of the top winningest teams on the block and the most consistent programs to date which is why they were picked to play in the Sugar Bowl over a few other teams that don't have this. They proved they were again a winning team with a 11-2 record against several good teams all but 2 they played have winning records for the season. I don't just THINK they are better than YOU think they are I KNOW they are better than you think they are.

What gets old is you and you're constant hate about the same thing over and over and over again...sorry :)
 
lol wow ok well ya know VT is the only team right now with a current streak of 10 win seasons, one of the top winningest teams on the block and the most consistent programs to date which is why they were picked to play in the Sugar Bowl over a few other teams that don't have this. They proved they were again a winning team with a 11-2 record against several good teams all but 2 they played have winning records for the season. I don't just THINK they are better than YOU think they are I KNOW they are better than you think they are.

What gets old is you and you're constant hate about the same thing over and over and over again...sorry :)


10 win seasons in the ACC with there absymal schedule and of course the games they do lose each year are usually the only good teams they play...
 
10 win seasons in the ACC with there absymal schedule and of course the games they do lose each year are usually the only good teams they play...

They have beaten some good teams in the last 8 years to have that consecutive eight 10 win seasons and right now regardless of what ever you say they are the ONLY team with this current record. This year schedule is so so but still some good ACC teams in there and they beat all but 1 team this year, 2 teams they beat have losing records the rest are winning records. That is THIS year not years past which they've stepped up against a bunch of good and many ranked teams before won and lost but doesn't matter still eight 10 win seasons and going strong.

I mean facts are facts not sure why you want to argue it no matter what he facts are - VT is a damn good team, they get beat just like other teams ask Oklahoma who got hammered 44-10 or Kansas St losing to Oklahoma 58-17 - I don't see you cutting those teams or other teams down for their wins and losses just VT cause I'm here and I'm defending them.. lol do you have nothing else better to do?

I've not once cut on Florida - I kinda pull for Florida a lot and think they are a good team regardless of their schedule or how many times they've lost this year. 6-6 but hey they've played good during even the games they lost.
 
I have not watched either team play much, Seen Oregon get beat by LSU but seen them beat Stanford and Oregon st and UCLA(joke of a match up). But the games I have seen from Wisconsin there defense is very tough. Looking at there stats they have only allowed 4 games above 20 points which is really good. But they are playing against traditional style i-formation type power football which the big ten does well. How well that translates to playing against a spread type hurry up offense of Oregon? We shall see, as the Big 10s record against a spread type offense is not very good. If the coach gets Wis, Defense ready for a very fast paced play they may be able to hold Oregon down to a mangagble score but it will really be a tough bout. Hopefully Wis, coach is make his defense practice every day against a hurry up style. Practice quick formations and setups and always have a default formation to go to in emergency.

I think Oregon wins this only because while Wis, has a good defense they are not accustomed to Oregon's style of offense and it is a tough one to defend if you do not play it often. LSU had success in stopping them because they play against the spread quite a bit in the SEC so they knew what to expect. Wis, offense is not bad either so they can certainly eat away Oregons weak defense but if it gets into a scoring fest Oregon gets the nod.

Ill be rooting for Wis because I simply dislike the Pac 12 more then the big 10 because there fans are even more out there.

Of course, Wisconsin didn't play Michigan this year and Denard Robinson with thier spread offense and they LOST to Ohio State with thier attempt at an offense, spread or otherwise.

I'm thinking Oregon wins. ( I really like thier offense) that said Wisconsin picked up that QB Wilson that had a very good year for them and they have the typical down hill running game.
Then again, we thought that they were gonna win the Rose last year and TCU beat them. (think it was the Rose).

I really like watching Oregon's offense, thier D is a lot to be desired.
 
They have beaten some good teams in the last 8 years to have that consecutive eight 10 win seasons and right now regardless of what ever you say they are the ONLY team with this current record. This year schedule is so so but still some good ACC teams in there and they beat all but 1 team this year, 2 teams they beat have losing records the rest are winning records. That is THIS year not years past which they've stepped up against a bunch of good and many ranked teams before won and lost but doesn't matter still eight 10 win seasons and going strong.

I mean facts are facts not sure why you want to argue it no matter what he facts are - VT is a damn good team, they get beat just like other teams ask Oklahoma who got hammered 44-10 or Kansas St losing to Oklahoma 58-17 - I don't see you cutting those teams or other teams down for their wins and losses just VT cause I'm here and I'm defending them.. lol do you have nothing else better to do?

I've not once cut on Florida - I kinda pull for Florida a lot and think they are a good team regardless of their schedule or how many times they've lost this year. 6-6 but hey they've played good during even the games they lost.


I only go after VT cause you are here. Heck the only teams we all usually talk about are teams someone here is fans of. Why would we talk about Kansas St? No one here is a fan at least its not known.

I also go after VTech because well the facts are the facts like you say and of the BCS top 15 they are one of the teams with the weakest schedule of the bunch. They are right there with Houston, and Boise.. But of course I dont see you upset of a as you said "good" houston team not going to the BCS for losing once.. Shouldnt they go in over VTech? I mean you were telling us how good they were and how worthy they are of a BCS, why does a two loss VTech get in over a one loss Houston? neither of you won your conference title...
 
Alabama and LSU is gonna be the death of quarterbacking.

Proof that you can hide your quarterback.

They might as well recruit students to play QB- any knucklehead can win on a team with great defense.

Why do we gush over guys like Luck and Griffin when one of these uninspiring signal-callers will win a national championship.
 
The Insider said:
I only go after VT cause you are here. Heck the only teams we all usually talk about are teams someone here is fans of. Why would we talk about Kansas St? No one here is a fan at least its not known.

I also go after VTech because well the facts are the facts like you say and of the BCS top 15 they are one of the teams with the weakest schedule of the bunch. They are right there with Houston, and Boise.. But of course I dont see you upset of a as you said "good" houston team not going to the BCS for losing once.. Shouldnt they go in over VTech? I mean you were telling us how good they were and how worthy they are of a BCS, why does a two loss VTech get in over a one loss Houston? neither of you won your conference title...

Good point, Houston was talked up all year and with only 1 loss, they should go in ahead of an Establiished Va Tech team ...:-[

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dvrexpander said:
They have beaten some good teams in the last 8 years to have that consecutive eight 10 win seasons and right now regardless of what ever you say they are the ONLY team with this current record. This year schedule is so so but still some good ACC teams in there and they beat all but 1 team this year, 2 teams they beat have losing records the rest are winning records. That is THIS year not years past which they've stepped up against a bunch of good and many ranked teams before won and lost but doesn't matter still eight 10 win seasons and going strong.

I mean facts are facts not sure why you want to argue it no matter what he facts are - VT is a damn good team, they get beat just like other teams ask Oklahoma who got hammered 44-10 or Kansas St losing to Oklahoma 58-17 - I don't see you cutting those teams or other teams down for their wins and losses just VT cause I'm here and I'm defending them.. lol do you have nothing else better to do?

I've not once cut on Florida - I kinda pull for Florida a lot and think they are a good team regardless of their schedule or how many times they've lost this year. 6-6 but hey they've played good during even the games they lost.

You must have not been around when The Ohio State was the board whipping boy ...... many years I defended them every step, and still do when I feel its deserved.
I get dumped on much worse than you ....

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