NFL 2025-2026 Season

[b4pjoe]

Not sure what problem you guys think is so bad that needs to be fixed here.

When forward progress stops, the play is stopped.

No it is not. Every game has plenty of times where a players forward progress is stopped until his teammates arrive to start pushing him forward.

 

[Jimbo]

What, exactly, is the issue? What is needing to be fixed here?

And forward progress has been brought up a number of times related to this - which is why I mentioned it.

What needs to be fixed is Pushing (or Pulling) players ... period ...

Ala the Tush Push as 1 play, but it happens all the time now ...
Yesterday I saw a play that would have been called stopped a few yards short of a 1st down, till 3 other players got behind the pile and pushed them to a 1st down ....

I signed up to watch Football, Not RUGBY.

 

[meStevo]

No it is not. Every game has plenty of times where a players forward progress is stopped until his teammates arrive to start pushing him forward.

It's a judgement call, it's not instantaneous. Many games also have plays where a play has been blown dead sooner than it should. When forward progress is determined to have been stopped the play is blown dead.

What I don't understand is what you guys are trying to solve with this, other than probably being upset your team didn't benefit from a call at some point and have held a grudge or something against it, it doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[meStevo]

What needs to be fixed is Pushing (or Pulling) players ... period ...

Why? Pulling remains illegal, so why are you conflating or not understanding the difference?

Ala the Tush Push as 1 play, but it happens all the time now ...

This will certainly be it's final season, not because of the pushing but because of how difficult it is to officiate and the issues that's caused. Will be interesting to see how they do it.

Yesterday I saw a play that would have been called stopped a few yards short of a 1st down, till 3 other players got behind the pile and pushed them to a 1st down ....

Why was this bad, unless it was against your team? Again, what are you trying to fix here? Nobody seems to be able to answer that other than the seemingly unspoken 'my team sucks at it' or 'my team was the victim of it'. My team just got blown out in the last Super Bowl with it and I'm not whining like this, lol.

I signed up to watch Football, Not RUGBY.

Good thing it's football and not rugby then.

 

[Foxbat]

So, if it's okay for linebackers to Push the ball carrier, why is it illegal to help another linebacker up in the air to block a field goal? I mean, it's a Team Sport, right? What better example of Teamwork? However, doing this is considered a Unsportsmanlike.

 

[meStevo]

So, if it's okay for linebackers to Push the ball carrier, why is it illegal to help another linebacker up in the air to block a field goal? I mean, it's a Team Sport, right? What better example of Teamwork? However, doing this is considered a Unsportsmanlike.

Think this one is injury related.

 

[b4pjoe]

It's a judgement call, it's not instantaneous. Many games also have plays where a play has been blown dead sooner than it should. When forward progress is determined to have been stopped the play is blown dead.

What I don't understand is what you guys are trying to solve with this, other than probably being upset your team didn't benefit from a call at some point and have held a grudge or something against it, it doesn't make any sense to me.

It is not a judgement call. When forward progress is stopped the refs should blow the whistle immediately. I have had it go both ways for my team and it is wrong to allow it at all for any team. There are plays every game where a couple of defenders clearly have the runners forward progress stopped. And then here comes 4 offensive lineman running up and bulldozing him 8 more yards forward.

 

[rvvaquero]

Why was this bad, unless it was against your team? Again, what are you trying to fix here?

I don't know if I'd say it is "bad", just that it is unfair to the defense. Has nothing to do with any particular team, I don't like it in any game. If 3 or 4 offensive guys get behind a runner and push him down the field, the offense gets the benefit of it. If 3 or 4 defensive players get together and push the runner back 5 yards, the ball is placed where the runner quit making progress.

No, it's not rugby, but it is a scrum that only the offense can benefit from. I just don't enjoy it, I think it changes the game in a way that I don't like.

Incidentally, my physics professor made it very clear to us that pushing and pulling are the same exact thing, just depends on which side you're standing on as to what it's called. For example: the trailer ball on a truck is actually pushing on the front of the trailer coupling.

 

[Jimbo]

Why? Pulling remains illegal, so why are you conflating or not understanding the difference?



This will certainly be it's final season, not because of the pushing but because of how difficult it is to officiate and the issues that's caused. Will be interesting to see how they do it.



Why was this bad, unless it was against your team? Again, what are you trying to fix here? Nobody seems to be able to answer that other than the seemingly unspoken 'my team sucks at it' or 'my team was the victim of it'. My team just got blown out in the last Super Bowl with it and I'm not whining like this, lol.



Good thing it's football and not rugby then.

NONE of these were against MY TEAMS ... so That has Nothing to do with it ...

The gathering of 4 guys pushing a runner is NOT Football ... when that happens the play should be called dead. Period

Why are YOU so For things that should Clearly be against the rules ?

Next thing you know, they will be picking the player with the ball up and carry him into the endzone, also illegal.

Btw, if Pulling is illegal, why isn't Pushing ?

 

[Yespage]

Next thing you know, they will be picking the player with the ball up and carry him into the endzone, also illegal.

Btw, if Pulling is illegal, why isn't Pushing ?

I'd presume it is a lot easier and consistent to determine a pull from a push.

I don't know if I'd say it is "bad", just that it is unfair to the defense. Has nothing to do with any particular team, I don't like it in any game. If 3 or 4 offensive guys get behind a runner and push him down the field, the offense gets the benefit of it. If 3 or 4 defensive players get together and push the runner back 5 yards, the ball is placed where the runner quit making progress.

Presumably a ball handler would down himself at the furthest point possible. But when being stopped by multiple players, it becomes impossible and unsafe to just fall to the ground. I'm uncertain just how often the RB is in a position to be getting shoved ahead. It is an odd situation to have the OL behind the RB. And I don't think I've seen such a thing and felt it was ruining the game. If it gets a bit much, the defenses will adapt as defenses are always adapting to changes in offense.

 

[Jimbo]

I'd presume it is a lot easier and consistent to determine a pull from a push.

Presumably a ball handler would down himself at the furthest point possible. But when being stopped by multiple players, it becomes impossible and unsafe to just fall to the ground. I'm uncertain just how often the RB is in a position to be getting shoved ahead. It is an odd situation to have the OL behind the RB. And I don't think I've seen such a thing and felt it was ruining the game. If it gets a bit much, the defenses will adapt as defenses are always adapting to changes in offense.

It doesn't have to be the O Line behind the RB, they usually have the QB running (or a RB I guess) and they have another RB/Full Back and bring a Tackle in motion ... theres plenty of beef to push the RB/QB forward.

Some defenses are crashing the edge guys and grabbing them and pulling backward, if they are quick enough.