New HIT Channels on SES1 and AMC18
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Mike Kohl of Skyvision told me that it is illegal to own a shaw receiver in the US, and moto "keeps very close track of the serial numbers".
There needs to be a HARD PUSH in the C-Band Programming Industry, not just a gentle nudge like there is going on right now.
We need HD and we need DVR, one of the main staples in any satellite receiver.
The C-Band Programming Industry is going to hell in a handbasket, and we CAN save it!
There needs to be a HARD PUSH in the C-Band Programming Industry, not just a gentle nudge like there is going on right now.
We need HD and we need DVR, one of the main staples in any satellite receiver.
The C-Band Programming Industry is going to hell in a handbasket, and we CAN save it!
We need HD, but can live without a DVR.
This is why I believe a DCII CAM is the best solution because then we can choose what kind of 3rd party receiver to get, HD only or HD with DVR ability.
This is why I believe a DCII CAM is the best solution because then we can choose what kind of 3rd party receiver to get, HD only or HD with DVR ability.
Nobody wants to gamble when the odds are next to nothing. Plus who would want to fork out a couple thousand dollars for a complicated, difficult to install c-band when they can sell their soles to pizza dish for free set-up? What, $60.00 due next month? Still cheaper & easier than installing A BUD. Plus with pizza, you can have true HD in all the bedrooms, bathrooms, sewing room, laundry room, office, hallway, & even on the front porch. And HD is FREE! C-Band may have better picture quality, but all the advertisements I get from the pizza dish tell me THEIRS have the best picture, the best HD available. With the most HD channels available. FREE! Plus free PVR, free DVR. Free set-up, Free installation. Free, free, free. And everybody is doing it. So it must be good. Why be a looser when you can have FREE PIZZA!!
Sorry, tooo much coffee.
Perhaps someone could order a mediacipher m-card (cable card) M-Card MediaCipher Multi-Stream CableCARD - Features - Motorola Mobility, Inc. USA
and try and rig it up in a fta box and replace the tuner with a dcii tuner and try.
Hits can auth those cards.
really? You mean the same Mike Kohl who still advertises them and until he got the job at Skyivison SOLD SHAW DIRECT SYSTEMS from his house in Wisconsin. Hell he still has the link on his site.
The Canadian Solution
We also have a Canadian forum here who mainly are in the US and subscribe to it. And as I've posted above its a grey area
keep dreaming. Unless someone comes in and actually puts forth the effort with DCII which is highly unlikely as Motorola has the rights to it what you see right now is probably as good as its gonna be.
Lots of people CANT install a dish that size. Heck I've seen people complain when they upgrade from a Directv 18" dish to a slimline which is a lot bigger (32x22 I think). So trying to get them to put up a 6 foot dish aint gonna happen.
Also most people want something that is very easy to work with. As you've said above HD is free with both providers and they throw in a free PVR. I dont know about some of you, but the old saying "A DVR changes you" is spot on for me. I use to deal with setting manual timers and making sure the receiver would be set right. Upgrade to a DVR and recording is so much easier. See program in guide, hit record, done. I turn off the DVR on a channel, come back in an hour and back up the program to where it was an hour ago and continue to watch.
I can record 2 things at one time with Directv.
I'm sorry if this is being harsh but what 4DTV has right now is probably as best as you'll get. I was a dreamer too. I use to have an insane free to air setup with a couple fixed dishes, couple motorized dishes, a Toroidal T90 and about a dozen receivers throughout the house. But then I became a realist that all that equipment still doesnt get me the channels I wanted. So I got rid of a lot of it, downsized and got Directv (I had Shaw before that)
I hear the "oh the HD is much better from the master" line but sorry that line doesnt mean much when there is none of it on 4DTV. And other than sports feeds there really isnt that much HD on free to air 24/7. Yeah stuff comes and goes but the mainstream HD channels are scrambled all the time.
Folks want stuff in HD. Most people dont care what it looks like as long as its in "HD". A great example is my grandma. She always tunes to the HD channel on cable if she can yet her TV is set up to "wide" so she never sees the black bars. She "didnt like those black bars". So as long as it looks decent thats all they care.
As for a PVR for FTA, Pansat tried that with the two tuner unit with built in PVR...but the thing was so fricking buggy it made it useless. I had one (the 6000) and it would st-st-stutter so bad even on recordings it wasnt worth keeping. All of these units that have a PVR option why the heck can't they have 2 tuner recording? The closest thing is the azbox which allows 2 transponder viewing/recording. I can record something and watch something else on that transponder.
4DTV had its place in the world.......but then again so did the 8 track. Very few people want to use a setup that is buggy, no PVR, no HD, requires a full subscription for each receiver, and really doesnt carry alot of mainstream channels.
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Exactly....this whole thread has become quite the eye opener! Sounds like soon we'll just have the D and E pizza sections!
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C band has it's place and the 4DTV/410 system has it's pluses and minuses. I have Direct but at the time I got it NPS put the knife in the 4DTV all together, Skyvision didn't offer the H2H system for the 4D yet. I will be downgrading Direct to the family pack as of June when my teaser runs out. I will be adding high tier nitch channels on the 4DTV H2H then. Plus with summer coming it will be rain fade season on Direct again. It will be nice to know with the 4D I can watch tv when it's pouring here instead of looking at 771 searching for signal.
Direct may have a lot of channels but honestly I do not watch 95% of the cable fare. HD on Direct, Dish, Cable, UVerse etc is all a light version. That is why I have only a D11 SD receiver with Direct. I didn't see the sense to get HD on Ka band with more rain fade than the SD ku. I'm an old time bud supporter and will support c band forever. Just wait till the 4D map master gets out there, we made a major breakthrough lately so it's on it's way. It will be nice to know we can catch all the master stuff while ITC for years to come even if we have to do a MR.
Direct may have a lot of channels but honestly I do not watch 95% of the cable fare. HD on Direct, Dish, Cable, UVerse etc is all a light version. That is why I have only a D11 SD receiver with Direct. I didn't see the sense to get HD on Ka band with more rain fade than the SD ku. I'm an old time bud supporter and will support c band forever. Just wait till the 4D map master gets out there, we made a major breakthrough lately so it's on it's way. It will be nice to know we can catch all the master stuff while ITC for years to come even if we have to do a MR.
Exactly....this whole thread has become quite the eye opener! Sounds like soon we'll just have the D and E pizza sections!
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There will always be the pizza supporters for one reason or another. We have to do what we think is best and that's C band. No lousy pizza kool-aid drinker is going to ever change my mind and fight for it. I fought to get the 4DTV to work without a MR to brick it on H2H, and guess what I won the battle for all of us. We have to stick together and not be bothered by the pizza pushers. Promote promote promote 4DTV! for every pizza dish sub that we kill (especially Dish Network) it's one more for our side
The next fight that were going to win is to be able to reprogram our receivers maps. I'm working & fighting for you guys daily.
Not yet, or any time soon for that matter. I just don't see C-band going any further. I've had C-band exclusively most of my adult life & am sad to see it diminish down to the state it's currently in. Six months ago, there were 20 some thousand subscribers to C-band as opposed to how many tens of millions to Pizza? C-band's a dying market. By the way, I recently replaced the battery in my 922 & still have all my fingers. It was actually fairly simple but took about 2 hours. Probably not a good thing to mention the time it took on my resume.
Another plus for the 4DTV and H2H
I just spent an hour comparing side by side DirecTV SD and H2H SD picture quality. Using my Sharp Aquos 32" 1080P HDTV. Both my D-11 and my 922 are feeding it with S video.
I'm being totally honest here. H2H win's. It has purer colors with less artifacts. Direct also is smeary (soft some call it, I call it blurry in a fog) Direct also has a snapping effect that when the picture is moving and stops all the mosquito noise has to catch up with the picture. That's not on HITS. We may not have all the channel offerings but we still have better quality even in a second gen on X4.
Maybe HD Direct is better than SD HITS but not all the channels on Direct are in HD and a lot marketed as HD run stretchovision. They take the SD masters and fill the screen up. Dish's HD and SD is worse than Direct so they lost the battle before even getting up to bat.
I think if your a purest like I am the way things are going with compression and taking away real quality. Soon it won't be worth turning on the tv anymore unless you turn on the bud.
I just spent an hour comparing side by side DirecTV SD and H2H SD picture quality. Using my Sharp Aquos 32" 1080P HDTV. Both my D-11 and my 922 are feeding it with S video.
I'm being totally honest here. H2H win's. It has purer colors with less artifacts. Direct also is smeary (soft some call it, I call it blurry in a fog) Direct also has a snapping effect that when the picture is moving and stops all the mosquito noise has to catch up with the picture. That's not on HITS. We may not have all the channel offerings but we still have better quality even in a second gen on X4.
Maybe HD Direct is better than SD HITS but not all the channels on Direct are in HD and a lot marketed as HD run stretchovision. They take the SD masters and fill the screen up. Dish's HD and SD is worse than Direct so they lost the battle before even getting up to bat.
I think if your a purest like I am the way things are going with compression and taking away real quality. Soon it won't be worth turning on the tv anymore unless you turn on the bud.
Not by much, the family pack is $29.99 a month. Termination is $20.00 per month. I don't think it's worth giving DirecTV $240 at that point and not viewing anything. There is some stuff I watch in the family pack that actually makes it worth wild for me. It fill's the void missing on c band in a way. I refuse to pay DirecTV $70 a month for programming thats a fact. Now if we can get Comcast to get SES-1 to change modulation mode for us then yes Direct would be history ASAP even with early termination fee's.
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Last summer, my brother gave me his 32 inch CRT after purchasing a flat screen for himself. A week later, he came out to the house & commented how crisp & clear my picture was on the same channel that he watches a lot of. He has Direct & I had Discovery tuned in on my big dish when DCII was still up. He said the colors were cleaner, sharper & didn't bleed like it did with Direct. I probably could have sold him a 410 set-up recently, but there are no locals with the 410. Out this way, there are mountains everywhere & getting a local signal is sketchy at best.
Discovery's DC master on C4 is fantastic looking. On Direct it's the same old smeary artifact ridden thing that is shown on 95% of their SD channels. Channels like ESPN they must toss a bit more bits at because it does look better than the most. I would say 5% of Direct's SD would be passable for a ok picture in my book. The other 95% well... Direct's SD actually don't look bad on my 13" SDTV in the kitchen.
It appears that you get a better picture on H2H than me. When I watch shows with dark (black) scenes the video is crummy. It looks smeared with artifacts. This is with S-video. I'm wondering if it's a problem with my 922 such as poor decoding capability. I've been considering buying a used 922 for comparison but the price hasn't been right.
I have a 50" plasma and 32" LCD. I've had Dish SD, Direct SD/HD, HITS SD, and 4096 EMM 4DTV. The 4DTV masters were the best, but hey, we can't buy them anymore. The HD was awesome, it's a shame the lamers never will know what they missed. The HITS p.q. is slightly better than Direct's SD channels. Dish SD totally sucks and looks terrible on anything over a 25" CRT. I have DirecTV HD and it looks very good, although it does have some blockiness/pixelation at times on some channels, such as History.
If you have no interest in HD, you will probably be very happy with HITS channels offered at Satellite Receivers LTD and Skyvision, there is no contract either. I have both 4DTV and DirecTV systems (and FTA DVB-S2), and consider my setup the best of both worlds.
Recommend all c-band lovers subscribe to at least one HITS service. Keeping the dream alive, one map at a time.
If you have no interest in HD, you will probably be very happy with HITS channels offered at Satellite Receivers LTD and Skyvision, there is no contract either. I have both 4DTV and DirecTV systems (and FTA DVB-S2), and consider my setup the best of both worlds.
Recommend all c-band lovers subscribe to at least one HITS service. Keeping the dream alive, one map at a time.
Nothing will ever be like the masters were (except the masters
) As a hobbyist I will always search the skys and still enjoy those special open moments.You are right about having Direct there is some value in having it such as certain channels 100% of the time for now.
I'm nearing 1 year with Direct and don't like the idea of the contract and the large spike in the monthly cost, $29.99 now at teaser to around $70.00. That's quite an increase. Plus the rain fade with the summer storms here just piss me off. If we have a long bunch of heavy cells it can be up and down for hours. IMHO totally useless to leave Direct on. I even tossed a Direct LNBF on my 90cm Primestar to help rain fade (which it does) but still goes out while the bud is at 99 quality.
The family pack will cover what I need with Direct. I also agree that we all should subscribe to at least one HITS service to keep the best alive and keep doors open for more future ad-on's etc.
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