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mike123abc
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Last reply · posted in The HD DVD / Blu-ray WAR ZONE!
Europe Steps Up Probe of New DVD Formats - WSJ.com

(yes it is a subscription link, but I am sure it will be found soon on non pay sites)

In a move that could be key to determining the future of home cinema, European antitrust regulators are stepping up their probe into possible anticompetitive practices in the format war over high-definition DVDs.

Hollywood's studios are racing to dig up files, emails and records of telephone conversations related to the competing Blu-ray and HD DVD formats after the European Commission sent out letters last month demanding evidence of their communications and agreements on the new generation of DVD formats.

The European Commission, the European Union's executive body, appears to be particularly interested in the activities of the Blu-ray group because of its dominance in Hollywood, according to people familiar with the situation. The commission is investigating whether improper tactics were used to suppress competition and persuade the studios to back their format.
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JoeSp
You miss a point here teachsac. The US courts decided this suite against M$ before the EU met and decided the same thing. The EU took their stance with the knowledge that the US courts were going to hold M$ to some responsiblity.

In this issue the HD-DVD camp has already lost its bid in the US courts. You are looking for the EU to come to a decision that is oposite of the decision of the US courts. I don't see that happening and even if they do they have no jurisdiction over a US company.

If the EU did decide that the HD-DVD camp request has merit the only way they could force a US company to do something that the US court system will not force them to do is file a lawsuit in the World Court. This would pit EU lawmakers against US lawmakers. Who do you think will win here? This is the US and our government is not going to allow another government to dictate to a US company how they can and can not do business. This is unheard of and has never happened in the history of this county.

This would start a legal battle over imports that would escalate to covering most everything any company in any country wanted to import. You really think the EU is ready to start this type of import war? Especially one they could not win? The only course for the EU if they decide in HD-DVD's favor is to censor sale of BluRay product in the EU. That would start an import war of another kind. Especially with the price fixing of Toshiba's players. Where is the suit by the BluRay camp on this issue -- something the courts would listen too?

Oh I forgot, this is the United States of America -- a land of free commerce where you can set your selling price at anything you want to except for undercutting the market or price gouging -- what?
teachsac
Not unprecedented. Ask Google, Apple, Universal Music Group, and EMI. Under articles 81 and 82 of the Treaty of Rome "Market sharing, exclusive marketing and other anti-competitive practices may be exempt from competition law if the behaviour increases consumer benefits or technical progress." Both camps would fall under this. As for Microsoft, The US court influenced the final EU decision as the EU copyright law was shot down for competition.
JoeSp
Not unprecedented. Ask Google, Apple, Universal Music Group, and EMI. Under articles 81 and 82 of the Treaty of Rome "Market sharing, exclusive marketing and other anti-competitive practices may be exempt from competition law if the behaviour increases consumer benefits or technical progress." Both camps would fall under this. As for Microsoft, The US court influenced the final EU decision as the EU copyright law was shot down for competition.

Where is the 'exclusive marketing' being provided by the BluRay group? You can buy movies in HD-DVD and purchase HD-DVD players. There is no monopoly either implied or actual in the high def movie distribution. Both camps distrubute movies in their respective formats and not in each others -- save for the 3 studios supporting both sides. If the EU decides to look into how the BluRay group signed up all those studios they would have to look at how and why M$ dollars are finding their way into Universal's and Toshiba's pockets.

I believe the WSJ article implied this as a no win situation for the HD-DVD group. Bottom line is it is not going to help HD-DVD in disc sales in the immediate timeframe. But the article in the WSJ just might push a few CEOs to lean their companies towards BluRay in an effort to shorten this war. Is the EU the going to take on BlockBuster, BestBuy, Sears, and any other retailer that decides to just do Blu in the future? I don't believe this is a can of worms the EU wants to open no matter what they say.
mike123abc
Well they may not be able to force HD-DVDs, but they could simply not allow the companies in question to do business in the EU. A very large market to be locked out of. But, of course this would take years and I doubt anything would come out of it since the war would probably be over by then.
navychop
Yep. Tempest in a teapot. Politicians posturing for voters- or is it pandering? Knowing full well it will all be for naught.
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osu1991
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
dishstaller
Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city :rolleyes:
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I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Juan
Not alot of dish customers any more
Foxbat
I'm not a big fan of the new layout, especially on my Apple TV. It used to look like the old Guide layout on the Hopper 3, but they changed parts of that, too.
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dishstaller
I really dislike change for the sake of change
TheRatPatrol
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
Jimbo
Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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dfergie
I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
Jimbo
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
dishstaller
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Last reply · posted in Movie Talk
Might be worth a watch when it comes out. Looks like typical big corp against the little guy movie BUT....there is a reason this plot type is so oft repeated, it draws audiences.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-f9OGsKHd4
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dishstaller
BTW, I noticed right after I posted this that someone else had already mentioned it....sorry for the duplicate thread. Still looking forward to seeing the movie.
meStevo
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Last reply · posted in Movie Talk
If you're going try to read / listen to the book (can't recommend the audio book enough) before this comes out, I'd avoid trailers.

Trailer below, spoiling it to make sure you read the above bold message first. The book / audio book are fantastic. Go into this blind if you can IMO!




Kind of disappointed at how much they show. A lot still to see, but man, some good reveals in the book that are just served up here.
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meStevo
I've seen it twice. Can't recommend the audio book enough, Ray Porter's performance is amazing and there's so much more in the book than the movie.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
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Forgot to comment. I did watch when it first came out on MGM. I enjoyed it a lot. I think reading the book made it easier to watch. Several friends commented it was a little hard to follow.
TRG
TRG
"astrophage". I read the book but didn't see the film yet.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
That's what I will be watching this weekend.🤗
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Kindle book on sale for $2.99 today at Amazon.
dishstaller
.........there's so much more in the book than the movie.
I agree. That can go for pretty much any book vs movie. Back when I was single I would read any Stephen King or John Grisham book I could get my hands on. When you read a book you make up the scenes and characters in your mind.....the movie version always disappoints.
meStevo
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Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
A big win for the Patriots, and they are now 3-2.

Browns lose a close one with... The Jets. That is a classic Browns loss (granted, any loss is a classic one it seems). 49'ers, Vikings, and Chiefs remain undefeated. The AFC north have a three way tie at 3-2 for second place. :eek:
osu1991
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.
meStevo
Jalen Hurts out indefinitely as they treat and monitor a superficial blood clot in his leg.


View: https://x.com/RapSheet/status/2111074303185989663?s=20
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dishstaller
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I had quit watching this show years ago because I ended up more annoyed than entertained. Well......I'm STILL more annoyed than entertained. I DO find it interesting to see how things work behind the scenes at many businesses. What annoys me is how utterly out of touch CEOs are with the companies they run. At the end of almost every episode the head of the company is amazed at how hard the employees have to work and many times have to work around impossible guidelines set forth from headquarters.

I found this one interesting because the new CEO had big plans for this company, Muscle Maker Grill, and it looked like the stores were all pretty busy. Recent history hasn't been good to this company however. I bet the covid lockdowns were the real killer.


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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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White Wedding - Billy Idol
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White Christmas - Elvis Presley
dishstaller
Dirty White Boy - Foreigner
Bobby
Tickle Me (Dirty, Dirty Feeling) - Elvis Presley
dishstaller
Dirty Diana - Michael Jackson