DISH's second quarter number posted and they lost 281,000 subs

[Troch77]

I'm both a customer that has the Flex Pack and spends greater than $90.

The Flex Pack can be and is, a great alternative. I get all the channels in the 'basic' sub that I will watch for less than what I was paying for them and a slew of channels I won't ever watch. And that lets me get HBO/SHO/MAX/Movie Pack and keep the final bill under $100/month and have a package that fits me well.

Others might see it that way too.

You of course, are allowed to spend more if you like...

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Again that's great for the 1 room customer.

So the only way to save money is have 1 TV and call Dish and ask for a retention only package that isn't advertised.

Sorry I'll take the Top 120 pack before I call and Ask Dish for charity.
Plus I'm fairly sure most customers Under a price lock would lose all their credits.

Right now
My Bill is as Follows
Top 250 $ 74.99
Additional Hopper $12
4 additional rooms $21
HBO ,Showtime, Starz, Cinemax, Movie pack.$35
+ 6% sales tax
Total $157
This includes my $27 price lock credit.
Must maintain Top 120+


So with your Flex pack.
Flex $44.99
DVR fee $12
Additional Hopper $12
4 rooms $28
$35 For Premiums
$139.50 with tax.

With Hopper 3
DVR fee would be $15 +3
Replaced Hopper 2 with Joey $7 -5
$137.50
Difference of

$20 savings.
No thanks
I'll just drop down to Top 200 save $10, drop Starz, save another $10
And then I'll still have way more channels than anyone with the Flex pack for the same price.
And wait until Charlie adds that 1 room fee on all your Hopper 3 accounts.
I know he's dying to fill that open slot on the bill.

Not sure why you would even need a Hopper 3 with that Flex pack?
Do you even have 16 channels.

Now back on topic, I bet the 281,000 hardly includes the full effect of NFL or Tribune disputes.
I'm waiting on 3rd quarter.






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[dare2be]

Not sure why you would even need a Hopper 3 with that Flex pack?
Do you even have 16 channels.

That was funny.

People who are price conscious aren't going to buy into the full premium pack of channels, will decide that 3 rooms of service will suffice and the other 2 rooms can be reserved for Roku, Bluray, Chromecast, etc. It's the ones who don't care what they pay as long as they get everything they possibly can who will not see any savings. And yes, Dish could (and probably will) very easily start charging more, but for the moment, the opportunities to save real money is there. The fact that the content continues to suck more and more makes dropping down to lower levels (or cutting the cord entirely) palatable.

 

[Troch77]

That was funny.

People who are price conscious aren't going to buy into the full premium pack of channels, will decide that 3 rooms of service will suffice and the other 2 rooms can be reserved for Roku, Bluray, Chromecast, etc. It's the ones who don't care what they pay as long as they get everything they possibly can who will not see any savings. And yes, Dish could (and probably will) very easily start charging more, but for the moment, the opportunities to save real money is there. The fact that the content continues to suck more and more makes dropping down to lower levels (or cutting the cord entirely) palatable.

It appears they do ,according to Mr. Parsons .

If I was a single person on a budget, I would have a Wally or 211 with an external with my economy pack.
Not a Hopper or DVR.
I certainly wouldn't be trying to bag the Flex Pack from retention with my
Hopper 3 and Multiple Premium movie packs.
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[lparsons21]

I'm enjoying reading this crap!

I have exactly as many channels that I actually will watch with the Flex Pack deal as I would have if I had some upper tier. I'm just not paying for as many of those that I never watch anyway. And I've got my premiums to boot.

So yeah, I got plenty to watch. But let's say I wanted multi-room, like add 3 rooms. So then:
Hopper 3 = DVR fee $15
3 Joeys = $21
Flex Pack = $34.99
Locals Pack = $10
National Sports pack = $10
HBO = $10
SHO = $7.50
Max = $5
Movie Pack = $5

$118.49 total

Hmm... Still cheaper, still has all the channels I want.

Edit: and who really cares what your total channel count is? The total that counts is total you'll watch.

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[lparsons21]

That was funny.

People who are price conscious aren't going to buy into the full premium pack of channels, will decide that 3 rooms of service will suffice and the other 2 rooms can be reserved for Roku, Bluray, Chromecast, etc. It's the ones who don't care what they pay as long as they get everything they possibly can who will not see any savings. And yes, Dish could (and probably will) very easily start charging more, but for the moment, the opportunities to save real money is there. The fact that the content continues to suck more and more makes dropping down to lower levels (or cutting the cord entirely) palatable.

Possibly, but you can be price conscious about your choices. Why pay more for packages that have more channels you won't watch? Right now I'm closer to paying only for the channels I want than any other package offers.

BTW, 'price conscious' doesn't mean 'cheap', it means not paying more than you have to while getting what you want.


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[dare2be]

Sorry LP, that's pretty much what I meant. Pay for only what you want/need. More package options give that flexibility and a greater chance of getting what you want without having to pay for everything.

 

[bobvick]

I'm enjoying reading this crap!

I have exactly as many channels that I actually will watch with the Flex Pack deal as I would have if I had some upper tier. I'm just not paying for as many of those that I never watch anyway. And I've got my premiums to boot.

So yeah, I got plenty to watch. But let's say I wanted multi-room, like add 3 rooms. So then:
Hopper 3 = DVR fee $15
3 Joeys = $21
Flex Pack = $34.99
Locals Pack = $10
National Sports pack = $10
HBO = $10
SHO = $7.50
Max = $5
Movie Pack = $5

$118.49 total

Hmm... Still cheaper, still has all the channels I want.

Edit: and who really cares what your total channel count is? The total that counts is total you'll watch.

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I wish I could like this post twice.

 

[Troch77]

I agree I pay for what we need.
And Dish isn't any cheaper than the next guy at providing me that.

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[lparsons21]

You just did!! Thanks.

But my math was off on the multi-room. Forgot to add the new FCC fee of $0.03!!


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[lparsons21]

I agree I pay for what we need.
And Dish isn't any cheaper than the next guy at providing me that.

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Maybe not for you, but no one available to me has what I have for the price I'm paying. All are higher and by quite a bit.

Between the Flex Pack offerings and the premium deals that have been ongoing, Dish has made me a good deal.


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[paranoia]

if this has been posted before , feel free to remove.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dishs-biggest-subscriber-loss-analysis-913156?ref=yfp

 

[MikeD-C05]

Looks like Att/Directv lost 49,000 subs total when they factored in the 342,000 positive subs for Directv minus the 391,000 negative subs from Uverse. So Dish wasn't alone in the 2nd quarter losses.


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[Troch77]

Looks like Att/Directv lost 49,000 subs total when they factored in the 342,000 positive subs for Directv minus the 391,000 negative subs from Uverse. So Dish wasn't alone in the 2nd quarter losses.


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So the more expensive company had far less drops as the cheap provider.

Makes you wonder right.

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[dare2be]

Yep, makes you wonder if Dish will ever merge with another service provider so that they can offer bundled service and remain competitive in this conglomerate oligopoly world. Dishnet is a joke and doesn't count.

 

[MikeD-C05]

Yep, makes you wonder if Dish will ever merge with another service provider so that they can offer bundled service and remain competitive in this conglomerate oligopoly world. Dishnet is a joke and doesn't count.

That is the sad thing , Charlie has satellite internet ,but it only is viable in country areas with no competition.The bandwith caps and higher prices are a non starter in most cities and towns with any competition.

If he had a way to provide internet or partner with a real cell phone company like T-mobile, he might make a change that would bring growth. He seems fixated on going after the high average revenue per sub, with good credit, that will stay with him longer, at the expense of growing the company. He hasn't made growing the company a priority since last decade ,when DISH was still on the upswing. But even the current strategy that he is pursuing isn't helping him with the profits any longer. His profits were only slightly up over last year at this time.

Sling tv is having more disconnects than connects and those numbers that used to help hide the basic sat sub losses are no longer doing that. Sling tv has no DVR and that is why it isn't working. Who wants to watch live tv all the time and the commercials? Not the millennials, who this service is geared for.

Now the FLEX pack at $34.99 a month and the other packs like news, variety, etc are a good first start towards ala cart : Canadian style. Or at least what Canada was doing before their legislature finally ordered full ala cart after the sub pays for a basic pack of locals and essential channels for like $25.00. But if DISH doesn't advertise this great new idea via it's website or advertise it to the public , it will stay a secret to us on this website or offered to subs who want to cancel.

If Charlie has some great idea for all that bandwith he bought , I wish that he would act on it and release it to the public. The current satellite model that DISH is pursuing is dying. I mean it will always be useful for rural customers with no cable competition,but as for the future I see it going the way of the big C-band dishes from the 80s. The hopper is a great idea ,but the fees attached to it make it unattractive to most new subs , who go with DISH in order to save money over cable or even Directv.

Something needs to change, because what he has been doing isn't working any longer.

 

[Troch77]

Let me just say the the Flex Pack in my house would cost me $70 a month to satisfy our household viewing habits.
That's still a lot less channels than what the Top 200 would offer at $80.

A la carte clearly isn't cheaper.
And while the Hopper 3 was supposed to be this HUGE game changer, well that was a flop to everyone except the Gadget freaks of Satellite guys.

Dish doesn't need to produce cheaper packs, or Merge with sad Mobile company's.

They need to start acting like they are a stable provider, and stop taking stuff away and pissing off customers.

It's not a hard concept to grasp.
But that ship has sailed IMO.
Customers are turning and running away.

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[lparsons21]

Let me just say the the Flex Pack in my house would cost me $70 a month to satisfy our viewing

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Which just shows it isn't the right plan for everyone.

For me the Flex Pack+Locals+National Sports @$55/month fits just fine and includes everything that I would watch that was in the T120, but costs me $10/month less.


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[Troch77]

Which just shows it isn't the right plan for everyone.

For me the Flex Pack+Locals+National Sports @$55/month fits just fine and includes everything that I would watch that was in the T120, but costs me $10/month less.


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But what your missing is this is nothing new.
Dish has had the cheap entry-level base packages for years now.
It's done nothing.....

The fact that you think Flex is better than say the America HD only packs, Smart Packs, we'll that's just another ones opinion, just the same as mine that thinks Top 200 is better than all those shopping channel packs that are less than $60.

This is not a game changing strategy .
A game changing strategy would be stop pissing off customers with these channel dishputes that don't save anyone money but Charlie.
Stop charging fees for service call when you are already paying for a protection plan.
Stop pissing customer off when they want to switch providers by charging them fees for returning Dish Owned receivers.
Stop telling customers they can't have certain equipment.
Improve your HD PQ for God sake.
Give the potential for customers in the 2nd largest city in the world by actually offering them something in the terms of sports.

And now let's hear the rest of yous tell me it's not Dish or Charlie's fault

But yet another 280,000 apparently see the trend I'm seeing.
I bet Dish loses 600,000 customers this year Minimum.

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[dare2be]

A la carte clearly isn't cheaper.

For you. Quit taking your anecdotal situation and making blanket statements for everyone.

 

[dare2be]

Dish has had the cheap entry-level base packages for years now.

Yeah, and for some unknown bewildering reason, they do not advertise them. If they did, they might actually see subscriber growth. Hardly anyone except people on satellite forums knows that the Welcome Pack and Flex Pack exist.