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- Nov 29, 2003
- 14,302
- 18,366
200,000 left Dish, 57,000 left Sling, still way up from the same quarter last year.
But it could be worse, DirecTV is losing, roughly 500,000 a month, that is estimated from the 1st and 2nd quarter loss of a million and the total loss of 10-12 million the last 7 years, those two quarters were the last ones publicly reported, hence the estimate.
Since DIRECTV does not report numbers anymore its hard to say exactly how many are leaving them.
Net income attributable to DISH Network totaled $523 million for the second quarter 2022, compared to $671 million for the year-ago quarter.
Diluted earnings per share were $0.82 for the second quarter, compared to $1.06 per share during the same period in 2021.
Pay-TV
Net pay-TV subscribers decreased approximately 257,000 in the second quarter, compared to a net decrease of approximately 67,000 in the year-ago quarter.
The company closed the quarter with 9.99 million pay-TV subscribers, including 7.79 million DISH TV subscribers and 2.20 million SLING TV subscribers.
Wireless
Retail wireless net subscribers decreased by approximately 210,000 in the second quarter, compared to a net decrease of 201,000 in the year-ago quarter.
The company closed the quarter with 7.87 million retail wireless subscribers.
Diluted earnings per share were $0.82 for the second quarter, compared to $1.06 per share during the same period in 2021.
Pay-TV
Net pay-TV subscribers decreased approximately 257,000 in the second quarter, compared to a net decrease of approximately 67,000 in the year-ago quarter.
The company closed the quarter with 9.99 million pay-TV subscribers, including 7.79 million DISH TV subscribers and 2.20 million SLING TV subscribers.
Wireless
Retail wireless net subscribers decreased by approximately 210,000 in the second quarter, compared to a net decrease of 201,000 in the year-ago quarter.
The company closed the quarter with 7.87 million retail wireless subscribers.
Well they could get some of their money back if they would supply me with decent internet
At this rate, how long is it until Directv is smaller than Dish, based on the last available numbers?
Unknown, but when they lose NFL you can expect it to be there then.
Didn't Dish used to have 13.5 million subscribers and DTV had 25 million at one time? WOW!
The numbers I remember are that Dish had way north of 14 million subscribers at one point, maybe even closing in on 15 million, although I don't think they ever got quite that high. I know it was over 14 million when they started losing subscribers, dropping down to 13.something before the numbers actually started climbing again. Dish passed 14 million a second time (and celebrated that milestone both times, without mentioning that they had already reached that milestone once before) before the numbers finally started trending consistently downward.
Directv at one point had (I think) around 33 million total subscribers, although that also included Directv Latin America with around 13 million subscribers, if I am remembering correctly.
- Nov 29, 2003
- 14,302
- 18,366
Dish Network’s high was 14.1 million, Quarter 1, 2014
www.statista.com
Found this about DirecTV-
At the time of the original DirecTV acquisition in 2015, the satellite service alone had 24 million customers in the U.S.
deadline.com
Dish Network: pay TV subscribers in the U.S. 2023 | Statista
In the third quarter of 2023, Dish Network had 6.72 million traditional pay TV subscribers, down from nearly 7.61 million in the corresponding quarter of the previous year.
www.statista.com
Found this about DirecTV-
At the time of the original DirecTV acquisition in 2015, the satellite service alone had 24 million customers in the U.S.
AT&T Completes DirecTV Spinoff; Satellite Operator Unites Its Internet-Delivered Bundles Under New Brand DirecTV Stream
AT&T has completed the spinoff of DirecTV into a new entity part-owned by private equity firm TPG, capping a costly six-year adventure in the satellite TV business. The new entity, whose financ…
deadline.com
So since DISH had almost 14 million subs back in 2014, they have lost over 6 million subs in the 7 years since , if their numbers are down to 7.79 million subs now. At that rate , I don't see Satellite being even viable at the end of this decade.
Sling tv is still just at 2.20 million subs. I often wonder if they would offer a nicer interface with Sling ,that would be where the satellite customers would go to, if they have broadband internet. I mean the guide doesn't look that nice and the logos are not as nice as with the satellite version.
Also the Air tv Anywhere 4 tuner dvr device I bought last summer ,has already crapped out 6 months ago and I have had Sling tv replace it for free. It doesn't always work well and is kind of clunky at times. It will randomly reboot sometimes right during the show. My mother had the same problem with her Air tv Anywhere dvr. She had to get them to replace it, since it is covered for a year after you buy it. If DISH would put everything into making the Sling tv interface more like the DISH satellite version , I think it would do better. Say take a Hopper dvr and make it work for Sling tv .
Sling tv is still just at 2.20 million subs. I often wonder if they would offer a nicer interface with Sling ,that would be where the satellite customers would go to, if they have broadband internet. I mean the guide doesn't look that nice and the logos are not as nice as with the satellite version.
Also the Air tv Anywhere 4 tuner dvr device I bought last summer ,has already crapped out 6 months ago and I have had Sling tv replace it for free. It doesn't always work well and is kind of clunky at times. It will randomly reboot sometimes right during the show. My mother had the same problem with her Air tv Anywhere dvr. She had to get them to replace it, since it is covered for a year after you buy it. If DISH would put everything into making the Sling tv interface more like the DISH satellite version , I think it would do better. Say take a Hopper dvr and make it work for Sling tv .
Wouldn't it make more sense for Dish to improve the AirTV unit instead of adapting the Hopper if the goal is to move people to SlingTV from satellite?
That is exactly why adapting the Hopper does make sense. There are already millions of Hoppers deployed in the field, and satellite customers already have them. This way, Dish can allow existing subscribers to continue using the device they already have, while transitioning them over to the Sling service. Internet-connected Hoppers are already capable of receiving streaming channels and integrating those channels into the guide. It is simply a matter of making the Sling packages available (with the Sling branding) on existing Dish receivers, while also making sure that the Hopper software is actually capable of recording those streams. (Today, a lot of streams still say "no recording" although that may be purely a contractual requirement, not a technical limitation of the equipment.)
Things change. The Hopper+ may make a big difference, maybe more so in future years. More technical niceties may be on the way from Dish. Dish might make rapid use of any future technological developments. They are nimble.
There are two very important rules to follow, proven over time:
1. Never bet against Charlie Ergan. Even the casinos gave up against him.
2. When in doubt, refer to rule #1.
Charlie has more info available to him than we know about. And more skills and options.
There are two very important rules to follow, proven over time:
1. Never bet against Charlie Ergan. Even the casinos gave up against him.
2. When in doubt, refer to rule #1.
Charlie has more info available to him than we know about. And more skills and options.
It's likely possible to add the SlingTV app to the Hoppers, but integrating the guides and DVR would likely be a challenge. The Hopper+ may help with that.
Streaming is alive & well, and growing. Why pay for ad supported TV when you get a lot of it for free via streaming? I would love to cut way down from AT250+Supers+Movie Pack, I could. I have read and re-read what is in different packages. To save maybe at the most $20 month, I would lose a lot of channels I watch. Ale-cart never became a reality and I doubt it ever will. Flex just does not have what I want and even Flex has way too many channels I never watch. There is no package(s) out there that fits me. I wish there was. I do like the Supers & The Movie Pack. Good value. But for the price of AT250, that is way too much. I cannot blame Dish as the programmers raise their prices, so Dish has to do the same thing. But subscribers are dropping all Pay Services left and right. They are just doing without.
I wasn't even talking about the SlingTV app, but rather integrating the Sling channels directly into the guide just like the existing Dish streaming channels on Hoppers. That would address MikeD-C05's concerns about the Sling interface. Then, like I said, it would simply be a matter of making sure the DVR option works. As a last resort, the Sling app could still provide access to the cloud DVR, but that would be clunky considering that you are using a receiver that is already a DVR.
Also, they would need to work out who handles the billing. If Sling packages are made available on Dish receivers, would the customer still be billed by Dish? (Not that it makes that big of a difference since they are the same company, but they still need to determine how much money goes to each division of the company.) Would grandfathered Dish customers (like mwdxer1 with the Super Stations) be able to keep those packages in addition to the Sling packages? Or would you be forced to go Sling-only or Dish-only, rather than being able to mix and match between the two?
I think the next logical step would be for Dish to come out with a new Hopper Duo+ model. This would allow Dish to more easily convince those customers who like having a lower DVR fee (and don't need as many satellite tuners) to upgrade to the new interface. Since there is apparently no way that the existing Hopper+ will ever work with the existing Hopper Duo, I don't see any reason for Dish to come out with a new Hopper Duo model that is compatible with Hopper+. Rather, they should simply build the Hopper+ functionality into the new Hopper Duo+ just like they do with the new Joey 4's. This would also help convince customers, who don't like having a lot of extra boxes and accessories hooked up, to switch to a Hopper Duo+ since everything would be built-into one box.
Dish could also include some more of the traditional Hopper functionality into the Hopper Duo+, such as a larger hard drive, PTAT, and AutoHop. As a bonus, since Hopper+ functionality also requires Sling, that means that Sling will be built into the Hopper Duo+ also. That way, even customers who don't care about the Hopper+ interface would still have a reason to upgrade to the new model.
Once Dish gets all of the kinks worked out with the Hopper Duo+ and get it successfully deployed, then it will be time to start working on the new 4K HDR Wally+ with Sling.
I think there is an app where you can enter the name of the show you are looking for, and it will tell you which app, channel, or streaming service has that show.
