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Last reply Sep 4, 2007 · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

finishing my basement... and I want HD!

hey!

long time reader, but first time poster. I've had DTV for some time now, but with the basement being finished in the near future, I wanted to go with HD. So my question is.... of course, whats the best route to go? We have not put up the drywall yet so I was thinking it might be a good time to have them come in and install the cabling and such before we do for ease of installation.

Currently we just have the basic round dish, so I am expecting a bigger dish. I live in SLC, UT where we have HD locals and I wasnt sure If I'd need the 5lnb or not.

Just basicly, since this is my first HD installation I'd like to get any suggestions or feedback in advance. Should I go through DTV or shall I go through an independant.......

Thanks in advance, and any suggestions are welcomed.

matt

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atp1313

Sep 2, 2007

xxmattnxx said:
hey!

long time reader, but first time poster. I've had DTV for some time now, but with the basement being finished in the near future, I wanted to go with HD. So my question is.... of course, whats the best route to go? We have not put up the drywall yet so I was thinking it might be a good time to have them come in and install the cabling and such before we do for ease of installation.

Currently we just have the basic round dish, so I am expecting a bigger dish. I live in SLC, UT where we have HD locals and I wasnt sure If I'd need the 5lnb or not.

Just basicly, since this is my first HD installation I'd like to get any suggestions or feedback in advance. Should I go through DTV or shall I go through an independant.......

Thanks in advance, and any suggestions are welcomed.

matt

Yes, you will need the 5LNB to get HDLIL and upcoming mega release of HD channels.

I would imagine that cabling through open framed room would be easier than fishing through/behind drywall, so good plan/timing there.

As for independent contractor vs. D* installer, going with D* will be cheaper (anywhere from Free to $45). Going with independent installer will likely give you more cabling options and maybe a better finished job. But again, when cabling while still roughed in should provide positive results no matter who you go with.

And :welcome

to the forum

xxmattnxx

Sep 2, 2007

atp1313 said:
Yes, you will need the 5LNB to get HDLIL and upcoming mega release of HD channels.

I would imagine that cabling through open framed room would be easier than fishing through/behind drywall, so good plan/timing there.

As for independent contractor vs. D* installer, going with D* will be cheaper (anywhere from Free to $45). Going with independent installer will likely give you more cabling options and maybe a better finished job. But again, when cabling while still roughed in should provide positive results no matter who you go with.

And to the forum

Thanks for the welcome

Now just to make sure I'm doing the right thing... the HD deal is like $99 with a two year commitment that includes the reciever and the dish right? my other question was the fact the website states 9.99 HD access, do they mean access to the HD pacakge or is this a standard fee just for having HD equip....

jdspencer

Sep 2, 2007

Have the four cables from the dish go to a common location. Then distribute from there to the other rooms. This is where you'd put an additional multiswitch if/when needed. I would also run a cable for an antenna to that location. Then at the HDTV location I'd run at least three cables (2 for the DVR and one for antenna). You might consider a couple of spare in case you want to add another DVR. Of course, with the new SWM technology, you won't need that many cables. However, too many now is better than having to add anything later.

You should also consider a couple of Cat5e/Cat6 cables for networking.

That $9.99 is for HD package access.

Jimbo

Sep 2, 2007

jdspencer said:
Have the four cables from the dish go to a common location. Then distribute from there to the other rooms. This is where you'd put an additional multiswitch if/when needed. I would also run a cable for an antenna to that location. Then at the HDTV location I'd run at least three cables (2 for the DVR and one for antenna). You might consider a couple of spare in case you want to add another DVR. Of course, with the new SWM technology, you won't need that many cables. However, too many now is better than having to add anything later.

You should also consider a couple of Cat5e/Cat6 cables for networking.

That $9.99 is for HD package access.

xxmattnxx said:
Wow I didn't even think of the networking possibilities, but it makes sense. I mean, if your going to be finishing a new basement, why not consider all possibilities.....

jdspencer said:
Yeah, you have to consider everything. Heck, even though it isn't needed, you might want to run a phone line to that location as well.

And, don't forget about running speaker wire to where your 5.1 speakers will be located. There's a lot to think about.

At this point I would definatly run ethernet down that wall and back to your central location.
The HR20 is currently working with ethernet ability, for d/l movies over the internet.

Jimbo

Questioner

Sep 2, 2007

You should definitely setup an hd projector type display while you have this chance.

atp1313

Sep 3, 2007

xxmattnxx said:
my other question was the fact the website states 9.99 HD access, do they mean access to the HD pacakge or is this a standard fee just for having HD equip....

The easiest way to think of it is that you pay for your level of channels (Choice, Plus, Premier, etc) and any channel in that package that is available in HD would be presented for you if you also pay the HD Access Fee. You would also get DiscoveryHD Theater, HDNet, HDNet Movies, etc...channels that have no SD equivalent.

joedekock

Sep 3, 2007

I will answer your cabling question from experience with finishing my basement as a theater room four years ago.

I new I was going to get HD, and have an off air antennae, but did not know I was going to have a HDDVR in the future. I also had an XBOX at the time that was connected to my home network, so I knew I was going to run a Cat5 line.

I did all the cabling myself. I used to be an electrician, so it was no big deal for me. In my situation, I had the Cat5 line, two RG6 lines (one for the antennae, and one for the Directv). And I also had speaker lines for my surround speakers.

My mistake was I did not run an extra RG6 line. So the other day when I had my HR20 (HDDVR) installed, I had to run another line, and now that it is all finished it is harder to run. I also ran another Cat5 line, since the HR20 is going to be networked in the near future. I do not have the XBOX anymore, so I had an available Cat5 for the HR20, but with home media becoming more and more dependent on the internet, I ran another one anyway.

So my advice is this. Hire a contractor to run the lines for you. You will probably pay $300-$400 for the labor plus the cost of parts, but it will look nice, and he can pull Cat5 and speaker lines if you want, whereas Directv will only pull the RG6 lines for their satellite. Plus as mentioned before, the independant contractor will do a nicer job.

Also, pull four RG6 Lines, and at least two Cat5 lines. As I have experienced, just two RG6 lines, and one Cat5 line is not enough. Always pull one more than you think you will need!

chazcbh

Sep 4, 2007

You have the walls open run everything you can think of plus run a peice of rope incase you need to pull another cable in the future. If you have open you should not need a contractor. You can buy cat5 cables with heads on them already and the DTV will put heads on the RG6 cable.

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SuperDish_Fan23

Last reply 14 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

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Strega

Yesterday at 2:34 PM

That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 7:02 PM

Strega said:
That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.

Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".

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Bobby

Yesterday at 8:30 PM

Almighty1 said:
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".

In my very early work life I installed and repaired those phones.

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AZ.

Yesterday at 9:10 PM

Almighty1 said:
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".

someone is showing their age

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 9:38 PM

AZ. said:
someone is showing their age

LOL. It depends if the person saw it during the years when they were actually still available which is 1968 to 1983 meaning the person could be 43-58 years old or they can even be a few years old if they learned to read and write at a young age and actually saw a telephone with that label somewhere recently just like even here in San Francisco, payphone still exist physically in public places but whether they can be used or not is a different issue. It still looks like this even today:

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:03 PM

I opened my Radio Shack in Sept 1984 and right about that time they did the whole deregulation thing with the phone companies. I bought TONS of those phones that had been refurbished with a new outer shell. You could throw one of those out of a 3 story high window and it would still work.
That was an interesting time in history. I would have older customers come in and ask about phones.....they were terrified that they were going to get into trouble hooking up a second phone without the phone company knowing about it. One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone. I guess younger folks can't conceive of a time when you were limited to the number of phones you could have in your house....and limited to the length of the cord

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llokey

Today at 6:51 AM

Bobby said:
In my very early work life I installed and repaired those phones.

And I kept them working through the ESS offices.

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Bobby

Today at 11:19 AM

llokey said:
And I kept them working through the ESS offices.

The two central offices in the area I worked were actually step by step offices.

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Almighty1

Today at 12:03 PM

dishstaller said:
I opened my Radio Shack in Sept 1984 and right about that time they did the whole deregulation thing with the phone companies. I bought TONS of those phones that had been refurbished with a new outer shell. You could throw one of those out of a 3 story high window and it would still work.
That was an interesting time in history. I would have older customers come in and ask about phones.....they were terrified that they were going to get into trouble hooking up a second phone without the phone company knowing about it. One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone. I guess younger folks can't conceive of a time when you were limited to the number of phones you could have in your house....and limited to the length of the cord

Speaking about cords, I actually did drop a Trimline phone from probably 3 feet high on the floor when I was about 10 or so and it caused a small crack, this was the one with the modular jacks and it was hooked up with I think a 50 ft or longer RJ11C cable from Radio Shack. I still use the phone today connected to a Obi VoIP adapter and the cord is my custom made 6 position RJ11C, not sure of the official name for it without looking it up and Belden MediaTwist Crescent shaped Cat6+ cable.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 1:39 PM

Almighty1 said:
LOL. It depends if the person saw it during the years when they were actually still available which is 1968 to 1983 meaning the person could be 43-58 years old or they can even be a few years old if they learned to read and write at a young age and actually saw a telephone with that label somewhere recently just like even here in San Francisco, payphone still exist physically in public places but whether they can be used or not is a different issue. It still looks like this even today:
View attachment 194957

so that persons in hiding lol :biggrin

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 1:41 PM

remembers when ATT had stores and leased home phones

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dishstaller

14 minutes ago

My Wife was recently in an antique store and saw a rotary desk phone and it had one of those sticker overlays that had a business listed with phone number under each number on the dial. She looked closer and it had my old Radio Shack listed under the 8...she bought it. Pretty cool keepsake. Back then I rented vhs movies as well so I had it listed as Radio Shack / Movie Gallery and then the phone number.

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Gary Toma

Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

Last reply 15 minutes ago · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum

DIRECTV Transponder Map ~ Data 10/21/2026

The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:

National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)

Additional tabs provide:

OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders

Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions

DIRECTV_TPN_Map_261021.xlsx 1,876 KB

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jamieh1

Yesterday at 8:24 PM

Now in the Hornets and Hurricanes markets we just get the TV promise screen. But Directv still charges sports fee I am assuming.
Luckily my DTV stream package doesn't have a rsn fee. Figure DTV that always says is the leader in sports would have come to an agreement by now.

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KyL416

Yesterday at 9:33 PM

jamieh1 said:
Now in the Hornets and Hurricanes markets we just get the TV promise screen. But Directv still charges sports fee I am assuming.

Greenville-New Bern is $11.99 for MASN (Orioles) and Nationals
Raleigh is $11.99 for MASN and Nationals
Charlotte is $12.99 for BravesVision, MASN, Nationals and Reds

The fee in NC also includes the higher in state rate they have to pay for ACCN. Down in SC the fee is $15.99 as they are also a SEC state.
I'm not sure if they're doing it with those teams, but in some markets they also use the fee to cover the additional cost they have to pay for independents and MyNet stations that picked up full season NHL and NBA rights.

If you go to the TVPromise site, you'll likely be able to get a credit for not getting the Hurricanes and additional Hornets games that air on WITN-D2

jamieh1 said:
Figure DTV that always says is the leader in sports would have come to an agreement by now.

Part of the hold out might be the packaging and price for outer areas like how the Thunder needs sports pack for other states. Hopefully they are also pushing for a guarantee from the teams that they would require whoever wins their local broadcasting rights in 2028 to negotiate with MVPDs. Commercial distribution rights are probably a factor too.

I'm guessing they got a deep discount for the Clippers based on how long it took them to officially announce ClipperVision and their KTLA simulcasts after they were basically handed a multi-year draft death penalty.

The Predators and Pistons channels are using feeds supplied by Scripps Sports

The Heat likely depends on whoever they sign for the Fort Myers DMA, as there's no point in paying a high price for the Heat just for that DMA when WPLG is streaming it for free on their app and website for viewers in the Miami DMA, and they already carry the West Palm Beach station.

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cp2k

Today at 10:02 AM

KyL416 said:
If you go to the TVPromise site, you'll likely be able to get a credit for not getting the Hurricanes and additional Hornets games that air on WITN-D2

I tried this with both the Hurricanes and Hornets since I'm in upstate SC, and wasn't offered any kind of credit by the site. It's not a huge deal to me as I can pick up WSOC/WAXN over the air at my location even though I'm outside the Charlotte market.

TheRatPatrol

Today at 12:39 PM

I thought the NBA TV contracts were short term as the NBA is trying to get all of the teams into in an all in one streaming app?

KyL416

15 minutes ago

649 GRZLLIES and 671 PACERS are now available.

The rest are still pointing to the TV Promise slate

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Bruce

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 34 minutes ago · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

How things have changed

I was reading this article

Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022

The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…

thehill.com

That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.

Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.

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Bruce

Sep 16, 2026

Some interesting information was in this article-

50M subs might be the 'floor' for US pay-TV

Fifty million-plus subs could serve as the 'floor' for US pay-TV by 2030, reckons MoffettNathanson.

www.lightreading.com

This first-

The total pay-TV sector (traditional service providers and virtual MVPDs) shed 885,000 subscribers in Q2 2026

So with the loss of 2.03 Million in the first quarter, already at 2.915 Million gone this year, two quarters left to report.

#2-

The segment ended Q2 with 61.51 million subs comprising 27.5 million cable video subs, 21.42 million vMVPD customers, 9.56 million satellite TV customers, and 3.01 million telco TV subs.

There are approximately 133.97 million households in the United States, according to recent YCharts US Households Data from mid-2026.

That means more than 72 Million households do not have a paid live TV service, about 54% of the total.

What is worse, 7 years ago, paid live TV had over 80% of the population subscribing ( about 100 Million), almost all were Cable/Satellite customers.

Today, only about 37 Million subscribe to Cable/Satellite, less than 28% of our population.

#3-

At one time, Satellite TV (Dish and DirecTV), had about 34 Million subscribers added together, now, 9.56 Million.

That is over a 70% loss for those who subscribe to Satellite TV.

For Cable TV, not as bad, since they have broadband to help against the losses ( bundles), but as more options appear ( 5G, fiber, starlink, etc), I expect a big increase in those leaving cable.

Also expect YTTV to really start gaining even more subscribers, for those who still wish to have a live TV service, based on price point and it is a really great service.

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Bruce

Yesterday at 9:22 AM

Looks like Optimum Communications ( formerly CableVision) is collapsing, due to it's high debt, lenders/creditors are taking over-

The End of Another Major Cable TV Provider? Struggling With Over $21 Billion in Debt As It Has Lost Over Half of All of Its TV Customers As Creditors Are About to Take Over | Cord Cutters News

Optimum Communications is approaching a debt restructuring agreement that would transfer control of the U.S. broadband and cable provider to a group of its primary lenders, according to people familiar with the discussions. The proposed transaction would also resolve ongoing litigation between...

cordcuttersnews.com

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Bruce

Today at 12:11 PM

Sony is discontinuing it's last 4K disc player, Panasonic has been rumored to be doing the same, the end of physical media is unfortunately, about to happen.

Bad News For Blu-ray Fans: Sony Has Stopped Making a Popular Player | Cord Cutters News

Sony has discontinued its final standalone UHD Blu-ray player, the UBP-X700/K, ending shipments of the device with no successor model announced. The move, first spotted by Japanese website Kunkoku.jp and confirmed through the status of the product on Sony’s own website, marks the company’s...

cordcuttersnews.com

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navychop

46 minutes ago

Got a Sony 700 at WM dot commie.

I think.

Ordered, anyway. Amazon let me go thru entire process but then said no inventory.

Hopefully,, WM will come thru.

dishstaller

34 minutes ago

Bruce said:
Sony is discontinuing it's last 4K disc player, Panasonic has been rumored to be doing the same, the end of physical media is unfortunately, about to happen.

Hate to hear that. If you don't physically have something in your hand, you don't really own it.

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dishstaller

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 57 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

You can't even trust the cost per ounce info in grocery stores anymore

I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.

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Juan

Yesterday at 11:17 AM

dishstaller said:
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...the product label only shows the weight of the product...I am sure if you brought your own plastic baggies to bring the product home you could get the cheaper price

dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:47 AM

Juan said:
When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...

Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.

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Juan

Yesterday at 1:38 PM

dishstaller said:
Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.

You are paying for the whole thing

telstar_1

Yesterday at 2:22 PM

Juan said:
You are paying for the whole thing

Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.

Juan

Yesterday at 3:07 PM

telstar_1 said:
Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.

But a box can weigh more than an ounce..maybe 2...a can might weigh 5 ounces..a bag...not much

dishstaller

Yesterday at 3:13 PM

Juan said:
.a bag...not much

Well, according to the price per ounce on that first bag of coffee he mentions, that would mean the bag weighed over 6 ounces. That bag does NOT weigh 6 ounces. According to Google, an empty bag weighs half an ounce.

Juan

Today at 7:13 AM

dishstaller said:
Well, according to the price per ounce on that first bag of coffee he mentions, that would mean the bag weighed over 6 ounces. That bag does NOT weigh 6 ounces. According to Google, an empty bag weighs half an ounce.

You need to weigh the actual bag...a deli bag weighs less than that but a thick coffee bag is gonna weigh around an ounce...an empty tin can has some weight

NYDutch

Today at 7:44 AM

Juan said:
You need to weigh the actual bag...a deli bag weighs less than that but a thick coffee bag is gonna weigh around an ounce...an empty tin can has some weight

Products sold by the ounce, pound, etc, should always be priced for the product only. Only the shipping weight should include the packaging.

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harshness

Today at 9:21 AM

NYDutch said:
Products sold by the ounce, pound, etc, should always be priced for the product only.

Unless the specific product or its packaging is known at the time of weighing, estimating the tare weight for a PoS system is a tall order.

I'm pretty sure that produce bags can't get any thinner.

You certainly don't want to put unbagged produce on a belt, scale, or in a clerk's hands (gloved or not).

Jimbo

Today at 9:27 AM

harshness said:
Unless the specific product or its packaging is known at the time of weighing, estimating the tare weight for a PoS system is a tall order.

I'm pretty sure that produce bags can't get any thinner.

You certainly don't want to put unbagged produce on a belt, scale, or in a clerk's hands (gloved or not).

I would think that all the packaging would already be accounted for ... they weigh the container, subtract that from the scale, then add the product , so its weighing the Product only

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dishstaller

Today at 10:09 AM

Juan said:
but a thick coffee bag is gonna weigh around an ounce...

Obviously you didn't read my post.....google says a coffee bag weighs half an ounce. But let's say you are correct and it DOES weigh a full ounce, that would still fall 5 ounces shy for Walmart's numbers to match.
You wouldn't happen to be kin to Bernie would you

Juan

Today at 1:31 PM

dishstaller said:
Obviously you didn't read my post.....google says a coffee bag weighs half an ounce. But let's say you are correct and it DOES weigh a full ounce, that would still fall 5 ounces shy for Walmart's numbers to match.
You wouldn't happen to be kin to Bernie would you

None of it means a hill of coffee beans...the price is the price...its not going to get any lower...as long as you pay the price on the shelf at the register..there is no crime

dishstaller

Today at 1:55 PM

Juan said:
None of it means a hill of coffee beans...the price is the price...its not going to get any lower...as long as you pay the price on the shelf at the register..there is no crime

I can't BELIEVE this is being such a difficult subject. The issue isn't the price....it's the advertised price per ounce. A lot of shoppers, myself included, use the price per ounce in determining which is the better value....with that number being inaccurate, it can trick someone into thinking that one product cost less per ounce than a competing product. Is this a crime?...above my pay grade. Is it dishonest? Yes.

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Juan

57 minutes ago

dishstaller said:
I can't BELIEVE this is being such a difficult subject. The issue isn't the price....it's the advertised price per ounce. A lot of shoppers, myself included, use the price per ounce in determining which is the better value....with that number being inaccurate, it can trick someone into thinking that one product cost less per ounce than a competing product. Is this a crime?...above my pay grade. Is it dishonest? Yes.

Again it makes no difference...call the ftc and file a complaint...maybe your lawyer can file a class action lawsuit and you can collect your 25 cents

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Bruce

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 2:24 PM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 3rd Quarter 2026 Edition

Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

Comcast Just Lost 274,000 TV Customers & 144,000 Internet Customers In Just Three Months | Cord Cutters News

Comcast Corporation reported its third-quarter 2026 results on October 22, showing continued erosion in its domestic residential broadband internet and video customer bases as competitive pressures intensified across the connectivity market. The company recorded a net loss of 144,000 domestic...

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dishstaller

Today at 10:18 AM

Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.

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savarese04

Today at 11:24 AM

dishstaller said:
Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.

people are moving to fiber, which is better up and down and also not Comcast.

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dishdude

Today at 2:02 PM

savarese04 said:
people are moving to fiber, which is better up and down and also not Comcast.

dishstaller said:
Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.

Cord cutting 2.0. Not just fiber, 5G is really taking a toll on the cable companies.

AZ.

Today at 2:24 PM

dishdude said:
Cord cutting 2.0. Not just fiber, 5G is really taking a toll on the cable companies.

I agree, for $35 it aint perfect but just as reliable as my cable was. And that was twice as much and still rising

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Country singer John Anderson died today

He was 71 yrs old. One of my favorite songs is Seminole Wind....the violin is killer.

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I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song. Rest in peace Mr Anderson.

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dishstaller

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mikew said:
I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song.

That's one of those songs that hits a little too close to home for me. I like the song but just can't listen to it. It's kinda like that song "Daddy never was the Cadillac kind".....reminds me too much of my Grandfather who died Feb 18, 1995.

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dfergie

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R.I.P. I thought he was older…

Mr Tony

Today at 1:32 PM

R.I.P.
Got a few songs on my 'setup' (old cell phone with music) that I can listen to while working

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RIP

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dfergie said:
R.I.P. I thought he was older…

Same here. I thought he was older......RIP

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