DIRECTV unlikely to keep NFL Sunday Ticket

[Bruce]

That 8.22 includes streaming customers for Dish...

It ended 2021 with 8.22 million Dish TV subscribers and 2.49 million Sling TV subscribers.

Dish Network’s pay TV subscriber losses more than double in Q4

Dish Network saw its net pay TV subscriber losses more than double across its satellite and streaming services during the fourth quarter. | Dish Network saw its net pay TV subscriber losses more than double across its satellite and streaming services during the fourth quarter.

www.fiercevideo.com

 

[Juan]

It ended 2021 with 8.22 million Dish TV subscribers and 2.49 million Sling TV subscribers.

Dish Network’s pay TV subscriber losses more than double in Q4

Dish Network saw its net pay TV subscriber losses more than double across its satellite and streaming services during the fourth quarter. | Dish Network saw its net pay TV subscriber losses more than double across its satellite and streaming services during the fourth quarter.

www.fiercevideo.com

Read the 10k

 

[Bruce]

Read the 10k

Go ahead and posts what it says.

Just admit you are wrong and move on and quit with these types of posts.

I admitted to my math mistake earlier in this thread, it is not hard to do so.

 

[Juan]

Go ahead and posts what it says.

Just admit you are wrong and move on and quit with these types of posts.

I admitted to my math mistake earlier in this thread, it is not hard to do so.

No
If you would read the 10k
You would know the reason for directv severe subscriber drop is that they are transitioning customers to a streaming service( a fact you ignored) and that dish primary focus is now their cellular service and could care less about satellite.

 

[SamCdbs]

Admitting a math error is one thing. It is another to admit that one's math error causes one's entire thesis to collapse. 3.1% in today's fractured viewership world isn't the "handful" that would support the idea that sports, or at least local baseball, are not keeping millions of customers with the luxury TV provider(s). Or form any basis for who, exactly, is the future customer base among those who just want "good enough TV" for Dish(mart).

Once again, are there people who buy Costco imitation spam flavored meat by-product and swear that they don't miss real steak that much? Sure. Its just not everybody, and the fact that the people who are out to save four cents jumped on it the day it came out does not indicate they are the early adopters of some universal trend. No, rather, in TV terms, they found a way to get the sports free (or, really content free) TV they wanted. Others have different goals. Which is why they still make real steaks. And why they still have luxury TV.

Because life is too short.

 

[Bruce]

Admitting a math error is one thing. It is another to admit that one's math error causes one's entire thesis to collapse. 3.1% in today's fractured viewership world isn't the "handful" that would support the idea that sports, or at least local baseball, are not keeping millions of customers with the luxury TV provider(s).

My thesis did not collapse, I always gave the number of people, just put the % in where I should not have, the facts are only only 400,000 out of roughly 13 million folks are watching, which is .031 of the viewing population, my problem with that is over 12 million people are paying for a channel that they have no interest in, being forced to pay for that RSN Fee with no option to get rid of it except switching/ending service.

I have no idea what Charter and Fios charge for a RSN fee, but DirecTV’s is $11.99.

Or form any basis for who, exactly, is the future customer base among those who just want "good enough TV" for Dish(mart).

Once again, are there people who buy Costco imitation spam flavored meat by-product and swear that they don't miss real steak that much? Sure. Its just not everybody, and the fact that the people who are out to save four cents jumped on it the day it came out does not indicate they are the early adopters of some universal trend. No, rather, in TV terms, they found a way to get the sports free (or, really content free) TV they wanted. Others have different goals. Which is why they still make real steaks. And why they still have luxury TV.

Because life is too short.

Again, just because my service (YTTV) is less expensive, does not mean it is not luxury, I get 1080P and DD+ on all the channels, you cannot get that with DirecTV, plus other benefits, instead of looking at it like it is the ‘Mart version of Live TV, think of it as a service that does not rip off their customers.

And if you compare DirecTV it to Dish, at least Dish is putting out new Hardware, DirecTVs has to be getting quite dated, have they announced any new boxes, imagine how bad their boxes will be in just 2-3 years, Dish is at least trying.

 

[Don in CT]

YES will be available via streaming alacart in the NYC metro area and surrounding yankee fan areas soon enough..it was announced that they had a deal with amazon...right now its only 20 games

Yankees’ deal with Amazon shows Randy Levine’s support for fans is all talk

Try as one might, one can’t shame the shameless. They’re buoyed by impunity thus have immunity.

nypost.com

Amazon owns a stake in YES.

 

[Juan]

Amazon owns a stake in YES.

Yup..some other big names too


People also ask


Who runs the YES Network?

Yankee Global Enterprises

The Yankee Entertainment and Sports Network (YES) is an American pay television regional sports network owned by Yankee Global Enterprises (the largest shareholder with 26%), Sinclair Broadcast Group and Entertainment Studios (which owns 20%), Amazon (which owns 15%), and The Blackstone Group, RedBird Capital and ...

 

[meStevo]

Wouldn't be surprised to see some RSNs like that begin to shuffle around too, with companies like Apple spinning up production studios and whatnot. Natural extension of the power grab via sports leagues broadcast rights.

 

[slice1900]

An interesting detail in this article on CBNC I have not seen before - because of language in the NFL's contracts with CBS and Fox, NFLST's price can't be lowered much from the current $300 because the networks want to protect their local broadcasts.

It sounds like this might be new language added to the most recent contract, which is why Directv has been able to offer it for free as a customer retention strategy.

If true, the people hoping for a cheaper one team subscription may not get their wish. And there'd definitely be no chance of it being used a freebie for Apple or ESPN to gain streaming subscribers.

Disney, Apple and Amazon keep waiting as NFL considers Sunday Ticket offers

 

[Juan]

An interesting detail in this article on CBNC I have not seen before - because of language in the NFL's contracts with CBS and Fox, NFLST's price can't be lowered much from the current $300 because the networks want to protect their local broadcasts.

It sounds like this might be new language added to the most recent contract, which is why Directv has been able to offer it for free as a customer retention strategy.

If true, the people hoping for a cheaper one team subscription may not get their wish. And there'd definitely be no chance of it being used a freebie for Apple or ESPN to gain streaming subscribers.

Disney, Apple and Amazon keep waiting as NFL considers Sunday Ticket offers

Att has been offering it forever for free

 

[MrMars]

Another article.

Amazon, Apple, Disney have reportedly all submitted bids for NFL Sunday Ticket, while DirecTV may strike a deal with the winner

The future of NFL Sunday Ticket has been in question for (at least) four years, and we’ll finally be getting a decision about the package’s new home in the coming months. And while a deal hasn’t been reached yet, three companies have submitted bids, according to Alex Sherman and Jessica Golden...

awfulannouncing.com

Quick summary. Amazon/Disney/Apple all placed a bid

DirecTV did not. They hope to work with the winner and offer Sunday Ticket to bars (and potentially residential customers) with all the money going to the rights holder. So DirecTV makes nothing but gets to offer it as an attempt not to lose subs.

If that indeed happens would say the chances of give aways would most likely be over.

 

[Don in CT]

Att has been offering it forever for free

Subsidized I’m sure. They were paying the full contract.

 

[Jimbo]

Another article.

Amazon, Apple, Disney have reportedly all submitted bids for NFL Sunday Ticket, while DirecTV may strike a deal with the winner

The future of NFL Sunday Ticket has been in question for (at least) four years, and we’ll finally be getting a decision about the package’s new home in the coming months. And while a deal hasn’t been reached yet, three companies have submitted bids, according to Alex Sherman and Jessica Golden...

awfulannouncing.com

Quick summary. Amazon/Disney/Apple all placed a bid

DirecTV did not. They hope to work with the winner and offer Sunday Ticket to bars (and potentially residential customers) with all the money going to the rights holder. So DirecTV makes nothing but gets to offer it as an attempt not to lose subs.

If that indeed happens would say the chances of give aways would most likely be over.

I LIKE this idea if it comes to be ....

 

[meStevo]

An interesting detail in this article on CBNC I have not seen before - because of language in the NFL's contracts with CBS and Fox, NFLST's price can't be lowered much from the current $300 because the networks want to protect their local broadcasts.

It sounds like this might be new language added to the most recent contract, which is why Directv has been able to offer it for free as a customer retention strategy.

If true, the people hoping for a cheaper one team subscription may not get their wish. And there'd definitely be no chance of it being used a freebie for Apple or ESPN to gain streaming subscribers.

Disney, Apple and Amazon keep waiting as NFL considers Sunday Ticket offers

I have no issue paying $17/week for a feature-rich NFL package - I simply don't have a legal option right now as we're not getting DirecTV.

I'm certainly not alone.

 

[Bruce]

I have no issue paying $17/week for a feature-rich NFL package - I simply don't have a legal option right now as we're not getting DirecTV.

I'm certainly not alone.

Same for me, I have no issues with paying $300 for NFLST, I just do not want anything to do with DirecTV and their overpriced service with dated equipment.

 

[Juan]

Same for me, I have no issues with paying $300 for NFLST, I just do not want anything to do with DirecTV and their overpriced service with dated equipment.

Would you pay more than $300?

 

[AZ.]

Same for me, I have no issues with paying $300 for NFLST, I just do not want anything to do with DirecTV and their overpriced service with dated equipment.

I kinda agree....But hell i had cable and talk about old slow equipment? Direct was lighting fast with a better picture!
Now I do live out in the sticks maybe the big city its way better?
Streaming only wont work for me, thats for sure.

 

[Bruce]

Would you pay more than $300?

I cannot see Apple or Amazon going over $300, both of them will charge the least amount they are allowed to charge.

Still believe Amazon is best for NFLST, with 150 million Prime customers in the US ( pretty much every household here), they have the most potential to get subscribers, unlike DirecTV with only roughly 11 million Satellite Subscribers.

 

[Juan]

I cannot see Apple or Amazon going over $300, both of them will charge the least amount they are allowed to charge.

Still believe Amazon is best for NFLST, with 150 million Prime customers in the US ( pretty much every household here), they have the most potential to get subscribers, unlike DirecTV with only roughly 11 million Satellite Subscribers.

How much do you think sunday ticket will cost apple...lets say 1.5 billion... ( current price directv pays)divided by 300 means 5 million subs @ $300 to break even... but the true price is closer to 2.5 billion ..which is basically 8.3 million subs @ $300 to break even... the truth is directv only has 2 million subscribers to sunday ticket...There is no way you would ever be paying $300 for sunday ticket...it will be in the $600 + range

Good luck with reality