Open Letter To Senator Boxer Regarding Dish Network & V-Chip Technology

Maybe it would be better to complain to the FCC. Dish is purposely ignoring their own local channel guide data so there is no reason they couldn't honor ratings and still hide guide data if they want.
 
The OP is a dip....

This is wasting a perfectly good Senator's time that could be used in passing my net neutrality bill instead... You know, an actual issue of concern.
 
Now, the OP does have a point, every TV and STB is suppposed to under federal law utilize Vchip. Whether we use it or not, thats what it is supposed to do. My question to you all and the OP is this. Can't you set your STB (ie 722) to filter out the content based on the ratings? If the box can do it itself, why do you even worry if the TV can?

If not, I wouldn't complain about it to much. I can't believe Dish would care to much about OTA; they could simply turn everyones OTA function off if pressured by the FCC and make anyone that wants to use it pay a "one time fee" to enable the feature.
 
I look forward to your response and wish to thank you, in advance, for your time and consideration in this matter. I would also wish to thank you and your staff for their continued work and support for our nation, and the world at large.

Most Sincerely,

X

If you want to get her attention, I suggest a minimum $250,000 donation to her reelection campaign. (Just consider that as the cost of doing business with politicians.)



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To the OP.

A chip isn't your kids parent, stop whining and be a parent, it's your responsibility to monitor what your kids watch, quit wasting everyone's time and go do your job!

NightRyder

Amen - same exact point I made to the OP in this same thread in the General Sat forum here on Sat guys.

OP:
Weren't getting the response you wanted there - so had to post the exact same BS a second time? Raise your own kids & leave the government out of MY life. I Don't need or want the state to raise my kids.....
 
Dear Senator Boxer, Derrick Brent (Telecom Counsel) and Staff,

I'm writing you in regards to a persistent violation pertaining to the lack of DTV (Digital Television) OTA (Over The Air) textual content imbedded in OTA terrestrial broadcaster's stream.

I'm sure you're asking, what does all this mean?

Simply put, subscribers (perhaps, even you) to DBS services (DirecTV/Dish Network) who elect to capture their local television DTV signals OTA, via an indoor or outdoor antenna (with no subscription to local-into-local services from the DBS providers), passing the OTA terrestrial antenna feed through through their DBS (Direct Broadcast Satellite) providers STBs (Set Top Box) to be present on their TV sets, are at a clear distinct disadvantage.

Why?

The Off-Air/OTA DTV broadcaster includes within its broadcast stream, program identification, viewer appropriateness rating, program synopsis, station scheduling as well as other textual content. Both DirecTV and Dish Network are willfully and intentionally subverting, withholding, eliminating, and simply do not accommodate of the textual information. This leaves the consumer/viewer unable to make viewership decisions, nor be informed, nor utilize 'V-Chip' technology mandated by the FCC to prevent unauthorized viewing of inappropriate program content of all OTA, Cable, DBS, etc., content by children and others.

I don't believe such dodgy behavior, by BOTH DirecTV and Dish, is considered in the public's interest nor by the FCC. Recently, in the latter part of 2007, the FCC proposed fines of $7.4 million dollars for a manufacture who willfully omitted 'V-Chip' technology in sets for violating its rules prohibiting the interstate shipment of sets without DTV V-Chip technology*. DirecTV and Dish Network, both are violating the same statutes with their STBs. *(source: FCC proposes $7.74 million forfeiture for violation of DTV V-Chip rule)

Why are the DBS providers not passing this information on through their STBs?

For monetary gain. By not providing the OTA DTV broadcasters program stream of identification, viewer appropriateness rating, program synopsis, station scheduling as well as other textual content, DBS providers want consumers to pay for local-into-local services, an additional charge of (Dish, at present) $5.99 per month. This brings in million upon millions of dollars each month in additional revenue to DBS providers while clearly subverting the FCC's mandated 'V-Chip' technology. These actions are clearly intent on subverting the protection of children and others from inappropriate content programming for monetary gain.

Why not pay simply pay the $5.99 per month for access to local-into-local services to the DBS providers?

Dish doesn't provide PBS HD in local markets. Furthermore, Why should anyone pay for a handful channels from DBS providers when there are typically 4 to 5 times more in a given market, and if you the have the ability to capture and view those channels with an antenna (presently, I have 21 channels in my market)?

I've attempted over the years to seek compliance from Dish Network on this issue, but it continually falls on deaf ears.

Without question, I believe this is a loop hole that must be addressed by the FCC and closed.

Since you are active on telecommunications issues, as you sit on the Senate Commerce Committee, I feel you're best suited to address this matter, as it is essential in not only serving your constituents, but our nation as well.

Without a directive that mandates DBS providers who provide STBs which have the ability to receive OTA signals requiring them to provide DTV textual content, viewers are ill informed and DBS providers are violating 'V-Chip' technology, regardless of the potential harm to children and others from inappropriate content, etc.

Please, Senator Boxer, will you and your staff join me in requesting the FCC address this issue since DirecTV and Dish are unwilling?

I look forward to your response and wish to thank you, in advance, for your time and consideration in this matter. I would also wish to thank you and your staff for their continued work and support for our nation, and the world at large.

Most Sincerely,

X
Ya know what. It is people like you who spend the taxpayer's money on garbage like this.
The minute a Senator or House member reads this, it costs us money.
Look, we have $4 gasoline and sagging economy. And In case you weren't paying attention, a contentious presidential race and you want these people to worry about whether or not there is a "TV-Y" insiginia in the corner of the screen for 30 seconds?.....Just watch the damned show will you please...."Subverting"...Ok Senator Mc Carthy, take a pill..
 
Interesting catch, But nothing will come of it, The OTA in dish recivers can be disabled and if pushed dish will only disable the input. And that will only effect the small amount of people that use the OTA.

So instead of spending your time fighting somthing that you your self should be doing spend it enjoying the kids best done away from the TV (they grow up real fast).
 
I want the 3 minutes I just wasted reading this back.......
I yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from.....LOL!!
I know what you mean..
This is the typical "I want govt to do everything for me" person....
If he doesn't like the choice then he can make the choice to turn off the TV and read a book to his precious little cupcakes.
 
If all of our OTA tuners get shut off, we know what doosh to thank for this. by the way, i use an OTA for my locals, and i got programming guide info on all my yellow channels.

anyone looked at the 722k from the team summit posts by scott? notice how the ota tuner is now an extension module that will most likely have to be purchased instead of coming with the receiver?(i am merely assuming this based on posts from all team summit postings). i wonder if letters like the OP's letter has any relation.
 
I don't know about Direct, but Dish doesn't allow the data to go through so that they can make you pay for locals to get the guide data. That's the point. I guess you all like throwing your money away.

It's like mob mentality here, one person replies with a smart alec comment and the vultures come out to prey.
oh I get it..Because you are easily led and influenced ,you believe the rest of us cannot think for ourselves.
Look, genius, here's a piece of advice..Don't go there.
Just let it go.
You have an opinion regarding the OP fine. Don't make this about not allowing the rest of us having an opinion.
 
The OP has a point. This was something that really bothered me when I found out that I could not get the OTA guide data from Dish without paying them an extra $5.99. This was the only reason I had to pay for it.

The OP has a right to communicate with people that represent us in office. I do not know why everyone jump on the negative bandwagon. Will his complaint be heard? Maybe not but it is not at all stupid or waste of time. If I could cut the $5.99 from my bill, it will be great. To those that want the OP to buy another STB, well it is a matter of convenience if you have a DVR that you are able to record the OTA signal as well. I do not think there is anything negative about his concern.
 
If all of our OTA tuners get shut off, we know what doosh to thank for this. by the way, i use an OTA for my locals, and i got programming guide info on all my yellow channels.

anyone looked at the 722k from the team summit posts by scott? notice how the ota tuner is now an extension module that will most likely have to be purchased instead of coming with the receiver?(i am merely assuming this based on posts from all team summit postings). i wonder if letters like the OP's letter has any relation.
I think this is a money issue. Since all new tv's must be equipped with digital tuners, the Dish people may be asking themselves why spend the money to install one in THEIR equipment?
Just a thought.
 
The OP has a point. This was something that really bothered me when I found out that I could not get the OTA guide data from Dish without paying them an extra $5.99. This was the only reason I had to pay for it.

The OP has a right to communicate with people that represent us in office. I do not know why everyone jump on the negative bandwagon. Will his complaint be heard? Maybe not but it is not at all stupid or waste of time. If I could cut the $5.99 from my bill, it will be great. To those that want the OP to buy another STB, well it is a matter of convenience if you have a DVR that you are able to record the OTA signal as well. I do not think there is anything negative about his concern.
looks like the $5.99 is not his concern. It is that he wants to be able to leave his kid(s) in front of the tv with the idea in mind that if they are watching a kids chanel ,he should not have to monitor what is on the tube..I say it is highly inappropriate for a child under 11 or 12 years old to have THEIR OWN tv...Parents should insist their young children watch tv in the family room.
I wonder how we all survived without this particular technonolgy.
 
To those who say he needs to do a better job of monitoring the kids, you either, don't have kids, don't care or never knew what they were doing. Get real. To the OP, for every hole you plug, there will be a new one. To those who think that DISH will just eliminate the OTA, you are correct, 722k, the beginning of the end. And to DIRECTV, I don't think the offer it on the new ones now (correct me if I'am wrong).
 
To those who say he needs to do a better job of monitoring the kids, you either, don't have kids, don't care or never knew what they were doing. Get real. To the OP, for every hole you plug, there will be a new one. To those who think that DISH will just eliminate the OTA, you are correct, 722k, the beginning of the end. And to DIRECTV, I don't think the offer it on the new ones now (correct me if I'am wrong).
WRONG! Most of us do have kids. This writer included. We just monitored what our kid was watching and anything deemed inappropriate was off limits. He did not have his own tv until he was 13. And then I had the ratings and channel locks set to an appropriate level.
Don't make assumptions that will allow foolishness to come to the surface.
YOU get real.
 
+1 Dishcomm. We did not get cable in the house until i was about 12. and even then, there were 3 tvs in the house. one in the livingroom, one in my parents room, and one in the garage. When i turned 16, my fokls got a new tv for the bedroom and let me have their old one for my room. my dad was not going to pay the cable company to come out and run a line to my room either. but even at that young age, my mind was curious enough to figure out all i had to do was by a small 50foot spool of cable, a splitter and a couple f-connecters and splice into the cable line. My dad gave me that tv after the IR sensor in it went out and you couldnt use a remote control for it. I solved that problem with an old broomstick. set the tv where it was close enough to the bed that i could jab the buttons with a broomstick. surprisngly the tube went out before the panel controls on the tv did.
 
WRONG! Most of us do have kids. This writer included. We just monitored what our kid was watching and anything deemed inappropriate was off limits. He did not have his own tv until he was 13. And then I had the ratings and channel locks set to an appropriate level.
Don't make assumptions that will allow foolishness to come to the surface.
YOU get real.
13? Try 18....
 
+1 Dishcomm. We did not get cable in the house until i was about 12. and even then, there were 3 tvs in the house. one in the livingroom, one in my parents room, and one in the garage. When i turned 16, my fokls got a new tv for the bedroom and let me have their old one for my room. my dad was not going to pay the cable company to come out and run a line to my room either. but even at that young age, my mind was curious enough to figure out all i had to do was by a small 50foot spool of cable, a splitter and a couple f-connecters and splice into the cable line. My dad gave me that tv after the IR sensor in it went out and you couldnt use a remote control for it. I solved that problem with an old broomstick. set the tv where it was close enough to the bed that i could jab the buttons with a broomstick. surprisngly the tube went out before the panel controls on the tv did.
A broomstick...LOL!!!! Very good!!!
 

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