This was the initial point I was trying to get across. Thank you for saying it so much more eloquently then I.
Cancellation issues, what ifs, and keeping my recorded content
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Seems like a lot of paranoia here. Just cut off your service and be done with it. My guess is you will keep all of your content. If they cut it off , you can always file a lawsuit against Dish, but I suspect you would lose or the case would be thrown out of court.
But enough with all this back and forth. The thread has gone on too long.
But enough with all this back and forth. The thread has gone on too long.
Transfer everything to an EHD. There. You get to keep all your recorded content.
Oh, you want to WATCH that content? Well, then you need a device that will read the stored content.
Maybe it's been said in one form or another. If you buy a DISH receiver you own only that. To watch their channels or use their DVR functions, you download their software to use on your receiver. You then pay for the use of all that. DISH does not rent receivers they sell subscriptions to programming and uses such as a DVR with their services. You could get a receiver without DVR abilities and not pay the DVR fee.
As others have posted any EHD material is not accessible after dropping your subscription. (And it can never be retrieved) I also believe you will be able to access the internal hard drive though in the past you had to trick the receiver to get there. I have not tried it with a VIP receiver, I did with a PVR 508 and I could trick the receiver for awhile, but then could not. I tried connecting to the satellite dish and that revived my access for awhile. That does not mean a VIP receiver will act in the same way.
As others have posted any EHD material is not accessible after dropping your subscription. (And it can never be retrieved) I also believe you will be able to access the internal hard drive though in the past you had to trick the receiver to get there. I have not tried it with a VIP receiver, I did with a PVR 508 and I could trick the receiver for awhile, but then could not. I tried connecting to the satellite dish and that revived my access for awhile. That does not mean a VIP receiver will act in the same way.
NO, to the DVR it's either activated or NOT; there is no "sort of" activated; same difference as totally disco'g...
The issue is that you didn't pay for a long term license for the content (as you have done by buying retail-packaged disc-based movies). If you go to Amazon or a video store, you can rent a movie or buy a movie and the price is different. It is the same thing here except that DISH lets you keep the recording as long as you keep the DVR service on the same account.
And you get to keep those mechanisms as long as you want.
You bought a different kind of license with these movies that entitles you to long-term viewing.
All your EHDs are encrypted with a key that is tied to your account. So you can move the drives between devices on the same account 622/722/922/Hopper, but when you cancel service Dish deletes your key. So, if you subscribe again in the future you will not have access to your EHD recordings since that encryption key has been lost.
An "upper level supervisor" isn't going to give a different answer, or be able to change it. You've been given information in this thread how it works, when your receiver loses authorization, you will no longer be able to watch recorded content.
If you want to complain, ask for the address to "Dispute Resolution", you can send a letter to the corporate office and let them know what you think. That is the most direct way to log your outrage.
You used to be able to cancel and have access to the DVR recordings on Dish.
What this tells me is that Dish has made DVR part as a subscription tier.
The whole reason for this is that Dish wants to make things as miserable for you as possible if you cancel or don't pay your bill.
The same thing goes for the OTA tuner. You don't pay they shut the feature down.
What they don't want is people not paying their bill and have no incentive to pay since they can watch DVR RECORDINGS or watch OTA channels if they got an antenna
What this tells me is that Dish has made DVR part as a subscription tier.
The whole reason for this is that Dish wants to make things as miserable for you as possible if you cancel or don't pay your bill.
The same thing goes for the OTA tuner. You don't pay they shut the feature down.
What they don't want is people not paying their bill and have no incentive to pay since they can watch DVR RECORDINGS or watch OTA channels if they got an antenna
I disagree with your broad statement, but even if thats how it was, why should they continue to offer the software for free?
How does DirecTV handle a similar situation? Time Warner does it the same as Dish. Anyone know about Comcast, etc?
I'm not sure if I'll stick with DISH or not. I've been with them for 9+ years and love the programming and equipment. The contract disputes get annoying, but that's part of the game. Anyway...I'd like to get all of my content onto regular hard drives (PC/Windows) over the next few months while I'm comparing other TV providers and this Hauppauge model 1512 looks like just the ticket. Have you had any issues at all with the content on the DISH DVRs being "protected" in some way that would not allow the Hauppauge HD recorders to work? Also, knowing that these things need to be connected to a PC to work...I'm wondering if I'll need to build a new system with a faster multi-core CPU, more memory, etc. or if my Windows 7 Core 2 Duo with 4 GB of RAM rig will be ok. Thanks in advance for your help.
I agree if you lease their equipment.
If you own it, they should leave the DVR recordings and the OTA alone
System requirements
- Laptop or desktop PC with 3.0 GHz single core or 2.0 GHz multi-core processor
- Microsoft® Windows® 8, 7 or Vista (32 or 64-bit), or Windows XP Service Pack 3
- HD PVR 2 GE Plus includes HDPVRCapture.com application which runs on Mac OSX 10.7 / 10.8 ( Intel 32/64bit only, no PPC support)
- TV set with HDMI input
- 1 GB memory recommended
- Graphics card with 256 MB memory
- Sound card
- 220 MB free hard disk space
- CD-ROM drive (for software installation)
Thanks KazooGuy. I did see those minimum requirements on the Hauppauge website; I was just wondering if anyone had "real world" experience with their product and what type of PC setup they had used. One thing seems certain...nobody can use the HDMI output to record with these things because of copyright / DRM issues. Seems like component video out works well; I'm just looking for input from anyone who has used the model 1512 or something similar from Hauppauge with a DISH DVR.
