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Last reply · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion
First Impressions:
Wow, this is one tiny unit! I normally ignore the manufacturer's instructions and stack units ontop of eachother. I definitely won't be stacking anything on top of this box, as it would be crushed.

The STB appears very sturdy given its size.

No power switch on back. I guess that means unplugging the unit is the only way to completely power down for swapping cables/switches/etc. crud,

The manual is HUGE, but 90% of it is in another language. Skimming the manual gives me the impression that this is going to be a bear to configure (not what I was looking for! Crud.)

Power supply is external – similar to laptop. 1st Problem, the cord is some funky European plug-in cord that will not work with typical American 110v outlets. Luckily the cord is the same style as many electronics (thus, I've stolen one from my box of xBox supplies since the seller claims he "always" ships an adaptor [somehow mine must have imploded in transit or something])

I already knew that I'd be dealing with either a SCART adaptor or using the Video/Left/Right RCA jacks on the back for video, so this is no surprise. There are places that you can buy the scart to svideo and scart to component video adaptors, but I opted to pass on those for now.

The remote is tiny. Holding the remote in my hand feels okay, until I attempt to press any of the buttons towards the bottom – it's difficult to press the buttons as the bottom without losing hold of the remote. But hey, at least it came with batteries!

Extras included:
4 port Diseqc switch (like I need another of these!)
Standard serial cable
Cross-over serial adaptor

Setup/Use:
Using the Yellow/Red/While RCA cables to connect to my TV (I didn't opt for the scart-svideo adaptor), connecting to TV was simple.

Booting the box brings me to a flickering screen. Oh yeah, this must be PAL and not NTSC. I can see the some text flickering in the background but cannot read it. I start messing with buttons and see the text change, and can almost make out the letters PAL in the black flikers. A few more clicks and the flickering quit and I see that I've conveniently selected NTSC.

Time to scan in a satellite… great, only Eurpoean sats are loaded. Trolling through the guides and various sites gave no help in manually configuring new sats. Everything pointed towards "adding" sats that were already listed in the list, and I needed to add sats that were not in the list on the box. Finally I found a satellite.xml that someone had configured for North America, and figured out that I could use a program called DreamEdit to upload the xml file onto the box via Ethernet or serial port.

After loading satellite.xml with the correct sats, I could still not select a satellite to scan. After loads of tinkering, it became obvious that I needed to enter a menu to configure the satellite/lnb options. Then I needed to enter another menu to locate the sat, and then a submenu to scan the transponders.

I selected the gotoxx functionally from the menu, and to no surprise of mine at this point, it did nothing for me. I entered my lon/lat info in various ways, but it never even caused the motor to turn at all (reading various forums confirmed the suck gotoxx support). So, now comes the fun – I had to manually find and store each satellite position and using the stored locations via diseq 1.2.

Storing satellite positions shouldn't be tough, but a curious problem with the menu requires that you always add and immediately edit the info for that location and save it. You'll never get back to that entry to edit it later since the dialog only allows you to tab into the edit fields when you are on the first or last entry in the list of satellite locations. Very frustrating when you realize that you've made a mistake and need to go back and fix it. The whole "adding a sat & transponders" thing and getting them scanned in really sucks. So much that that I already dislike this thing. As for scanning results – it picked up a few channels that even my fortec blindscan didn't find, but it also missed a bunch of channels (luckily it looks like there is a nice and cumbersome method to manually enter these channels.. crud)

Okay, so I've scanned in a few sats, so lets go watch tv:
Clicking the menu, I can select TV or Radio (among other things). Instinctively clicking the big middle button brings up the list of available tv options to choose from. It's pretty intuitive, but a bit overwhelming to have all the info that I'd scanned in to now be formatted by sat/provider/service (interesting that it knows the "provider"! That's a tidbit of info that may be helpful to some).

Selecting channels is easy enough. Each channel is given a unique number, so you can actually key in the number and it will go there (a feature that I miss on my fortec, and a feature that will make using this device with a pvr work pretty well). Changing between channels (same sat or not) is as quick as you'd expect, but there's a little distorted/flicker for a split second as soon as the channel tunes in.

One thing I'm noticing is that the bottom of my screen is getting cutoff. This isn't such a big deal, except that the menu/info for the channel is located at the bottom of the screen. Wait, I hope that's not the EPG area, because the epg is the only reason I wanted this box… crud! I did some reading, I guess this is a known issue that nobody really cares to fix since this doesn't occur in PAL format… double crud! I emailed Tech Support, but as of 5 days later, no reply.

Tinkering around in the menus, nothing much too exciting there. There are some "skins" for the interface, so I decide to select a new skin. Yikes, flipping screen like PAL comes up again.. except that I can see nothing at all (completely blank flipping screen) and cannot get the remote to respond. Eventually I have had enough rebooting and staring at it, so I use the DreamUp utility from their website, download their latest firmware flash for this box, and connect it to my pc using the included serial cable – reflashing is a breeze and got me outta the flicker-loop! Oh crud.. no more channels/satellite positions/etc. I guess I should have saved them off to my PC before tinkering :/

One thing that I'm seeing that is worth nothing about this device is that it really never shuts off. I mentioned that before (no power switch on back), but didn't realize how true this is. If you get an error message on the screen and then click the power button, the unit will tell you that it is off (indicated by the green light on the front turning to red), yet the error message continues to display. Even when you don't have an error, the unit outputs a black screen image instead of cutting off its output entirely. This is a problem for people like me who have an A/V switch that auto-senses active inputs. The dreambox video is always active, even when it's turned off. So now I have to manually switch my A/V switch over to watch tv on another input.. crud. Oh yeah, and everytime you turn the unit back on, it requires you to select a channel - it turns on and shows just a black screen until you start clicking menu buttons and select a channel. This seems silly, especially if you watch the same channel most of the time. Crud.


I plan to give the unit a bit more workout when I have time, but no more time for now. The big projects for the future will be setting up the ability to record scheduled events to a shared pc drive, and load the EPG database with my own EPG data. A secondary 'fun' project would be to determine how to capture/rip mp3's for listening on my zune,ipod, or rio.. and maybe investigate the streaming functionality to stream video directly to my xboxes with xbmc installed.
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lsat
You can have all that gadgetry.. it's still a piss poor FTA box with a weak tuner, weak power supply for motor, and no blind scan.
updatelee
well I wouldnt recommend it as a primary box thats for sure, I use mine in conjunction with my fortec mercury II. the fortec controls the motor and finds the feeds, I then enter them into the dreambox.

the mercury II sits in my computer room and the dreambox in the living room, the dreambox is an amazing ird, but its defn not an ird I would recommend to anyone as their primary ird. its defn not as plug and play as other irds as well, as mentioned the menu structure is quite different then other irds and takes some time getting used to, it also requires more tinkering to get up and running, often with apps from the computer.
Tron
From what I've read, the Dreambox is basically a Linux PC running a FTA tuner card. I had been interested in purchasing one, until I realized that I can do pretty much the same thing (and more, actually) with a Twinhan card in a PC.

The standalone nature of the Dreambox, however, can be an advantage.
L
From what I've read, the Dreambox is basically a Linux PC running a FTA tuner card. I had been interested in purchasing one, until I realized that I can do pretty much the same thing (and more, actually) with a Twinhan card in a PC.

The standalone nature of the Dreambox, however, can be an advantage.
True, it is mostly just a small PC (VERY SMALL) with a tuner built-in. I was actually hoping for "more", in the form of a slick interface and all the bells and whistles already included/configured (rather than having to piecemeal them together on the pc). It does appear that there are packages out there that have a lot of what I want from the Dreambox, but it's definitely not as slick and easy as I'd hoped it would be "right out of the box".

One nice feature of the Dreambox (or other linux variant fta boxes) is that the hardware is fixed (known), so development of modules that really do just install and work without any further tinkering is much easier. Heck, I have a PCI card, but I never use it because I have troubles with drivers and various software not working as they should.
Tron
Yes, configuring the software can be a pain for the PCI DVB cards. Unfortunately, the software package they come out of the box with is woefully inadequate in many respects. Fortunately, there are software packages such as MyTheatre and DVBDream that improve the usability of the PCI DVB card considerably. The only software from Twinhan that I have installed is the latest card drivers from their website.
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
I haven't posted in almost 17 years. Over the air, sat, offline, anything-but-the-internet is still one of my avid pursuits. Been playing with offline tv viewing and offline web browsing. I have great appreciations for this site still being here. It's so hard to find public communities that haven't sold out to social media company.
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dishstaller
Got to admit, I had to look up "offline web browsing". I had never heard of it.
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Scott Greczkowski
Welcome back, as you can see we branched off into a bunch of things since Satellite is what it is now, so lots to talk about here. :)
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Jimbo
Got to admit, I had to look up "offline web browsing". I had never heard of it.
From what I understand, it's just saving a article or whatever, to Save it so you can read it later ....
Unless he's talking something entirely different ... the way I am looking at it, you Still need the Internet to load it originally.
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dishstaller
the way I am looking at it, you Still need the Internet to load it originally.
That was kinda the way I understood it as well.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Harden My HEART-Quarterflash
ClarkGable
My Heart Will Go On - Celine Dion
Bobby
This Should Go On Forever - Rod Bernard
long_time_Dish
Go On Cry - Heart
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Let Her Cry - Hootie & the Blowfish
SuperDish_Fan23
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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dishstaller
My Wife was recently in an antique store and saw a rotary desk phone and it had one of those sticker overlays that had a business listed with phone number under each number on the dial. She looked closer and it had my old Radio Shack listed under the 8...she bought it. Pretty cool keepsake. Back then I rented vhs movies as well so I had it listed as Radio Shack / Movie Gallery and then the phone number.
Almighty1
I remember this in the news too...

Bobby
I remember this in the news too...

That is a misnomer. In the old days you subscribed to telephone service. That included the telephone line and one telephone. An extension cost $1 a month extra. So that $14,000 over 42 years was for the service not the leased telephone. There is no way they paid $28 a month for 42 years for a leased telephone.
HIFI
2.webp
2.webp
anybody remember this disaster ?
SuperDish_Fan23
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
Whoever still has their 922, please let me know i just wanna see photos of the ui and other stuff
Gary Toma
Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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jamieh1
Now in the Hornets and Hurricanes markets we just get the TV promise screen. But Directv still charges sports fee I am assuming.
Luckily my DTV stream package doesn't have a rsn fee. Figure DTV that always says is the leader in sports would have come to an agreement by now.
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K
Now in the Hornets and Hurricanes markets we just get the TV promise screen. But Directv still charges sports fee I am assuming.
Greenville-New Bern is $11.99 for MASN (Orioles) and Nationals
Raleigh is $11.99 for MASN and Nationals
Charlotte is $12.99 for BravesVision, MASN, Nationals and Reds

The fee in NC also includes the higher in state rate they have to pay for ACCN. Down in SC the fee is $15.99 as they are also a SEC state.
I'm not sure if they're doing it with those teams, but in some markets they also use the fee to cover the additional cost they have to pay for independents and MyNet stations that picked up full season NHL and NBA rights.

If you go to the TVPromise site, you'll likely be able to get a credit for not getting the Hurricanes and additional Hornets games that air on WITN-D2

Figure DTV that always says is the leader in sports would have come to an agreement by now.
Part of the hold out might be the packaging and price for outer areas like how the Thunder needs sports pack for other states. Hopefully they are also pushing for a guarantee from the teams that they would require whoever wins their local broadcasting rights in 2028 to negotiate with MVPDs. Commercial distribution rights are probably a factor too.

I'm guessing they got a deep discount for the Clippers based on how long it took them to officially announce ClipperVision and their KTLA simulcasts after they were basically handed a multi-year draft death penalty.

The Predators and Pistons channels are using feeds supplied by Scripps Sports

The Heat likely depends on whoever they sign for the Fort Myers DMA, as there's no point in paying a high price for the Heat just for that DMA when WPLG is streaming it for free on their app and website for viewers in the Miami DMA, and they already carry the West Palm Beach station.
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cp2k
If you go to the TVPromise site, you'll likely be able to get a credit for not getting the Hurricanes and additional Hornets games that air on WITN-D2

I tried this with both the Hurricanes and Hornets since I'm in upstate SC, and wasn't offered any kind of credit by the site. It's not a huge deal to me as I can pick up WSOC/WAXN over the air at my location even though I'm outside the Charlotte market.
TheRatPatrol
I thought the NBA TV contracts were short term as the NBA is trying to get all of the teams into in an all in one streaming app?
K
649 GRZLLIES and 671 PACERS are now available.

The rest are still pointing to the TV Promise slate
K
660 CAVLIERS, 668 TWOLVES and 680 SPURS are now available
coolman302003
649 GRZLLIES and 671 PACERS are now available.
660 CAVLIERS, 668 TWOLVES and 680 SPURS are now available
One thing in common among these 5 teams is they all signed exclusive local streaming rights with DAZN (replacing traditional regional sports networks previously).

I know the Spurs are going to have 22 games OTA on (KMYS-TV CW35) in SA market but they will also still be on DAZN so a simulcast not exclusive to CW35 but in addition. So we should get all the Spurs feeds on NBA LP via the channel 680 remap.
Tom Speer
Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Cutting Edge Information
In order to participate in any Cutting Edge testing, you must sign a Non Disclosure Agreement (NDA). Attached are a .docx (Microsoft Word) and PDF version of the latest DirecTV NDA. I found it easiest to complete the .docx version then paste a photo or scan image of my signature, cropped closely to just the signature into it as a picture. Then set Word to wrap text around the picture so that the picture follows the text "Signature".

People who have better PDF tools than I do may prefer that version.

When you apply for any Cutting Edge testing, you will be told how to send the signed copy.
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Tom Speer
Any NDA you have signed before is still valid for the testing you have been and hopefull still are doing. The new NDA forms are ror new CE testers and new categories of CE testing. They have been placed here so that people who volunteer for any CE testing have access to them.
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
This was actually one of the more disturbing videos I've seen on this channel. IF this guy hadn't been driving a Tesla which has 360 degree cams, he would probably become a felon and had his life ruined.....all because of a lying cop. The other officers in this video didn't impress me too much either, their whole mentality was how can we nail this guy.
This is a perfect example of why I'm always a bit nervous when I get below Perry, FL. There is a huge difference between north and south Florida and everyone who lives here knows this.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4Q8q0KQQ14
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Bruce
This was actually one of the more disturbing videos I've seen on this channel. IF this guy hadn't been driving a Tesla which has 360 degree cams, he would probably become a felon and had his life ruined.....all because of a lying cop. The other officers in this video didn't impress me too much either, their whole mentality was how can we nail this guy.
This is a perfect example of why I'm always a bit nervous when I get below Perry, FL. There is a huge difference between north and south Florida and everyone who lives here knows this.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4Q8q0KQQ14

Central is not any better, Polk County still does not have body cams.
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Bruce
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
I was reading this article


That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.


Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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Jimbo
But they ARE Streaming as well, so they Should be counted as both, which would make the Streaming numbers even More prominate.

Q.
Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...
b4pjoe
But they ARE Streaming as well, so they Should be counted as both, which would make the Streaming numbers even More prominate.

Q.
Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...
But they are basically airing a number of live channels just like Broadcast, Cable, and Others so that is why they are counted that way.
Bruce
But they ARE Streaming as well, so they Should be counted as both, which would make the Streaming numbers even More prominate.

Q.
Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...
Same.

Ratings for streaming content is extremely accurate, since the service knows who is watching what and when, when we hit ok on our remotes.

Ratings for Broadcast/Cable shows has always been a estimate.
Jimbo
Same.

Ratings for streaming content is extremely accurate, since the service knows who is watching what and when, when we hit ok on our remotes.

Ratings for Broadcast/Cable shows has always been a estimate.
If I flip thru shows on an app, 3-4 in a few minutes, does that still show that I watched the whole episode ?


If I watch the Super Bowl for 5 minutes, does that count as watching the Super Bowl ?
Is it the same if I just watched the Commercials.
Bruce
If I flip thru shows on an app, 3-4 in a few minutes, does that still show that I watched the whole episode ?


If I watch the Super Bowl for 5 minutes, does that count as watching the Super Bowl ?
Is it the same if I just watched the Commercials.
Nielsen Streaming Ratings: Third-party measurement firm Nielsen tracks U.S. streaming viewership, releasing weekly reports that measure total minutes viewed across major television sets, broken down by program (such as original, acquired, and movie content) rather than minute-by-minute audience retention curves.
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Bobby
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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Bobby
CFB, Indiana at Michigan, Saturday 10-24, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, BYU at UCF, Saturday 10-24, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
Bobby
MLB, Rays at Brewers, Friday 10-23, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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MLB, Rays at Brewers, Saturday 10-24, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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MLB, Brewers at Rays, Monday 10-26, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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MLB, Brewers at Rays, Tuesday 10-27, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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