SD National Channels being Down Rez'd

[sundude90]

You may get an argument on that statement. Most here would rather have DirecTV focus on National HD.

BTW, DirecTV only has three TPs licensed on the 110 sat.

I still want them to get National HD! I believe that they can do both thigns.

Why does DirecTV only have 3 TP's licensed on the 101 Sat. It sounds like 110 Sat has quite a bit of room on it! What a waste of precious sat space!

 

[jcrandall]

Echostar owns the 110 sat except 3 transponders that D* has. That's not open space, it belongs to dish network.

Long story going back to the FCC in the mid 90s.

As for the MPEG4 changeover, think of it like this:

15 million subscribers that are SD only.
2 SD receivers each that have to be replaced with MPEG4.
Mpeg4 SD receiver cost hypothetically $50 x2 =$100
Cost of truck roll and new dish install $50 (cost)

Figure, this type of change would cost DirecTV
$2 Billion+

Not even counting DVR costs, which would be more than $50.

ALL of these type of decisions are financial ones.

 

[sundude90]

Echostar owns the 110 sat except 3 transponders that D* has. That's not open space, it belongs to dish network.

Long story going back to the FCC in the mid 90s.

As for the MPEG4 changeover, think of it like this:

15 million subscribers that are SD only.
2 SD receivers each that have to be replaced with MPEG4.
Mpeg4 SD receiver cost hypothetically $50 x2 =$100
Cost of truck roll and new dish install $50 (cost)

Figure, this type of change would cost DirecTV
$2 Billion+

Not even counting DVR costs, which would be more than $50.

ALL of these type of decisions are financial ones.

Sorry, I didn't know that Dish owned this Sat. I didn't think it was going to be that expensive.

Does dish broadcast there SD National Channels in MPEG 4 in addition to MPEG 2?

Josh

 

[Hemi 6.1]

Mpeg 4 SD is for Eastern Arc customers for now. You need Dish 1000.4 that points at the (61.5,72.5,and 77) I believe only VIP receiver can be used, and you need the new smart cards for all but I believe the vip612.

 

[sundude90]

Mpeg 4 SD is for Eastern Arc customers for now. You need Dish 1000.4 that points at the (61.5,72.5,and 77) I believe only VIP receiver can be used, and you need the new smart cards for all but I believe the vip612.

Why doesn't Directv offer something like this? I feel that they should! If Dish can, why can't Directv provide something like this??

I sure wish Directv would do something like this, because I have all the equipment to make the work and so do a lot of other people in my area. PLEASE DIRECTV!!!

 

[Hemi 6.1]

There's really no point for D* to do it. D* has a one dish solution. E* really doesn't have that option for many customers. Eastern arc is the answer for this. Most customers on the east coast right now can't use E* 129 satellite. So we have always had to use a 2nd dish to pick up the 61.5. Well now we can have a one dish solution . And having all Mpeg 4 saves space, But doesn't really improve PQ since now its also downrezzed 480x480. I think Mpeg 2 its 540x480 currently, Maybe more.
In about a week I'll put up my 1000.4 and I'll see first hand if the SD PQ is any better. My guess is no.

 

[Ronnie-]

And having all Mpeg 4 saves space, But doesn't really improve PQ since now its also downrezzed 480x480. I think Mpeg 2 its 540x480 currently, Maybe more.
In about a week I'll put up my 1000.4 and I'll see first hand if the SD PQ is any better. My guess is no.

I would guess no also, why not leave the rez the same?!?! Thats why I stated earlier in the thread that mpeg 4 could improve pq as long as other factors dont change

 

[Hemi 6.1]

I would guess no also, why not leave the rez the same?!?! Thats why I stated earlier in the thread that mpeg 4 could improve pq as long as other factors dont change

Exactly , Your adding one thing ,and taking something else away. Thats E* way of doing business for everything.

 

[sundude90]

I am just saying this, because I wish and I want Directv to offer some SD Nationals in MPEG4. See, U have the technology and everything for it and my Locals are coming in MPEG4. The picture quality on my locals is better than my SD nationals and that is because of the compression. I just want the best picture quality as possible!
Thats my reasoning!

 

[rad]

Echostar owns the 110 sat except 3 transponders that D* has. That's not open space, it belongs to dish network.

Echostar 'owns' the license to 29 transponder frequencies at 110 while DirecTV has the other 3 out of the 32 available. DirecTV has their own satellite at 110, DirecTV5 and is not using any Echostar resources at 110, it's all their own.

 

[sundude90]

Echostar 'owns' the license to 29 transponder frequencies at 110 while DirecTV has the other 3 out of the 32 available. DirecTV has their own satellite at 110, DirecTV5 and is not using any Echostar resources at 110, it's all their own.

So Directv has there own 110 Sat, that has nothing to do with Echostar??
Wonder what that is being used for now??

 

[iwc5893]

So Directv has there own 110 Sat, that has nothing to do with Echostar??
Wonder what that is being used for now??

You're misunderstanding. There are only 32 transponder frequencies per orbital location. So if Dish has 29 of them, that only leaves three for DirecTV regardless of how many satellites they put there.

Direct is in the process of going to an all MPEG4 service also, but it is several years down the road yet. They're also transitioning to a whole house receiver that does HD and DVR based upon what you're subscribed to. As part of this, they've decided to concentrate their sats in a relatively small orbital arc (99-103) so that a one dish solution would be feasible for the majority of their customers. The eventual plans for the 110 and 119 are to be used for international programming that is currently at the 95 and locals for those markets at the 72.5.

 

[texasbrit]

You're misunderstanding. There are only 32 transponder frequencies per orbital location. So if Dish has 29 of them, that only leaves three for DirecTV regardless of how many satellites they put there.

Direct is in the process of going to an all MPEG4 service also, but it is several years down the road yet. They're also transitioning to a whole house receiver that does HD and DVR based upon what you're subscribed to. As part of this, they've decided to concentrate their sats in a relatively small orbital arc (99-103) so that a one dish solution would be feasible for the majority of their customers. The eventual plans for the 110 and 119 are to be used for international programming that is currently at the 95 and locals for those markets at the 72.5.

The locals at 72.5 are going to DirecTV10 and DirecTV11 at 103 and 99, not to 110/119. The rumor is that international will go from 95 to 110 but nothing confirmed.

 

[sundude90]

What are they getting rid of 95 and 72.5? It seems like they are filling up the the new sat with stuff from the old ones. Are they going to leave any room for HD National??

 

[bateau980]

What are they getting rid of 95 and 72.5? It seems like they are filling up the the new sat with stuff from the old ones. Are they going to leave any room for HD National??

That remains to be seen... Good news is that D* will be launching their ready spare for D10 and D11, D12, I believe sometime next year. I don't know if there has been an orbital location dedicated yet.

 

[rad]

That remains to be seen... Good news is that D* will be launching their ready spare for D10 and D11, D12, I believe sometime next year. I don't know if there has been an orbital location dedicated yet.

Good bet is it's going to either 99 or 103. D*'s already announced that D12 would up the national HD capacity to 200 and the current Ka/Ku LNB's only see the Ka band from 99 and 103.

 

[texasbrit]

What are they getting rid of 95 and 72.5? It seems like they are filling up the the new sat with stuff from the old ones. Are they going to leave any room for HD National??

They are getting rid of 72.5 because the lease on the satellite runs out next year, DirecTV does not own it. They are I assume planning to get rid of 95 (if the rumor is true) because anyone wanting international right now has to use two dishes.

 

[talos4]

Why doesn't Directv offer something like this? I feel that they should! If Dish can, why can't Directv provide something like this??

I sure wish Directv would do something like this, because I have all the equipment to make the work and so do a lot of other people in my area. PLEASE DIRECTV!!!

But a majority of D* subs do not have the gear to "make it work" Or have the desire to change anything.

There are a lot of people like my father out there. He has TWC analog tier ONLY!

He's been told it's going away and he will have to have his box changed. He blew his stack at TWC claiming he doesn't need a new box that the one he has works just fine.

"they can keep their new box and that digital crap""it's just a scam to get more money out of me".

There's alot of them out there.

 

[jcrandall]

Rad, thanks for the correction, I was trying to keep it simple for him.

As for Dish Easter Arc MPEG 4 SDs, they are compressed just as much as their MPEG2. Scott's review basically says they look the exact same, and the mpeg4 are at a lower resolution than the mpeg2.

What Dish is doing is simply starving for capacity. Something I hope Directv never does again (although they still are on the mpeg2 101 sat.)

Personally, 110 is almost a waste with just 3 transponders there. But, the long term plan to put locals and internationals on 110/119 makes a lot of sense.

Then, the majority of users will just need 99/101/103. 101 will ALWAYS be starved for space, and I don't see the resolution changing anytime soon, i.e. 3-5 years.

 

[Hemi 6.1]

You know , come to think of it ,If directv went Mpeg 4 on the 101, That would save a ton of space, Right?
But then yes everyone would have to upgrade to an Mpeg 4 receiver. That would cost big bucks.