Dish Network Signal Integrity

[goaliebob99]

Does anyone know the email to report them pirates. Arrrghhhhh!!!! I found some kid selling them illegal boxes on a local Facebook group. I'm actually surprised that dish hasn't done anything about this.


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[nsafreak]

I don't recall what the e-mail is off the top of my head since it's been a long while since I've had the chance to use it. It might be something as simple as signalintegrity@dish.com . If that bounces you might want to contact one of the DIRT folks as I'm sure they can at least forward it to the appropriate folks.

 

[goaliebob99]

Thanks. I will give that email a try. It amazes me how people sell off of their personal facebook accounts in public craigslist groups. They cant be that stupid!


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[Claude Greiner]

Signal.integrity@dish.com

I doubt they will do anything about it besides use a few scare tactics such sending this kid a message saying who they are and that they are on to him.

They came to detroit about 5 years ago to battle a piracy problem. All they really did was go to Windsor Canada and put their business cards in the front doors of a few suspected pirate satellite shops and nothing ever happened.

They had another kid who was passing bad checks and setting up fake installations to get High end equipment like 922's and 722's. Again, nothing ever happened except for a phone call to the kid with a threat to get the police involved. The kid stopped, but again nothing ever happened.

What a joke, but I guess the signal integrity people have to justify getting a pay check somehow.

 

[boba]

Signal.integrity@dish.com

I doubt they will do anything about it besides use a few scare tactics such sending this kid a message saying who they are and that they are on to him.

They came to detroit about 5 years ago to battle a piracy problem. All they really did was go to Windsor Canada and put their business cards in the front doors of a few suspected pirate satellite shops and nothing ever happened.

They had another kid who was passing bad checks and setting up fake installations to get High end equipment like 922's and 722's. Again, nothing ever happened except for a phone call to the kid with a threat to get the police involved. The kid stopped, but again nothing ever happened.

What a joke, but I guess the signal integrity people have to justify getting a pay check somehow.

Claude they also have to deal with the legal system, in the cases you mention they were dealing with another country which further ties their hands.

 

[Tecnicoloco]

satscams.com

 

[Bob Haller]

when i attended the echostar 6 launch as a vip high ranking dish employees said we know a pirate is here, the trouble is we dont know who it is.

it was my idea to put up the pirate channel and they told me dont talk about it, for your own safety

 

[Claude Greiner]

satscams.com

Ok so they do sometimes do something about their signal piracy problem.

A few things to consider...

#1 Why can't they secure their signal like Directv? They spend all this money filing lawsuits, where as all they have to do is secure their signal which would end the problem once and for all.

#2 All the lawsuits lately are against end users, which result in a $10,000 judgement. Most of the judgements lately are default judgements.

#3 They are doing the right thing by going after the FTA manufactures and ones who write the code, but again why not just secure their signal?

 

[bobvick]

Ok so they do sometimes do something about their signal piracy problem.

A few things to consider...

#1 Why can't they secure their signal like Directv?

Is DirecTv that secure, or is it the fact that since Dish uses standard DVB transmission that can be received with standard DVB complaint receivers that can easily and fairly cheaply, be modified for IKS (internet key sharing) one of the chief reasons?
It would cost more and be harder to distribute modified cards for DirecTV than using off the shelf equipment to get Dish.

 

[trojan67]

when i attended the echostar 6 launch as a vip high ranking dish employees said we know a pirate is here, the trouble is we dont know who it is.

it was my idea to put up the pirate channel and they told me dont talk about it, for your own safety

Are you referring to the pirate channel that used to be on modified fta?

 

[goaliebob99]

Is DirecTv that secure, or is it the fact that since Dish uses standard DVB transmission that can be received with standard DVB complaint receivers that can easily and fairly cheaply, be modified for IKS (internet key sharing) one of the chief reasons?
It would cost more and be harder to distribute modified cards for DirecTV than using off the shelf equipment to get Dish.

Yes Directv is really that secure. Transmission methods have nothing to do with encryption because you can always adapt to the transmission method.


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[Claude Greiner]

Is DirecTv that secure, or is it the fact that since Dish uses standard DVB transmission that can be received with standard DVB complaint receivers that can easily and fairly cheaply, be modified for IKS (internet key sharing) one of the chief reasons?
It would cost more and be harder to distribute modified cards for DirecTV than using off the shelf equipment to get Dish.

Directv had a bigger piracy problem than Dish back in the day, and now the problem is gone completely and that was based simply off the security of the access card.

As far as Dish, yes the equipment is easier since FTA receivers can be modified, but the security still all in the access card.

Just sad they can't secure their signal like Directv

 

[bobvick]

Directv had a bigger piracy problem than Dish back in the day, and now the problem is gone completely and that was based simply off the security of the access card.

As far as Dish, yes the equipment is easier since FTA receivers can be modified, but the security still all in the access card.

Just sad they can't secure their signal like Directv

I believe what they are doing now is a type of key sharing, somewhere there is a legal subscription going and somehow the access key is being shared using the Internet and a dongle on DVB receivers. Kind of like the old cloning method used on the VCII back in 86-87. I am not sure they have really went to the extent to "break" Nagra 3 encryption. I am sure someone somewhere could break it, just like NDS could be broken. Any encryption someone or a group
of hackers somewhere can always break it. Whether or not it is economically feasible on a mass scale is the deciding factor.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Remember folks discussion of encryption or how to break it is not allowed here.

A good site is http://www.satscams.com

 

[navychop]

Wasn't DirecTV convicted of paying someone to crack the Dish system?

 

[Juan]

Directv had a bigger piracy problem than Dish back in the day, and now the problem is gone completely and that was based simply off the security of the access card.

As far as Dish, yes the equipment is easier since FTA receivers can be modified, but the security still all in the access card.

Just sad they can't secure their signal like Directv

Cost factor..Dish is willing to allow some stealing..

 

[bobvick]

Yes Directv is really that secure. Transmission methods have nothing to do with encryption because you can always adapt to the transmission method.


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I wasn't saying that the transmission had anything to do with it. I think you misunderstood what I meant. Dish is the cheaper and easier target because it uses an open system that is easily received by off the shelf receivers. DirecTV is more of a closed system, you cant "buy" their receivers anymore, they are all leases, and their transmission is a closed system as well. Piracy will go to the easiest and most economical way of compromising the signal.
It is generally believed that that (economics) is one reason that there was never a VCII+ (Plus hack) released. By the time the VCII datastream was shut off (especially the commercial data stream) programming prices were cheaper than keeping a broken board going. Had the programmers offered their services to TVRO users at reasonable prices (what cable paid or less) in 1986, there would have probably never been a wide acceptance of broken VCII boards back then.
I bet now that a lot of Dish's trouble is in Canada where they want the service but can't get it without a lot of trouble and the same for Dish, it is probably much harder for them to go after the dealers that sell the equipment and service to compromise the signal in a foreign country.

 

[Juan]

Wasn't DirecTV convicted of paying someone to crack the Dish system?

Fox I believe

 

[bobvick]

Wasn't DirecTV convicted of paying someone to crack the Dish system?

I think I do remember reading that, back in the NewsCorp era of DirecTV ownership. At that time, NewsCorp owned NDS too in addition to DirecTv. Seems like I remember reading that Cisco had bought out NDS last I knew.

 

[goaliebob99]

I think I do remember reading that, back in the NewsCorp era of DirecTV ownership. At that time, NewsCorp owned NDS too in addition to DirecTv. Seems like I remember reading that Cisco had bought out NDS last I knew.

Fox was under the newscorp umbrella at the time.


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