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Well, the installer showed up this morning (DISH employee). I told him that I had ordered, and been promised a VIP722 and a VIP622, and wanted to verify that he had that on his WO. He told me that his WO stated a 722 and a 222. So, we called DISH to see what was going on.

The CSR told me that I couldn't have two HD DVRs, unless I bought one of them. I told him that I was told the exact opposite when I placed my order, and I provided the Rep ID of the person who told me so.

He then backpedaled a little, and said that the order in fact said that I would get the 722 and the 222, then be upgraded to the 622 once the installation was complete. Not being born yesterday, I was quick to point out to him that I had no intention of agreeing to an 18 month commitment, with a "promise" of getting upgraded "after installation."

After 5 minutes of being put on hold waiting to talk to a supervisor, he came back and told us that he had gotten a supervisor, and was transferring us. He then put us on hold for another 5 minutes, then we were routed directly into someone's voicemail, whose message we couldn't even understand. I told the installer to hang up, and sent him on his way.

So, I've now written a memo to ceo@echostar.com, and we'll see what they say.

Interesting thing while we were waiting on hold: The installer, who works for DISH, told me that my Comcast HD picture was "the best I've ever seen." :eek:
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J
Well, the installer showed up this morning (DISH employee). I told him that I had ordered, and been promised a VIP722 and a VIP622, and wanted to verify that he had that on his WO. He told me that his WO stated a 722 and a 222. So, we called DISH to see what was going on.

The CSR told me that I couldn't have two HD DVRs, unless I bought one of them. I told him that I was told the exact opposite when I placed my order, and I provided the Rep ID of the person who told me so.

He then backpedaled a little, and said that the order in fact said that I would get the 722 and the 222, then be upgraded to the 622 once the installation was complete. Not being born yesterday, I was quick to point out to him that I had no intention of agreeing to an 18 month commitment, with a "promise" of getting upgraded "after installation."

After 5 minutes of being put on hold waiting to talk to a supervisor, he came back and told us that he had gotten a supervisor, and was transferring us. He then put us on hold for another 5 minutes, then we were routed directly into someone's voicemail, whose message we couldn't even understand. I told the installer to hang up, and sent him on his way.

So, I've now written a memo to ceo@echostar.com, and we'll see what they say.

Interesting thing while we were waiting on hold: The installer, who works for DISH, told me that my Comcast HD picture was "the best I've ever seen." :eek:

Why exactly do you need two high-end DVRs?
StevenD
Why exactly do you need two high-end DVRs?

Because some of us have more than one HDTV. I personally have five....hooked up to three 622s, a 942 and an 811.
R
Because some of us have more than one HDTV. I personally have five....hooked up to three 622s, a 942 and an 811.

Exactly. Why would I want half of the system I have now? And why should I have to pay DISH $600 to get the same technology I'm getting now for free from Comcast? Personally, I think it was a compromise on my part to only get two TVs on HD, and the other two on SD.

I guess "Better TV for All" only works if "All" includes people who only have one HDTV, or who only want to record shows on one of their TVs.

The math just doesn't make sense to me. Are they telling me that they can't recoup their money by renting me two DVRs, and collecting $100 a month from me for 18 months, then, getting their DVRs back if I cancel? If so, I guess their business model just needs some work.
J
Exactly. Why would I want half of the system I have now? And why should I have to pay DISH $600 to get the same technology I'm getting now for free from Comcast? Personally, I think it was a compromise on my part to only get two TVs on HD, and the other two on SD.

I guess "Better TV for All" only works if "All" includes people who only have one HDTV, or who only want to record shows on one of their TVs.

The math just doesn't make sense to me. Are they telling me that they can't recoup their money by renting me two DVRs, and collecting $100 a month from me for 18 months, then, getting their DVRs back if I cancel? If so, I guess their business model just needs some work.

All I'm saying is that it seems unreasonable to expect two high-capacity triple-tuner DVRs for free, when the deal is you get one. The fact that you claim to have negotiated an extra one for free is great if it's true, but that's not the deal they advertise.

As to what Dish's business model is, or whether it needs work, I suppose you'd have to work at Dish to know that, wouldn't you?
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All I'm saying is that it seems unreasonable to expect two high-capacity triple-tuner DVRs for free, when the deal is you get one. The fact that you claim to have negotiated an extra one for free is great if it's true, but that's not the deal they advertise.

As to what Dish's business model is, or whether it needs work, I suppose you'd have to work at Dish to know that, wouldn't you?

Many of us have two leased 622's (I do) but we had to wait a year in between getting them which is quite silly I think. They are getting the same amount of money from me regardless of how long I had to wait and they are potentially losing business by not giving out two at a time.
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well my personal thought on this .. and i know im new to the forums.. but have been a tech for 3 years is.. and i see it daily... why must you whine about the fact that dish doesn't want to "give" you $1000 dollars in equipment... jesus christ.. take the mid ground and give them the faith that if they Give you this $1000 in equipment, for the amazing price of $5 a month that you will be a customer for at least enough time to recoupe $90 dollars of it back...
dishcomm
Well, the installer showed up this morning (DISH employee). I told him that I had ordered, and been promised a VIP722 and a VIP622, and wanted to verify that he had that on his WO. He told me that his WO stated a 722 and a 222. So, we called DISH to see what was going on.

The CSR told me that I couldn't have two HD DVRs, unless I bought one of them. I told him that I was told the exact opposite when I placed my order, and I provided the Rep ID of the person who told me so.

He then backpedaled a little, and said that the order in fact said that I would get the 722 and the 222, then be upgraded to the 622 once the installation was complete. Not being born yesterday, I was quick to point out to him that I had no intention of agreeing to an 18 month commitment, with a "promise" of getting upgraded "after installation."

After 5 minutes of being put on hold waiting to talk to a supervisor, he came back and told us that he had gotten a supervisor, and was transferring us. He then put us on hold for another 5 minutes, then we were routed directly into someone's voicemail, whose message we couldn't even understand. I told the installer to hang up, and sent him on his way.

So, I've now written a memo to ceo@echostar.com, and we'll see what they say.

Interesting thing while we were waiting on hold: The installer, who works for DISH, told me that my Comcast HD picture was "the best I've ever seen." :eek:
Sorry but I have a copy of the business rules...Says in plain English that one HD Dvr per customer..per account. Installation includes all receivers on the customer's plan.
A programming bundling package called "Dish DVR Advantage" is also available to all DHA eligible customers to provide them with an "all in" offer that represents a single price point.
Eligible Equipment: Standard Definition
301/311/381
322
522/625
High Definition
411/ViP211
ViP722 DVR
ViP222
Remanufactured product should be used for fulfillment whenever possible.
Account Receiver Configuration
Limits: Limit 4 leased tuners per account (SD or HD)
Limit 2 ViP211 per account
Limit 2 522 / 625 receivers per account
Limit 1 Homezone receiver (ATT Agency customers only)
Limit 1 ViP722 DVR per account
The ViP722 HD DVR may not be included on the same sales order with the 622HZ receiver.Limit 2 ViP222 per account
Customer Eligibility:DishFAMILY
America's Top 100
America's Top 100 Plus
America's Top 200
America's Top 250
AEP
DishLATINO
DishLATINO Plus
DishLATINO Dos
DishLATINO Max
Great Wall TV Package
Whover told you that you could get a 722 and a 622 on the same order was mistaken...Or just trying to get you to say yes....This is most unfortunate..
Oregon Duck
"You are killing me Smalls!"
(Quote from the great movie, "The Sandlot)
I thought by now, for purely entertainment value, that I would reading the comcast forums to see how happy you are with them!
Claude Greiner
On a different subject, a long time ago we used to be able to do a 625 and a 522 which would give the customer (2) Standard definition DVR's.

But after like 3 months, that rule was quickly changed!
Scott Greczkowski
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One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

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Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

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Dirty White Boy - Foreigner
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Tickle Me (Dirty, Dirty Feeling) - Elvis Presley
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Anony55
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Nebugeater
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
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Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.
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Nebugeater
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.


Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Anony55
Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.
dishstaller
Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.
Anony55
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.
It hasn't changed. When I cancelled my service the other day, they told me I didn't need to return the receiver (which I already knew because I purchased it).

But in addition to that, the young man told me not to sell it, but to take it to a recycling place. The reason he gave for the advice was because 211Ks can no longer be activated.

So as far as the VIP211k goes... once grandpa dies, he's dead.
T
They tell you to trash it and not to sell simply because they're phasing them out, not particularly because someone might be "confused" into buying it and not be able to activate. They tell people that in every case where they're not acting to get a box back, either from a replacement or service cancel.
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Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
Foxbat
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
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WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
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wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
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I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
OMG to freaking funny :biggrin
comfortably_numb
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

Not likely since that place closed down.
Foxbat
Not likely since that place closed down.
You're no fun.😑
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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I really dislike change for the sake of change
dishdude
I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
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I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
Yes a lot cleaner, glossier, and less functional. Someone trying to justify why they are making a big salary. "See look shiny"
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navychop
"Big salary." Charlie. "?Big?"
Tampa8
Seems in some ways better. Nicer layout, as others said maybe cleaner. Moving ahead in the guide is better.
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Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Ronnie-
Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
navychop
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
navychop
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
KAB
KAB
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
ncted
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.
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apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
ncted
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
I assume you mean services, like iCloud and Apple Music, and not actual software sales. Services have been growing quickly for Apple, but hardware still brings home the bacon. As for where Apple's revenue comes from, the iPhone is still king with 49.58% of revenue as of June 2026. Services comes in second with 28%. iPad, Mac, and Wearables/Home makes up the rest. So, that is 72% coming from hardware. Their profit margin is around 25%, FWIW.

I am skeptical the AppleTV 4k makes them much money on the hardware though, which I suspect is what you were getting at.
ncted
What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
You should have looked in the APP STORE instead. ;)
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Will do!
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
look again mine says free for 1 month
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look again mine says free for 1 month
Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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wonder why it says that
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Almighty1
look again mine says free for 1 month
You have a different offer that is free for a shorter timeframe which is different than the one that I and bnewt saw without defining the promotion period as I sent the question to DISH Care via Facebook Messenger and this is the response I got back 20 minutes ago.

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wonder why it says that
Answer 2 minutes ago from DISH Care via Facebook Messenger:
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