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rockymtnhigh
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SatelliteGuys.US :flag: Technical Chat Recap
August 13, 2007
Hosts, Mark Jackson and Dan Minnick
Tonight on Tech Forum:
.Product UUpdate
..Guest: Seagate Technology
. ITV Updates
. Trivia Giveaways
. Q&A

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Call or E-Mail
1-888-621-2078
techforum@dishnetwork.com
Only technical questions, please!
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1. Two new HD Receivers

Vip222 - dual-tuner, two-tv box, HDTV for tv1, SDTV for tv-2, PiP in Single Mode

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Vip722 DVR, replacing the 622

dual-tuner, two-tv box, HDTV for tv1, SDTV for tv-2, PiP in Single Mode

500GB Hard drive, 55 hours of HD programming, or 300 hours of SD recordings


HOW DO I GET THE 722 or 222 as an existing customer?

Dish'n it up promotion. $100 redemption bonus when you update.

Go to dishnetwork.com; login to your account and see what your dish'n it up price is.

No orders until 8/15

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NEW HD PROGRAMMING!!!
Launching six new HD channels on August 15th. Extending HD leadership.
America's Top 100 and Dish HD
9492 - MHD - Music High Definition
9487 - Discovery HD
9488 - The Learning Channel

America's 200
9489 - Animal Planet HD

America's Top 250
9468 - Golf/Versus
9490 - The Science Channel

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NEW SOFTWARE - Vip622

1. Group by Titles. You can group DVR recordings by titles and and see how many items under the same title


2. Ability to connect 622 to the Internet using ethernet port.

a. ability to buy PPV without phone-connection

b. eliminates $5 fee if you don't have phone connection.

If you connect only through the ethernet, Dish Home will not work

c. Two ways to connect the box to broadband. Go to tech portal for home network installation instructions. Go to website, search on home networking, see how to connect your receiver to the ethernet

Direct-connect from router/switch to set-top box with a cable.

Or use Home-plug. Plug directly into the wall,or plug into a HomePlug surge power strip, go into home find internet router, and connect to a HomePlug ethernet adapter. $20 for a single connection. Get at a local retailer.

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GIVE-AWAY:
A Vip722 with an installation of a new dish.

Question: What is the true amount of space on a new 100GB hard disk drive, rounded to the nearest 1000th. First to call at 1-88-662-3474 wins. Can't have won in the past year.


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Q&A

Email:
1. Jason - Have more than one 622, can I move my external storage from one to another? If you have 622 and 722s you can move them in the household between receivers. You can do it three times. Initially just three times, until a new software update. Within your own household. Will roll it out to other HD models end of the year.

2. Martin: PocketDish, My archos PocketDish worked fine until HBO and Cinemax has been changed to prevent copying. Rendered the Pocket Dish useless.

Have to do this because studios have requirements on DRM. Work-around, re-record it.

3. Richard: Do you need a landline to subscribe to Dish Network? No. But to take advantage of all features, you do need a landline.

4. Scott: Is it possible to download recorded programs to computer? Not directly allowed to do it. If you want to do it, record to a DVD recorder, then use software to convert to PC format.

Call:
Tracey: Upgrade from 322 to 222. Trying to get screen-saver turned off. Is the 222 internet capable? Should be able to disable the nightly standby on the 322. On the 322 go through Setup, installation, nightly standby option. Other receivers through preferences menus. 222 has the same things; Or set an auto-tune timer.
Can 222 be hooked to ethernet? Yes, but not yet. Hopefullyy by the end of the year.

5. leah: Will the 722 have an ATSC RF Output? No. That would output the signal in pure digital form, which would run into copyright form.

WINNER of 722 - Kim R.

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External Storage Feature
Included in the new software for 622 and 722.

Ability to connect an external Hard Drive.

Video explaining the external hard drive storage option. Move programs to an external USB HDD. Open up more space on DVR. Important for those recording HD programs.

Purchase any off-the-shelf HDD, between 40GB and 750GB. Dedicate it for DVR storage.

Connect to USB port. Follow connection instructions with the Hard Drive.

Will see message if you want to manage it. You will have to format the drive.

One time archiving activation fee, $39.95. contact dish at 1-888-241-2205 to activate.

Follow onscreen prompts to move programs.

Keep the Hard drive cool. Don't move it while powered.

Available 8/15.

Buy single Hard drives, not "dualies." Only one drive will work at a time. Can plug in different drives. Eventually can daisy chain drives. Don't support USB Hub yet.

Use a empty drive. Or lose everything when it is reformatted. It will be a dedicated video drive.

Only content from my recordings list can be transferred. Rental recordings will not transfer.

You can not share the drive with other Dish users, OR connect it to your PC.




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SPECIAL GUEST - Rob from Seagate hard drives

Amount of hard drive space in a DVR will run out. So external hard drives are useful. Now moving ability to scale your storage to the dish network DVR.

How do you choose a hard drive? Pocket book? Lots of ways to differentiate drives.

1. Look for style. What do you want it to look like?
2. Making the right connection; Dish requires USB 2.0; you want to make sure it is 2.0
3. Make sure the drive can operate in temperature conditions that might not be ideal. Look for high heat tolerance. Seagate tolerances are at 35 degrees celcsus.
4. Want it to be quiet.
5. Rubber-Feet
6. Lots of drive features are irrelevant for Dish DVR.

How to take care of a hard drive. Seagate believes it is robust. Things you can do.
1. Remember heat is the enemy
2. stay in the air flow
3. Don't drop it.
4. Get enough gigabytes.


Technical components of a Hard drive.
1. Main components is the spindle/motor. Spin at 7200rpm. Provides the performance needed to playback multiple streams of HD content.
2. Data on platters. comprised of aluminum or glass substrate with a microscopic thin layer of a coating with the bits, magnetized, 1 or 0.
3. Actuator - arms extended from it - the read/write head. In a four platter drive, there are eight actuators with a read-write head. Kind of like a record player.
4. How it finds information: read/write heads float over the surface, and never touches the surface. It can accurately count data. Each track on a drive, a concentric circle, provides the first part of the address for the data. The next part is the cylinder. Sector is the final part of the address. The beginning and end of the file. It all tells the HDD where the data is.

Where can you buy these drives? Just about everywhere. Showed a list of retailers where you can get a maxtor or seagate drive.

Prizes! A Maxtor 1-touch drive, and a Seagate Free-Agent Drive. Both are 750Gigabytes. Go to first two people: what was the max capacity in gigabytes of the world's first commercial hard drive using perpendicular technology?
Call at 1-88-621-2078


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Other updates

1. New software; make point-dish signal strength consistent across models.
video explains.

strong signal helps prevent signal interuptions. Numbers might be different then in the past. Possibly up to 30% less. But the strength has not changed, just the numbers.

You want a green bar, not a yellow bar (number under 17). A red bar (under 10) means no signal.

External factors can affect your signal strength. Make sure there aren't obsctacles affecting your signal strength.

Shows how to adjust the dish up to 40 degrees.

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Update with Scott Higgins on iTV.
1. goofy skit with golfing.

Showing the Dish Home, multi-cams for sports coverage; example from the US Open this June, and then showed example from the X Games from two weeks ago.

Six screen events shown periodically on Dish Network.

2. Other interactive media features. DishOnline.com. Added new feature to allow you to see the EPG on the web.

3. Thinking of adding TV search feature for an episode or series, with schedules, and recommendations of similar shows.

4. Dishonline.com added new trailers that you can watch. Can order pizza online.

5. Will stream the air new zealand cup. Other streaming events on Dishonline. Rugby, Tennis, Motocross, Bands and artists "on tour" etc...

6. New games on Dishonline.com; The Apprentice: los Angeles. Can compete with others. Arcade games, kids games.

Hopefully by October, we will have ability to set timers from the PC to control the Dish DVR timer.


Winners from Seagate- -Brian and Pam from Rhode Island and CT. Answer: 160GB Seagate HD in 2005

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MORE QUESTIONS

1. Gary: What format should the HDD have? It doesn't matter, we will reformat. Either port will work.

2. Mike - Have an old Dish 300 antenna want to hook up for 61.5. Have DishPro LNBs. How can I hook up all of them. If new dish has Dish pro, need Dish pro LNB on all of the dishes. Can't use a legacy and Dish Pro LNB hooked to a dish pro switch.

Out of time...

That's it for tonight.





Next CHARLIE CHAT, September 10th, 9pm, Channel 101. SatelliteGuys.us will be there to bring you a detailed recap as always.


Thanks to Digiblur for the accompanying screen-caps!
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K
At least, to me, the 722 doesn't appear to be a must have for someone like me who has had the 622 for 7 months, and still has 11 months for the current contract :)

It would appear that, if I started to fill up my programming (possible until I realize that some of the interesting sounding programming coming out this fall isn't any good), I can just pay the $40 and buy a cheap USB hard drive.
dfergie
Yeah the 722 is not as big of a deal with the advent of External Storage... ;)
J
Next chat???

Been away for a while....

When are the next chats scheduled for?

TIA.
tsduke
Been away for a while....

When are the next chats scheduled for?

TIA.

Just had one on the 13th so I'd say October for the next one.
digiblur
Been away for a while....

When are the next chats scheduled for?

TIA.

Did you read the recap or look at the slides?
osu1991
Pub Member / Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club

The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.


:eek


It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.
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navychop
Servant's problem.
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Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.​
harshness
The EV company to watch out for is SAIC. They seem likely to take over Government Motors at some point.

GM originally struck a JV deal with SAIC to gain access to China. Now SAIC has taken China back with the substantial library of technology GM shared and they're looking to export to Mexico, South America, the Middle East, and Asia-Pacific.
osu1991
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Peter Parker
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
No idea what improvements might be involved.
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bookworm370
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
This has been an ongoing issue. A fix is coming, probably in the next software version.
Foxbat
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
Here's the one I need:
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Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
osu1991
They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
Was thinking same thing. It should be a good week for sec shorts and roll call
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
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Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"
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meStevo
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.


View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k


We've literally got a movie already about this ;)


View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
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meStevo
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.
harshness
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.
meStevo
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
harshness
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
meStevo
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
harshness
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.
meStevo
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
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dishstaller
Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.
meStevo
Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

Agents need appropriate context to make what would be understood as the correct read in a situation like that, and that Gemini answer was a clear miss on that front.

That said, we've also seen Musk (and/or his team) put his thumb on the scale (or just release a very poor product) with his own deployed AI since:


In the end, it's all a tool. Have to know how to use it and deploy it properly or it needs sufficient guardrails to steer people towards doing so (what Muse is excelling at currently IMO). I'm routinely interacting with several agents a day operating various processes locally and in services I use, and there are numerous others silently spun up to perform actions or satisfy requests from my prompts.

Related to earlier discussion in the thread on leveraging local inference: this kind of analysis happening behind the scenes is something everyone will have built into Windows, IMO. Most people won't see all of this, just the results, unless they want to dig into how the fix was chosen. Stuff like this will be standard as agents get local system access baked in, and more of the inference itself moves on-device.

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Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.



This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
You invested in datacenters?
meStevo
You invested in datacenters?


Though, I do have stocks in my portfolio that benefit from data centers.
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My year was almost up and we got the new bill for a year of service for $ 360.00 insane sat radio is becoming like cable!!! i logged into my acct and hopped onto chat and told the rep that i wanted to cancel. she understood my concern and went quiet for a few minutes. i figured that she was canceling my service. she comes back and said that she seen that i have been a sub since 07 and then offers me the same package for a year for 120.00 with taxes and fee's!!! i grabbed it. after almost having a stroke :biggrin
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What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $4.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.
Jimbo
What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.
Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.
EarDemon
I tried to do that, when I did delivery driver work (2010- 2013), we had a fleet of Freightliners. The newer trucks had headunits that were satellite compatible (XM only I think), but lacked the antenna and guts. I got a car kt for my old Roady XT and tried to use it, but at the volume levels I needed have it at to hear it over the diesel engine it sounded like crap, so I used my phone with an aux cable. When I was in the middle of nowhere with no cell service it didn't do me any good though.

At my current job, one of our new cars has the free trial of SXM active, I frequently have to go off site to a location 75 miles away in a rural area and it's nice being able to use the service off of the satellites versus using the app. There are many places on this journey where all three providers lack service.
B
Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.
I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!
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TRG
I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!
I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.
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I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.
yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.
Jimbo
yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.
You get an email every month to let you know they are billing you for the next month.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Mississippi Cotton Picking Delta Town - Charley Pride
harshness
Delta Dawn - Tanya Tucker
dishstaller
Can't You See - Marshall Tucker Band
sdfntx
See You in September - The Happenings
long_time_Dish
You Look Like You Love Me - Ella Langley
meStevo
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.
meStevo
Jalen Hurts out indefinitely as they treat and monitor a superficial blood clot in his leg.


View: https://x.com/RapSheet/status/2111074303185989663?s=20
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meStevo
Browns lead the AFC North 🤣

Seth Meyers What GIF by Late Night with Seth Meyers
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