Manny's Gone

[salsadancer7]

How many more Scott Boras clients need to be busted before people realize that he is a steroid mule.

I heard that too....VERY interesting you bring that up...:up

 

[salsadancer7]

Who's next, Albert Pujols and Ken Griffey Jr.? Is there anyone legit anymore? Seriously, all of the top power hitters of the last decade have been exposed except Pujols and Griffey Jr.

I mentioned Pujols DRAMATIC change earlier from being on the cover of Muscle & Fitness and looking huge and then MUCH leaner and thinner on the cover of SI.

...but I was shooed away as starting a rumor...

See for yourself.....

 

[Skyhi]

Who's next, Albert Pujols and Ken Griffey Jr.? Is there anyone legit anymore? Seriously, all of the top power hitters of the last decade have been exposed except Pujols and Griffey Jr.

Don't forget about Jim Thome. Although do you remember what he looked like coming up as a 3B in the early 90s?

 

[DodgerKing]

What I find crazy is how it starts of as "Manny suspended for an illegal substance". You don't know what to think. THEN, its "Manny suspended for a PED"...NOW your thinking, ok, HOW stupid can a guy be with all the drug testing going on. THEN you hear, "it was a perscription that a doctor gave him thinking it was not on the banned list for a personal medical issue"...NOW you are thinking, ok, he has "man issues" and you are wondering WHY is this banned and why does anyone care if he as "man issues"??!! And FINALLY, it is a "female fertility drug sometimes used to help start up testosterone levels when you are coming off a steroids of some kind" ..... How can he pass 15 drug test in the last few years FOR PEDs and then get nailed for this..??!! This does not make ANY SENSE!!

I wanna hear from the doctor. IF he is LYING, take away his licence to practice and jail his a$$ because he is now peddling an illegal substance and there is NO REASON for a perscription. IF he is not lying, there MUST be a medical reason TO perscribe this drug and I wanna know what it is....I mean is Manny having problems ovulating? Is his breast not producing enough milk?

This is the issue I have with the media. Leaking out bits of information where there NO CLEAR knowledge of whats going on. You never really know what happens until ALL INFORMATION is given. Just like the so-called "104 or so players that tested positive for PEDs". Either give us ALL the info IN ONE SHOT, or shut the f*** up until you have it all!!!!

It is also used to increase sperm count and testosterone in men

 

[salsadancer7]

It is also used to increase sperm count and testosterone in men

I also read that in Europe, they have been using it for drastic loses in weight...

Here ya go, from WIKI:

A controversial usage of hCG is as an adjunct to the British endocrinologist Dr. A.T.W. Simeons’ ultra-low-calorie weight-loss diet[7]. Simeons, while studying pregnant women in India on a calorie-deficient diet, and “fat boys” with pituitary problems treated with low-dose hCG, discovered that both lost fat rather than lean (muscle) tissue. He reasoned that hCG must be programming the hypothalamus to do this in the former cases in order to protect the developing fœtus, and proceeded to use low-dose daily hCG injections (125 mg) in combination with a customized ultra-low-calorie (500 cal/day, high-protein, low-carbohydrate/fat) diet to help obese adults lose dramatic amounts of adipose tissue without loss of lean, at a Salvator Mundi International Hospital in Rome, Italy, clinic mainly for celebrities. After Simeons’ mysterious death, the diet started to spread to specialized centers and via popularization by such as the controversial popular author Kevin Trudeau (search for hCG in that article for more details).

The controversy proceeds from warnings by the Journal of the American Medical Association[8] and the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition[9] that hCG is not safe,[8] indeed ineffective, as a weight-loss[10] aid on its own; yet its usage as cited above to increase testosterone production contradicts this assertion, since much late-life male obesity is associated with estrogen dominance and deficient testosterone in the mis-named, so-called andropause. Furthermore, in the Simeons protocol, it is, as in any diet, the ultra-low-calorie component (caloric deficit) that results in weight loss, if the protocol is followed strictly. hCG’s role is supposedly to trigger the hypothalamic lean-protection mechanisms Simeons thought he saw, thus promoting mobilization and consumption of abnormal, excessive adipose deposits, while protecting normal adipose and lean tissue from being consumed, with the assumption that these protective hypothalamic mechanisms exist in males as well as females, to be acted upon by hCG.

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...I just wanna hear from the doctor....

 

[cosmo_kramer]

I mentioned Pujols DRAMATIC change earlier from being on the cover of Muscle & Fitness and looking huge and then MUCH leaner and thinner on the cover of SI.

...but I was shooed away as starting a rumor...

See for yourself.....

Rumor
Function: noun
1: talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source
2: a statement or report current without known authority for its truth

I haven't read or heard any "discernible source" stating this as fact. To me, your statement does qualify as a rumor.

 

[salsadancer7]

Rumor
Function: noun
1: talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source
2: a statement or report current without known authority for its truth

I haven't read or heard any "discernible source" stating this as fact. To me, your statement does qualify as a rumor.

LMAO!! Funny....there were never any rumors of Manny neither.... Keep hanging on to your dreams...I guess....

 

[cosmo_kramer]

LMAO!! Funny....there were never any rumors of Manny neither....

It's simple really. Before yesterday, they were rumors. Now, they're fact.

Are there any facts with Pujols??

 

[DodgerKing]

Cosmo,

Every time I read your posts, I read it how Kramer would speak. I cannot get Kramer's voice out of my head.

 

[cosmo_kramer]

Cosmo,

Every time I read your posts, I read it how Kramer would speak. I cannot get Kramer's voice out of my head.

Giddyup!!

 

[salsadancer7]

It's simple really. Before yesterday, they were rumors. Now, they're fact.

Are there any facts with Pujols??

Look...there are NO FACTS with Sammy Sosa...there were even NO RUMORS about Sammy Sosa...there was an assumption because of the drastic change in his body....Same can be said about Pudge Rodriguez.

BEFORE yesterday, there was NO RUMORS or even HINTS OF A RUMOR about Manny....Because of HOW MANY big names have been caught and how there have been some guys that just LOOK like they were NOT TAKING...we have come to the society in baseball of guilty till proven innocent. I am sort of hoping that this doctor will speak up and say something that tells us WHY he was supposedly perscribed this...that will say alot about whether this was a innocent mistake or Manny is hiding something....until then, it is PROVE to me you are innocent....and that is sad really....

 

[cosmo_kramer]

Look...there are NO FACTS with Sammy Sosa...there were even NO RUMORS about Sammy Sosa...there was an assumption because of the drastic change in his body....Same can be said about Pudge Rodriguez.

You're contradicting yourself here. You say there were "NO RUMORS about Sammy Sosa" but then you claim "an assumption because of the drastic change in his body". That's how rumors get started.

Plus, when I Google "Sammy Sosa steroids" I get over 118,000 results. That's a lot of rumors. I tried doing the same for Manny, but yesterday's revelations have caused a spike in those posts...

 

[cosmo_kramer]

I also read that in Europe, they have been using it for drastic loses in weight...

...I just wanna hear from the doctor....

What can the doctor say that will clear it up?? The fault lies solely with Manny.

Why was he using a doctor in Miami when he was in training camp in Arizona??

Strength coaches around the major leagues long have preached to players that any substance they consider taking -- whether it's an over-the-counter supplement, or medication from a doctor -- should be done in consultation with the union prior to ingesting it.

Players also have access to a hotline, which was established in the wake of the Mitchell report, to ask questions.
"I think most guys will trust a physician, right or wrong," one major league strength coach told ESPN.com. "I always emphasize to our players, minor league Latin players especially, don't take anything unless a team doctor gives it to you. A team doctor."

[ame="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4148907"]Manny Ramirez of Los Angeles Dodgers will serve 50-game suspension for drug violation - ESPN[/ame]

 

[salsadancer7]

You're contradicting yourself here. You say there were "NO RUMORS about Sammy Sosa" but then you claim "an assumption because of the drastic change in his body". That's how rumors get started.

Plus, when I Google "Sammy Sosa steroids" I get over 118,000 results. That's a lot of rumors. I tried doing the same for Manny, but yesterday's revelations have caused a spike in those posts...

OK...point #1. There were no rumors about Sammy Sosa. People AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMED because of his drastic change in body....so everyone from media to sports fans just basically said...."he DID PEDs". Point #2, of those 118,000 hits....how many were AFTER the comparison and how many were just bloggers stating 'Sammy Sosa was on PEDs'?

 

[salsadancer7]

What can the doctor say that will clear it up?? The fault lies solely with Manny.

Why was he using a doctor in Miami when he was in training camp in Arizona??



Manny Ramirez of Los Angeles Dodgers will serve 50-game suspension for drug violation - ESPN

Oh the fault DOES lie on Manny, BUT the doctor can give a reason WHY, since it was "perscribed" by him. As far as a seperate doctor, there are TONS of professional athletes seperate Doctors other than team physicians. Oh, and by the way...Manny lives in Miami during the off season.

 

[DodgerKing]

Evidently, it turns out that Manny did not test positive for this hormone. In fact, his blood test was negative. He was caught from a paper trail.

 

[cosmo_kramer]

OK...point #1. There were no rumors about Sammy Sosa. People AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMED because of his drastic change in body....so everyone from media to sports fans just basically said...."he DID PEDs". Point #2, of those 118,000 hits....how many were AFTER the comparison and how many were just bloggers stating 'Sammy Sosa was on PEDs'?

C'mon Salsa, I'm not going to post the definition for Rumor again, just go up to post #86 and read it. The automatic assumption you refer to clearly is addressed by both definitions. Drastic body changes may be enough evidence for you, but it's still not a fact.

Do I think Sosa and a lot of other players during this era used PEDs?? Yes.

Do I know they all did?? No.

 

[salsadancer7]

C'mon Salsa, I'm not going to post the definition for Rumor again, just go up to post #86 and read it. The automatic assumption you refer to clearly is addressed by both definitions. Drastic body changes may be enough evidence for you, but it's still not a fact.

Do I think Sosa and a lot of other players during this era used PEDs?? Yes.

Do I know they all did?? No.

Ok...Then use MANNY as a perfect example....UNTIL this broke out, there was NO RUMORS of him using, NOR was there an assumption of it. Look at the post of Bob Ryan....

Until this doctor talks....no one knows...and even then, the way all the PEDs stuff has played out...we may never know the truth.

 

[Paul Wozniak]

One by one, all the "greats" are falling from grace. Hopefully this will all be over in a decade. Disappointing to say the least.

 

[BillD1984]

We all know that Curt Schilling is never shy to share an opinion. But what I found interesting in this particular blog, he singled out non-baseball players Kevin Garnett, LeBron James, Mike Vrabel and Tedy Bruschi as athletes with supreme character that do it the right way through hard work! :up


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