I'm really wanting to join the DISH family. I just can't jump yet because of BTN dispute. So what will they do if they lose to the networks and have to turn off the Hoppers best features? No PTAT and commercial hop? I would hate to jump and have that happen.
Fox Sues Dish For Two Hopper Features
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This is all litigation in the courts that will drag on for years. My 2 year contract will probably run out before anything is decided.
Channel disputes happen with every provider. If you're worried about a specific channel, just wait it out till the dispute is over before you sign up.
navychop said:I can see it coming. A five cent fee every time you use the skip feature.
No, more like a $5 a month charge to enable auto hop.
To my understanding fox along with the other networks involved are dropping the case... But other then that the rep I spoke with (said they could not comment further).
I have not heard anything like this yet. But from my armchair quarterback seat, I didnt think they had any legal basis for the laswuit (especially after DISH tweeked PTAT and AutoHop in the last software release.)
After the last update, PTAT appears to have a good chance of being ok since now it is a customer's private recording area (used to be a reserved area for Dish), and the customer can change which networks and which nights are recorded (or not recorded).
I feel autohop is still on shaky ground. The networks could make a good argument that in fact it is not the user skipping commercials (even though they have to select autohop) but that Dish network is in fact skipping the commercials for them via programming commands sent from Dish. It could go either way.
I feel autohop is still on shaky ground. The networks could make a good argument that in fact it is not the user skipping commercials (even though they have to select autohop) but that Dish network is in fact skipping the commercials for them via programming commands sent from Dish. It could go either way.
The networks could just chose not to give Dish access to their programming after their contract is up. I doubt that's likely but it could happen. They want their money too so they could try to charge Dish double or triple.
Who ever said its all about control and revenue is spot on. From my perspective there is no other reason to sue.
We have been going through legal wranglings since cassette recorders came on the scene. Happened again with vcrs, cds and dvds, these technologies still exist and we can, for the most part, make personal use copies of cds and dvds with out any special equipment. You can even digitize vinyl with an inexpensive " black box"...I'm not worried about this law suit limiting DVRs, of course anything is possible...but look back at the history of technology, we still have dvr-w's cd recorders, etc
Just my $0.02
Ross
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We have been going through legal wranglings since cassette recorders came on the scene. Happened again with vcrs, cds and dvds, these technologies still exist and we can, for the most part, make personal use copies of cds and dvds with out any special equipment. You can even digitize vinyl with an inexpensive " black box"...I'm not worried about this law suit limiting DVRs, of course anything is possible...but look back at the history of technology, we still have dvr-w's cd recorders, etc
Just my $0.02
Ross
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Well I called to confirm that the negotiation with AMC was still ongoing and hopefully with some progress... I just happened to ask about the "FOX" issues and she seemed a bit defensive but that was what I was told. Even if the suite is still underway the case has more holes in it then a block of Swiss cheese. Dish probably has had the technology to do PTAT and autohope for a while but wanted to be confident the networks couldn't touch them.
You're making the awful mistake of confusing viewer directed commercial skipping with AutoHop.
I meant the text ads that would pop up while you are using DVR functions that Dish Network was planning on doing. Are they not allowed to do anytime they want to on the network stations?
That was not DISH that was planning on doing that. It was Comcast who would put ads on your screen when your fast forwarding.
Dish had AMC when I signed up earlier this year. They sure won't waive the early cancel fees either.
Gobucks said:
In some regions Dish is having technicians install an OTA antenna along with the regular Dish for certain NC work orders. It's possible that one day Dish will no longer need to pay the major networks retransmission fees for something that is free Over-The-Air.
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OTA wasn't important enough to include in their most prominent receiver. Don't count on them moving in the direction you suggest. It would be nice, but it's not practical for Dish.
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I think that DISH should of included the ota antenna built in to the dish itself, like VOOM company did. It included ota channels and guide information in the receiver .
No matter the outcome of the lawsuit, the networks will lose more than Dish.
If the courts side with E* and allow them to keep the ptat and auto hop feature, more prime time programming will be viewed because of the ptat feature, however the commercials will be skipped. If the courts side with the networks and E* has to disable ptat, less prime time programming and less commercials will be viewed because not being able to record all prime time programming. Or if auto hop has to be deactivated but keep ptat, people can still skip through the commercials by using ff. E* will probably will tell the networks, if the networks like Dish's ptat feature, its keep ptat and auto hop or nothing at all. And if the courts side with the networks and E* is forced it deactivate all their dvrs, then E* can counter and say the same has to happen with all service providers and their dvrs. At that point, the other service providers will jump on the bandwagon and fight the networks and their dvr shut down.
So the networks can have more prime time shows viewed and have their commercials skipped automatically. Or have their commercials skipped by using ff. Or have a large lawsuit by all service providers because they are being forced to deactivate their dvrs.
If the courts side with E* and allow them to keep the ptat and auto hop feature, more prime time programming will be viewed because of the ptat feature, however the commercials will be skipped. If the courts side with the networks and E* has to disable ptat, less prime time programming and less commercials will be viewed because not being able to record all prime time programming. Or if auto hop has to be deactivated but keep ptat, people can still skip through the commercials by using ff. E* will probably will tell the networks, if the networks like Dish's ptat feature, its keep ptat and auto hop or nothing at all. And if the courts side with the networks and E* is forced it deactivate all their dvrs, then E* can counter and say the same has to happen with all service providers and their dvrs. At that point, the other service providers will jump on the bandwagon and fight the networks and their dvr shut down.
So the networks can have more prime time shows viewed and have their commercials skipped automatically. Or have their commercials skipped by using ff. Or have a large lawsuit by all service providers because they are being forced to deactivate their dvrs.
