Why LOGO got put into the HD Platium package

[Ken McPherson]

This post has been answered over and over. LOGO's demographics are, for the most part, filling a niche. E* has to justify cost per subscriber. I don't think the cost/benefit allows it to be in the lower tiers, just as WFN, MavTV, and the rest in that package. I don't think its that much of a discrimination deal as it is a cost/benefit deal.

Klegg,

You do not speak for Dish and your opinion is speculation at best. At this point, the question remains unanswered.

However, if I get your opinion correctly, out of all the HD channels that have SD counterparts, LOGO is the only one in which the cost/benefit ratio prevents it from being placed in the lower tiers.

Exactly what do you base this on (beyond mere speculation)? Are you privy to any real numbers that would justify your comment?

Ken McPherson

 

[klegg]

Klegg,

You do not speak for Dish and your opinion is speculation at best. At this point, the question remains unanswered.

However, if I get your opinion correctly, out of all the HD channels that have SD counterparts, LOGO is the only one in which the cost/benefit ratio prevents it from being placed in the lower tiers.

Exactly what do you base this on (beyond mere speculation)? Are you privy to any real numbers that would justify your comment?

Ken McPherson

You asked the question, I'm just giving my opinion ON A PUBLIC MESSAGE BOARD. I'm just giving my opinion like EVERYONE ELSE on this message board. None of the channels in Platinum have SD counterparts. Without doing a complete analysis of the entire channel list, I'd say there are a few more channels that don't have SD counterparts.

Ease up, dude.

Also, I said "I think" more than once in my reply, so that would indicate that it was my opinion.

 

[Ken McPherson]

You asked the question, I'm just giving my opinion ON A PUBLIC MESSAGE BOARD. I'm just giving my opinion like EVERYONE ELSE on this message board. None of the channels in Platinum have SD counterparts. Without doing a complete analysis of the entire channel list, I'd say there are a few more channels that don't have SD counterparts.

Ease up, dude.

In other words, you have nothing to base your opinion on beyond idle speculation.

I'm just sayin', dude...

Ken McPherson

 

[Pen15head]

i emailed logo and asked them for their side of why they are only on PLAT. i will post what response i get if i get one.

 

[jclewter79]

Do ya'll really feel more discriminated towards now that E* offers the channel in some form than you did during the last 4 years when it was not offered at all? If i had felt that discriminated toward I would have left a long time ago. It is my OPINION that you will see as many channels done this way from here on out as E* can get away with. It only makes sense that they want to get as many customers in HD boxes as they can.

 

[klegg]

In other words, you have nothing to base your opinion on beyond idle speculation.

I'm just sayin', dude...

Ken McPherson

So, let me get this straight. You expected a representative from E* to post on this topic, OR were you really just asking a rhetorical question. Silly me, I thought you were asking for opinions...

 

[Ken McPherson]

Do ya'll really feel more discriminated towards now that E* offers the channel in some form than you did during the last 4 years when it was not offered at all? If i had felt that discriminated toward I would have left a long time ago. It is my OPINION that you will see as many channels done this way from here on out as E* can get away with. It only makes sense that they want to get as many customers in HD boxes as they can.

Being a member of a targeted minority means putting up will little/big indignities on a regular, often daily basis (like this thread). A wise person learns to chose one's battles based on potential outcome rather than simple emotion.

At this stage I don't have an opinion as to why Dish has done this; my speculation on the issue would be meaningless. But I intend to try to find out.

If, in fact, other new channels are treated in a similar manner, I will be glad to endorse your opinion. But not yet. Said evidence is not at hand.

BTW, if other new channels are not treated in the same manner, will it change your opinion?

Ken McPherson

 

[jclewter79]

Actually, I feel equally discriminated against, not more (and I'd like to believe that things are progressing forward as far as the acceptance thing goes although there will always be the Kleggs of the world with their phantom gay friends who tell him it's a choice.) I'd prefer to hear E's justification for this pricing before hastily switching providers. The justification you mentioned makes some sense, but since at this moment every other channel (that is not HD specific) is offered in both HD and SD except for this one. So why single this one out now? If this is indeed the wave of the future, then I'd like to hear that from the source. I just don't really buy that at this point.

Well, like I said it is only my opinion so I do have no basis for this answer but it does make sense to me. BETJ is offered in sd on other providers as well as MAVTV. I would say that neither is a significatly gay channel. The only thing that they have in common with LOGO is that they focus on a niche market and, they were added recently. Those are the things that lead me to believe what I do. Another thing we all have to remember is that this would have not happened at all If LOGO had not agreed to it. they must have though it was a good deal also. I will have a very hard time agreeing with anyone that might say that LOGO's managment is discrimantory againt gays, that would not even make sense.

 

[jclewter79]

Being a member of a targeted minority means putting up will little/big indignities on a regular, often daily basis (like this thread). A wise person learns to chose one's battles based on potential outcome rather than simple emotion.

At this stage I don't have an opinion as to why Dish has done this; my speculation on the issue would be meaningless. But I intend to try to find out.

If, in fact, other new channels are treated in a similar manner, I will be glad to endorse your opinion. But not yet. Said evidence is not at hand.

BTW, if other new channels are not treated in the same manner, will it change your opinion?

Ken McPherson

BETJ and MAVTV = said evidence. But yes, if other channels are added that are for a similar niche audience and is not treated this way I would take another look at my opinion.

 

[gopherscot]

Isn't HBO Zone an HD only channel? Look at the bright side ... a week ago you didn't have Logo ... but now you have a choice to pay for it.

 

[Ken McPherson]

Another thing we all have to remember is that this would have not happened at all If LOGO had not agreed to it. they must have though it was a good deal also. I will have a very hard time agreeing with anyone that might say that LOGO's managment is discrimantory againt gays, that would not even make sense.

LOGO is owned by Viacom. Dish cuts the deal with Viacom; LOGO's management isn't involved. Viacom's goal is to maximize profit, same as Dish. Viacom is not concerned with GLBT people's rights beyond the degree to which they can profit from them. If Viacom and Dish think they can get away with squeezing gay people for extra fees, it's just fine with them. If enough people complain to Dish and Viacom, their policy will change.

In my opinion.

Ken McPherson

 

[Mr Tony]

OK...now that I spent 15 minutes cleaning up the thread I'll make it pretty simple

KEEP IT ON TOPIC

Satelliteguys is not a political site. If you are going to argue political/ethics issues this is not the place.

Now back to our regular scheduled programming. Thanks

 

[xwiseguyx]

I'd prefer to hear E's justification for this pricing before hastily switching providers. The justification you mentioned makes some sense, but since at this moment most channels are offered in both HD and SD except for this one. If this is indeed the wave of the future, then I'd like to hear that from the source. I just don't really buy that at this point.

 

[jclewter79]

How many of the people in here upgraded to platinum to get this channel? How many have considered an HD upgrade due to this channel placement? Even if to use an HD receiver on an SDTV?

 

[Slamminc11]

How many of the people in here upgraded to platinum to get this channel? How many have considered an HD upgrade due to this channel placement? Even if to use an HD receiver on an SDTV?

If I had the extra disposable income I would for sure, but...

 

[Ken McPherson]

I have AEP/locals/HD Gold. As much as I would like to receive LOGO, I will not upgrade until we get some answers. If the answers are reasonable, I will consider it.

Ken McPherson

 

[xwiseguyx]

I might upgrade once something on FX comes on that I want to watch in HD. I might justify it if I'm using 2 of these channels.

I have AEP/locals/HD Gold. As much as I would like to receive LOGO, I will not upgrade until we get some answers. If the answers are reasonable, I will consider it.

Ken McPherson

 

[jclewter79]

Those seem like logical answers all around. I myself have been considering upgradeing to platinum because a local wrestling promotion in our area actually has a weekly show on it. It does somewhat bother me that other providers do offer mavtv in sd but I don't feel I am being discriminated against. I just feel like I am one of those wierd guys that just might pay 10 bucks to get to see an indy wrestling promotion and a 24 fishing channel. I know it sounds weird but I guess I am just niche. I am not trying to compare my wierd taste in tv to a sexual preference, just trying to point out that my viewing habits are in a minority so, I get to pay. I also wonder if this goes on long enough and some other provider fills in the gap to help out the people that want to save a few bucks with sd, how much longer can E* be shunned as the "low income provider" ? I also have to admit, if I do upgrade I bet sometimes I will switch over and watch Rick and Steve do some of that swimming we were talking about earlier. That sounds damn funny. I won't let my kids watch it but, they are 5yrs and 18mos, they don't watch SNL either.

 

[rockymtnhigh]

You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill. This is not the first time a channel has been placed on a higher tier; I remember when NatGeo came out in Hd, it was placed in the then-Gold tier, I think. Was there some grand conspiracy? NO, they just placed it in a different tier. Big deal.

If you want it, pay for it. If you don't, don't.

 

[Ken McPherson]

Your molehill is another person's mountain.

Ken McPherson