AT&T merger and dry dsl (aka Naked DSL)

[sven_kirk]

Not to go way off topic now. But with the AT&T / BellSouth merger, it is rumored that they will be offering "dry DSL" from a dslreports.com article. As soon as it is offered, I am signing up for it, and dropping my landline.

But my real question is, do you think D* is finally going to find some way to work around this hurdle? I figured it would really hurt installers a lot. I know the R15 DVR does not need a line. But what about the other systems.

 

[charper1]

But my real question is, do you think D* is finally going to find some way to work around this hurdle?

What DirecTV hurdle?


For the tech challenged:

dry-DSL is more commonly known as naked DSL or stand-alone DSL.

 

[sven_kirk]

Doesn't D* boxes have to call in HQ to upload PPV info, and also needed for new installs.

My DTivo calls out about once or twice a week.

 

[charper1]

DirecTV boxes do not need a POTS line to be installed to operate; this is a value added service that is pushed by install companies because they get paid for them. You can buy all PPV type events online and avoid a POTS need. Phone lines for all DBS boxes (AFAIK) require a POTS line to upload any PPV remote order billing, not just DirecTV. There are far more US residents that have access to a telephone connection than any type or ethernet or wireless internet so that telephone upload ability should be around awhile on DBS boxes.

Why is your DirecTiVo calling out?

 

[Jimbo]

DirecTV boxes do not need a POTS line to be installed to operate; this is a value added service that is pushed by install companies because they get paid for them. You can buy all PPV type events online and avoid a POTS need. Phone lines for all DBS boxes (AFAIK) require a POTS line to upload any PPV remote order billing, not just DirecTV. There are far more US residents that have access to a telephone connection than any type or ethernet or wireless internet so that telephone upload ability should be around awhile on DBS boxes.

Why is your DirecTiVo calling out?

How do you know if your modem is calling out, I sleep overnight.
Is there somewhere to look on the receiver that tells you it has called out ?
I have the HR20-700.
I have a phone line connected because I like the Caller Id funtion.
The modem would in theory only call out if there was something (PPV wise) added to the Access card.

Also, at&t/SBC has had dry lines for a long time, but if you want one you have to ask for it, most people just have it piggybacked on the POTS line.

Jimbo

 

[charper1]

Jimbo,

It was Sven's question, not me; i have never had a tel line attached to my boxes.

 

[Jimbo]

Jimbo,

It was Sven's question, not me; i have never had a tel line attached to my boxes.

Sorry, I just clicked on your post because it was the last one,
NP.
I probably should have used his for it, but I screwed up

jimbo

 

[NiFi]

this is a value added service that is pushed by install companies because they get paid for them

No, what you mean is, it is REQUIRED by DTV, if your company falls below their minimum percentage of connected IRDs, you wont be installing for long.

 

[charper1]

No, what you mean is, it is REQUIRED by DTV, if your company falls below their minimum percentage of connected IRDs, you wont be installing for long.

Nope, meant it as exactly as I said it!


I respectfully dispute this as what install companies tell their contractors so to make more money and then when something goes wrong it is a convenient out. Funny, but I know at least 25 or more friends and relatives that have been installed since last summer that have NOT had this pushed/forced onto them by DirecTV nor their installer that did the work. NOT ONE PEEP about it, EVER by anyone.

 

[Jimbo]

No, what you mean is, it is REQUIRED by DTV, if your company falls below their minimum percentage of connected IRDs, you wont be installing for long.

I doubt that phone line connections will be required much longer, so I doubt that jobs will be lost because of it.
I personally wish they would stay out of my NI anyway.

Jimbo

 

[charper1]

Add to above..... 3 of those non-forced telephone line installs were just done in the last month. So I know for a fact it sure is not a country-wide or system-wide mandate; and none of these guys seem to worried about job losses.

 

[Claude Greiner]

Having a telephone like just "Enhances" your television viewing experence!

 

[charper1]

Totally! Fer' sher!

 

[NiFi]

Nope, meant it as exactly as I said it!

Just proof you really have no clue what your talking about.

Good for your 25 plus aunts uncles and friends of friends, this has nothing to do with the end user such as yourself.

It IS a mandate via DTV, so fool yourself into believing the big bad install companys are trying to screw you wanting to dick around with phone lines when it IS direct tv.

How do i know? I am a dealer and installation company doing my own sales/installs along with daily installs for Circuit City / Best Buy and a host of mail order companys.

The memo was sent out from DTV about 6 months or so ago, stating CLEARLY that you MUST maintain a certain activation / phoneline percentage.

 

[charper1]

Post the entire, unedited, unaltered memo from DirecTV please. And if that is the case (waiting to see it), there sure are a lot of plain, hard working installers that sure don't care about it or losing their jobs. This is more than the first time some memo was mentioned; even way back (more than 6 mos ago) and each time somebody asks to see it; the person and thread dies out and the claimed memo never appears. I would just like to read exactly what it says; because we have more than enough past history that shows us plenty of exaggerations and reading into what is really being said.

 

[NiFi]

Ya your right, we are all making it up just to argue with smacktards such as yourself. Even if posted you would argue it wasnt complete or unedited.

My point wasnt anything to do with whether you should or shouldnt need a phone line, but was directed at your totally wrong suggestion that installation companys are shelling phone lines to make money, DTV does NOT pay anything additional for activations with the phone lines attatched and in fact are having more and more HSP's mandate the lines be run for free. So wheres the plus in that for the installer?? Additional time and materials for nothing. Of course i am probably making that up too.

Direct tv has an issue to deal with on the phone lines as more and more customers have cell only service, but this has not stopped them from continuing to try and shove this down our throats.

Ask any installer out there what the first thing activation asks for AFTER you tell them that there are no phone lines attatched?? Your installer ID #.

This board has always been a great place for exchange of information and ideas minus one thing, all the people such as yourself that feel they answered a bunch of posts so they know everything and if they didnt see something than it doesnt exist or isnt true. LMAO - Stick to something besides making your opinions into fact on field work that you have no clue about. :up

 

[Jimbo]

This board has always been a great place for exchange of information and ideas minus one thing, all the people such as yourself that feel they answered a bunch of posts so they know everything and if they didnt see something than it doesnt exist or isnt true. LMAO - Stick to something besides making your opinions into fact on field work that you have no clue about. :up

I make plenty of posts and do plenty of FEILD work, and install plenty of phone lines as well.

Is it OK for me to post ?

Also, WHAT does any of this have to do with "AT&T merger and dry dsl" thread

Jimbo

 

[charper1]

No need to resort to the typical name calling and excuse ploy; just please post the memo! That's all that was asked while I called you no names or attacked you personally. If you don't want to post it or don't have it, just say so and like the other times it was asked for and not delivered for examination, we can just forget about this thread as containing any facts.

 

[dishrich]

geeze, if it's REALLY necessary to "prove" something

since obviously he's making it all up - NOT...

just please post the memo!

(from Nov 2005)

Please be advised that all DIRECTV receivers are required to be connected to a land-based telephone line as part of a standard installation. This is not a new policy. It has been in place for years. If you need a copy of the SPIG (Standard Professional Installation Guide) it is posted on the retailer website.

DIRECTV is reviewing the percentage of receivers installed by each dealer that do not have a telephone line connected. The current rate is way below expectations. If the percentages do not increase substantially (that means approaching 100%) in the next few weeks the 60 day $100 chargeback policy will be invoked for receivers installed without a telephone line connection.

Please remember that this is a REQUIREMENT not a customer option. There may be special circumstances from time to time where a phone line just cannot be done, but it should be the exception and not the norm. An installer saying to the customer “You don’t really want the phone connected do you? You’ll save money without it because it’s just for pay-per-views anyway” is not going to cut it as a customer objection. Remember that this is part of the job you are being paid to do. It has always been part of the install. It is not a new extra task we are asking you to do for free.

You can feel free to sell the customer wireless phone jacks when it makes sense for both you and the customer. This can be a good profit opportunity.

 

[charper1]

Scan and post the actual document; as an attachment please.

No , I never said anyone is making anything up, I simply know first hand what is NOT happening at the install and YES, it is actually necessary to prove things as opposed to just spouting off without being able to back them up; which I am not saying happened, I am saying that it does happen. I can call you or anyone else here a lying thief, which obviously means nothing without the proof to back it up. So there should be no harm or worry in posting said documents to back up information (any info) and to allow it to be read by everyone. Hiding info, just makes it SEEM that there is something to hide. That's all, nothing more, and nothing less.